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NWR_Midnight Nov 25, 2020 02:26 PM

Wow a lot of people have their head in the sand about shipping issues and want to blame companies for it. Nearly every major retailer has been issuing warnings about long shipping delays for the last month or more, outside of the computer hardware scene. So why does anyone believe that it wouldn't effect computer hardware? Waiting to ship their products would only make matters worse, because they would be farther behind and delayed even worse.


You can't blame AMD, Nvidia, or any of them if they shipped out a Million cards and they are sitting on a dock somewhere, or even on a ship waiting to dock but have to quarantine for X days due to COVID.

LordHawk, just because planes are not carrying passengers doesn't remove the cost factor of air shipping vs shipping via water or rail.

Edit: Also, unlike when Nvidia launched the RTX 3000 series in September, AMD is dealing with Holiday shipping as November kicked off the Holiday shopping rush, which in itself during perfect conditions causes shipping problems around the world.

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247455)
Bill hardly any planes are carrying passengers due to the pandemic. Accept it's going to be dearer but what's the alternative. Today, really. This has made AMD and Frank Azor especially the laughing stock of the graphics world. A reference launch with a few hundred cards is bad but an AIB launch with none, zero, nada. How low can they go?

Here's a quote from Jay2C..

"There was a lot of expectation from folks saying AMD stock would be great once AIB stock launches. Retailer after retailer is now saying they got ZERO inventory for tomorrow embargo drop on custom cards. This is so much worse than expected. @AMD this was 100% botched. Even AMD fanboys have to admit, this was so much worse than NVIDIA launch in every single way. We needed AMD to deliver and unfortunately they showed us how a bad launch can get even worse."

Like him or not he speaks the truth. It's difficult to defend the indefensible.

so they still are not going to put mass cargo on planes

NV isn't doing any better but it is all AMD's fault :lol:

Mangler Nov 25, 2020 02:27 PM

Come on though, Europe got like <20 cards, if that is all that you can muster, you delay the launch.

People already know how the cards perform, there was no need to do this pretend-launch of AIB cards.

AllexxisF1 Nov 25, 2020 02:38 PM

I don't think their ever was a launch of a new ATi / AMD card that someone didn't get one here.

Pandemic is a bitch.

SIrPauly Nov 25, 2020 03:00 PM

It's in Amd's self interest to get as many 6800 derivatives out as possible in customers' hands. They're probably feverishly working as hard as possible to do this. The pandemic and the insatiable demand for innovative tech is challenging.

Trunks0 Nov 25, 2020 03:06 PM

Hardware Unboxed made a pretty good point during a recent video. This happens with every GPU launch on both sides. Where regular availability tends to be around the 2 month mark. Now you factor in the covid pandemic and manufacturing limits for this year and this all should have really been expected.

LordHawkwind Nov 25, 2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NWR_Midnight (Post 1338247456)
Wow a lot of people have their head in the sand about shipping issues and want to blame companies for it. Nearly every major retailer has been issuing warnings about long shipping delays for the last month or more, outside of the computer hardware scene. So why does anyone believe that it wouldn't effect computer hardware? Waiting to ship their products would only make matters worse, because they would be farther behind and delayed even worse.


You can't blame AMD, Nvidia, or any of them if they shipped out a Million cards and they are sitting on a dock somewhere, or even on a ship waiting to dock but have to quarantine for X days due to COVID.

LordHawk, just because planes are not carrying passengers doesn't remove the cost factor of air shipping vs shipping via water or rail.

Edit: Also, unlike when Nvidia launched the RTX 3000 series in September, AMD is dealing with Holiday shipping as November kicked off the Holiday shopping rush, which in itself during perfect conditions causes shipping problems around the world.

So how did 3 million consoles make it into customers hands..fairy dust maybe. Let's call it as it is. They.Have.No.Cards.to.Sell. Look at Scan and Overclockers in UK and a lot of European sites they are either de-listing the 6800's or just leaving them onsite with no information. Same goes for many sites in USA and Canada. There must be a lot of docks where these millions of cards are stuck :lol: And obviously only those ships with AMD cards onboard have been affected is that right? The sites are also saying they have no shipping DATES not delivery dates ergo they've not even put them on a ship yet.

Look why can't people just accept this is the most botched launch ever and stop trying to defend the indefensible. AMD need to come out and admit they botched it badly and apologise and try to rectify the situation as fast as they can. Sorted but if they keep on lying well that's their problem. At the end of the day the truth is they didn't have the capacity to supply all the consoles and also their own Zen 3 and 6800 GPU within the launch window they gave themselves. That's inexcusable incompetence for a major company IMHO.

Leprechaun Nov 25, 2020 03:39 PM

Wow! George R. R. Martin even had something to say about the AMD cards: "it's coming! It's coming!"

Trunks0 Nov 25, 2020 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247485)
Look why can't people just accept this is the most botched launch ever and stop trying to defend the indefensible. AMD need to come out and admit they botched it badly and apologise and try to rectify the situation as fast as they can. Sorted but if they keep on lying well that's their problem. At the end of the day the truth is they didn't have the capacity to supply all the consoles and also their own Zen 3 and 6800 GPU within the launch window they gave themselves. That's inexcusable incompetence for a major company IMHO.

Because it's not. We have had worse launches than this and given everything else happening... it also should not be surprising.

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 03:52 PM

hell less than a month after i bought my 1080 ti Strix they jumped from 779 to 1600 bucks and you couldn't buy a NV or AMD card for near a year at normal price but for lots of luck because of mining

and mining is back now it looks like :mad:

LordHawkwind Nov 25, 2020 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338247473)
Hardware Unboxed made a pretty good point during a recent video. This happens with every GPU launch on both sides. Where regular availability tends to be around the 2 month mark. Now you factor in the covid pandemic and manufacturing limits for this year and this all should have really been expected.

Trunks0 you're missing the point entirely. Frank Azore made a very public bet laughing at Nvidia's paper launch saying AMD would never do that and they would have more stock at launch of their reference cards. They didn't. He then said don't worry we've supplied 7x as many cards to the AIB's for launch on 25th. Don't forget AMD have spent a lot of marketing $ promoting not just the launch but also their own self declared declaration of being a major gaming brand in the PC market. "Power your gaming dreams with a 6800 RDNA2 graphics card from AMD" :lol:

And today there was even less stock and lots of retailers worldwide saying they aren't even bothering listing the cards as they don't have any confirmed shipping dates. If it looks like a turd, smells like a turd then it is a turd. You can polish it however you like but AMD's 6800 launch is a turd. Two months from now their market share will be <20%.

Trunks0 Nov 25, 2020 03:59 PM

*shrug* and? That's marketing. Is this a good launch? Nope. Should anyone be surprised? Nope. Is this the worst ever? Nope. We will see where things are couple months from now.

LordHawkwind Nov 25, 2020 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247493)
hell less than a month after i bought my 1080 ti Strix they jumped from 779 to 1600 bucks and you couldn't buy a NV or AMD card for near a year at normal price but for lots of luck because of mining

and mining is back now it looks like :mad:

Bill you bought a 1080ti. There are no 6800's for sale period. They are not out of stock retailers never actually received any stock at all ergo they do not exist in the retail channel. So where are all these mythical millions of GPU's NWR alludes to? Simple answer is they don't and never have existed. Vapour ware.

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247499)
Bill you bought a 1080ti. There are no 6800's for sale period. They are not out of stock retailers never actually received any stock at all ergo they do not exist in the retail channel. So where are all these mythical millions of GPU's NWR alludes to? Simple answer is they don't and never have existed. Vapour ware.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9Bmc7hnuc

Trunks0 Nov 25, 2020 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247499)
Bill you bought a 1080ti. There are no 6800's for sale period. They are not out of stock retailers never actually received any stock at all ergo they do not exist in the retail channel. So where are all these mythical millions of GPU's NWR alludes to? Simple answer is they don't and never have existed. Vapour ware.

That's just factually incorrect. Stock was low, they where available and they sold out. You can see people on other forums who got them, retail. It happened.

Maybe it's just I remember the larger context here over time. Probably further re-enforced by this being normal in Canada. Common for us to not get stuff at the same time as the US launches. Even before AMD bought ATi, a Canadian company don't forget, we didn't get stuff at the same time.

LordHawkwind Nov 25, 2020 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338247497)
*shrug* and? That's marketing. Is this a good launch? Nope. Should anyone be surprised? Nope. Is this the worst ever? Nope. We will see where things are couple months from now.

If M$ are saying they won't have supply meeting demand for xbox's until their April to June quarter it won't probably look much different. Same goes for Sony. They'll both want to sell another 4 to 6 million before then so where does that leave AMD Zen 3 and 6800? M$ and Sony is solid money in the bank. AMD is a public limited company run for the benefit of it's shareholders and it's sole aim is to maximise profit. Same for every PLC. M$ and Sony will also have hefty penalty clauses in their contracts if AMD don't hit the numbers so AMD feel it financially. Miss their console targets and pay a penalty or produce more Zen 3 and 6800. Not a tough choice really. If you sell your soul to the devil there is a price to pay eventually either in the short, medium or long term or worst still all three :lol:

Trunks0 Nov 25, 2020 04:25 PM

Yeah but it's not like nVidia has had a decent launch either. Where at what? Almost 3 months now for the 3000 series, and availability still sucks. It's the same set of problems. Not enough manufacturing space and getting stuff around right now is a nightmare.

Gandalfthewhite Nov 25, 2020 04:28 PM

you do understand that consoles started full ramp production in July/August and were stockpiling fully built units the entire time.

LordHawkwind Nov 25, 2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338247505)
That's just factually incorrect. Stock was low, they where available and they sold out. You can see people on other forums who got them, retail. It happened.

Maybe it's just I remember the larger context here over time. Probably further re-enforced by this being normal in Canada. Common for us to not get stuff at the same time as the US launches. Even before AMD bought ATi, a Canadian company don't forget, we didn't get stuff at the same time.

I'm talking UK that's where I live. Top five retailers have NO stock. Amazon UK NO stock. I'd love to know where people in the UK bought stock from.

To try and give some more context Scan UK received 14% of their PS5 pre orders on launch day. That means 86% of people who pre-ordered and paid up front for a PS5 in September did not receive their console. Scan currently has no shipping dates for those consoles and estimates it may be early 2021. OK in the global market Scan are miniscule but just imagine those numbers worldwide. Sony will be kicking down Lisa Su's doors demanding more consoles as per their contract so what do you think she'll do? Sorry Jim can't do that I need to sell some Radeon 6800's :lol: One of my favourite AC/DC songs is money talks google it it's a great track.

TBH only decent things I've been able to buy lately are AC/DC's new Power Up album and Iron Maiden's new live album Night's of the Dead :lol: Superb albums actually. Highly recommended if you're a metal fan.

LordHawkwind Nov 25, 2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite (Post 1338247511)
you do understand that consoles started full ramp production in July/August and were stockpiling fully built units the entire time.

I might have had too many Stellas tonight or your intellect is way above mine but I can't grasp your argument here. So you're saying AMD were providing SOC's to both M$ and Sony from July and they both offered pre-orders in September and two months later neither could fulfill their pre-orders and it's nothing do with AMD without whose SOC's the boxes are just..boxes. Am I missing something maybe a shortage of SSD's or cooling fans or boxes even. AMD didn't prioritise their own products so what's your point please.

Leprechaun Nov 25, 2020 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247519)
I'm talking UK that's where I live. Top five retailers have NO stock. Amazon UK NO stock. I'd love to know where people in the UK bought stock from.

To try and give some more context Scan UK received 14% of their PS5 pre orders on launch day. That means 86% of people who pre-ordered and paid up front for a PS5 in September did not receive their console. Scan currently has no shipping dates for those consoles and estimates it may be early 2021. OK in the global market Scan are miniscule but just imagine those numbers worldwide. Sony will be kicking down Lisa Su's doors demanding more consoles as per their contract so what do you think she'll do? Sorry Jim can't do that I need to sell some Radeon 6800's :lol: One of my favourite AC/DC songs is money talks google it it's a great track.

TBH only decent things I've been able to buy lately are AC/DC's new Power Up album and Iron Maiden's new live album Night's of the Dead :lol: Superb albums actually. Highly recommended if you're a metal fan.

Up the irons!!
You just described Canada as well. Overpriced 3090s are all you can find.

CyanBlues Nov 25, 2020 05:31 PM

wow AIB are priced so high

acroig Nov 25, 2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338247509)
Yeah but it's not like nVidia has had a decent launch either. Where at what? Almost 3 months now for the 3000 series, and availability still sucks. It's the same set of problems. Not enough manufacturing space and getting stuff around right now is a nightmare.

Two months and it does suck.

Flyordie Nov 25, 2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247453)
mass cargo does not go by plane .

one card shipped to a end customer sure

100's of cards not likely and would cost a ton more

Virgin Atlantic charges by the ton for freight. My EKWB order shipped by DHL and it used a Virgin Atlantic flight to get to the USA from the UK. They charge less if its uniform on a pallet also. I ordered 11PM Tuesday night CST and it got at my doorstep Thursday 4PM via DHL Express from Slovenia. They do ship mass freight. Its just expensive and looking like it may be the only option if the sea freight **** doesn't clear up.

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 06:03 PM

TSMC's top priorities were

#1 = iPhone 12

# 2 = the new game consoles

AMD's stuff was last on their list most likely Sony & M$ demanded it

Nascar24 Nov 25, 2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247457)
so they still are not going to put mass cargo on planes

NV isn't doing any better but it is all AMD's fault :lol:

Stop it Billy! It was ok to hammer Nvidia, but now that it is worse with AMD, well Ah shucks, here's an excuse for ya.:p

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338247543)
Stop it Billy! It was ok to hammer Nvidia, but now that it is worse with AMD, well Ah shucks, here's an excuse for ya.:p

you sure got a 5900x faster than your 3080 space heater

i could have got one the other day but passed till i know how SAM pans out if they support my 3800x i will pass till next time i think

NWR_Midnight Nov 25, 2020 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247485)
So how did 3 million consoles make it into customers hands..fairy dust maybe. Let's call it as it is. They.Have.No.Cards.to.Sell. Look at Scan and Overclockers in UK and a lot of European sites they are either de-listing the 6800's or just leaving them onsite with no information. Same goes for many sites in USA and Canada. There must be a lot of docks where these millions of cards are stuck :lol: And obviously only those ships with AMD cards onboard have been affected is that right? The sites are also saying they have no shipping DATES not delivery dates ergo they've not even put them on a ship yet.

Look why can't people just accept this is the most botched launch ever and stop trying to defend the indefensible. AMD need to come out and admit they botched it badly and apologise and try to rectify the situation as fast as they can. Sorted but if they keep on lying well that's their problem. At the end of the day the truth is they didn't have the capacity to supply all the consoles and also their own Zen 3 and 6800 GPU within the launch window they gave themselves. That's inexcusable incompetence for a major company IMHO.

3 million consoles made it into customers hands because they started production of 1 single product months before either Nvidia or AMD, announced the release date of 3 sperate products, not counting CPUs, 6 weeks before AMD even announced their product line. Which gave them roughly at least 6 weeks more to continually ship 1 single product to the various retailers. The math is't difficult.

Crawdaddy79 Nov 25, 2020 07:54 PM

Managing expectations is what AMD could have done to prevent the bad press and angry fans. Communicating with their customers. Their Twitter feed and website are barren of any information indicating anything is wrong or abnormal, and are geared to make you want to buy a product that is impossible to attain. I really expected better.

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338247554)
Managing expectations is what AMD could have done to prevent the bad press and angry fans. Communicating with their customers. Their Twitter feed and website are barren of any information indicating anything is wrong or abnormal, and are geared to make you want to buy a product that is impossible to attain. I really expected better.

just like NV :lol:

and it is working people want them more every day


neither will say something like "oh it will be around march 6 2021 buy the other guys card " :lol:

Crawdaddy79 Nov 25, 2020 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247556)
just like NV :lol:

AMD just like NV? That was basically the entire point of my post. Maybe you like that sort of thing, but I'm not into it.

bill dennison Nov 25, 2020 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338247557)
AMD just like NV? That was basically the entire point of my post. Maybe you like that sort of thing, but I'm not into it.

you think it's planed :lol:

it is the virus and everything is delayed .

i'm sure both want the cards in the stores ASAP


but NV has the better mining card this time so they will have even more problems no that bitcoin is close to 20k again :nuts:

pax Nov 25, 2020 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247426)
I've heard that Jensen and Lisa Su have pet Unicorns. Are you going to believe that one too :lol:

I was looking for that link but had to get to work:


https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/11...UdqLm6m01F64sA



Quote:

Frustrated about the lack of GeForce RTX 30 Series stock? Miners might deserve some of the blame. According to a report from Barron’s (via Bitcoin.com and Moore’s Law Is Dead), NVIDIA sold a substantial amount of its Ampere graphics cards to ether enthusiasts instead of gamers.

“For the quarter in review, Nvidia sold at least $175 million worth of new generation GPUs to ethereum miners, helping the outperformance,” Bitcoin.com reported based on a note from RBC Capital Markets analyst Mitch Steves. “The analyst had guided sales to miners to come in at $150 million for the quarter.”

“Steves noted that the upcoming network upgrade of the Ethereum blockchain, also known as Ethereum 2.0, which is scheduled to take place sometime in December, demands that miners switch over to more efficient mining hardware. Nvidia’s new Ampere GPU chips are thought to meet that need.”

And that shipping thingy:

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...-world-economy

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A flotilla of almost a dozen cargo vessels sits anchored just south of Los Angeles this weekend, waiting for berth space. Around the twin ports of L.A. and Long Beach, shipping containers are already stacked five and six high -- the maximum the fire department will allow.

“Anywhere you go, there are just containers everywhere,” said Weston LaBar, CEO of the Harbor Trucking Association, an industry group in Long Beach representing carriers who haul the steel boxes to and from the ports. “It’s maddening.”

The perfect storm is swamping the busiest gateway to the U.S. economy heading into the holiday season: Labor and equipment shortages are colliding with the still-healthy purchasing power of American consumers -- all complicated by a worsening pandemic that’s making workers and employers extra-tentative. Truckers are struggling to keep up with the wave of record imports.

“Try to pour 10 gallons of water into a five-gallon bucket,” LaBar said, “and you’re going to have a hard time.”

pax Nov 25, 2020 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyordie (Post 1338247538)
Virgin Atlantic charges by the ton for freight. My EKWB order shipped by DHL and it used a Virgin Atlantic flight to get to the USA from the UK. They charge less if its uniform on a pallet also. I ordered 11PM Tuesday night CST and it got at my doorstep Thursday 4PM via DHL Express from Slovenia. They do ship mass freight. Its just expensive and looking like it may be the only option if the sea freight **** doesn't clear up.

If air freight sees the sea freight clog up you can bet their rates will rise quickly. Shipping costs is very flexible in that industry.

badsykes Nov 26, 2020 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247560)
you think it's planed :lol:

it is the virus and everything is delayed .

i'm sure both want the cards in the stores ASAP


but NV has the better mining card this time so they will have even more problems no that bitcoin is close to 20k again :nuts:




I do feel they may have moved the launch date of the cards in 2021...I don't that people stay home and there's demand but the companies can't meet the demand because the nature of the circumstances..Kinda futile launch if you ask me unless .... (fill in conspiracy theories)

Riptide Nov 26, 2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247560)
but NV has the better mining card this time so they will have even more problems no that bitcoin is close to 20k again :nuts:

It's on a sell-off this morning down 10% already. But if anything the last several years should teach us, it's that once it goes down it will eventually come back up again. And when it does, it will come back up fast, just like when it goes down it goes down fast.

I'm starting to think, if it hits under 10K again, I might just have to throw some money into it and stop worrying about it being "down for good" no matter how risky it seems.

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Originally Posted by badsykes (Post 1338247594)
I do feel they may have moved the launch date of the cards in 2021...

I think it would've been best at this point to have just waited and built up stock, work on drivers in the mean time, etc.. It seems there just isn't enough fab capacity to go around, and we're in the middle of a sort of perfect storm here with lots of factors causing problems in the supply chain above and beyond limited capacity. Since the GPUs seem to be taking a back seat, logically they are the ones who should've waited to be launched.

KAC Nov 26, 2020 09:40 AM

Been following some streams and the AIB availability has been as bad as the original 6800 series launch and far worse than anything nVidia did. Meanwhile people scoring 3080s like it is no body’s business.

bill dennison Nov 26, 2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338247615)
Been following some streams and the AIB availability has been as bad as the original 6800 series launch and far worse than anything nVidia did. Meanwhile people scoring 3080s like it is no body’s business.

BS

ebay prices are the same if NV had more stock out there prices on ebay will drop fast

unless these people are dumb shits buying from scalpers
or the very few from EVGA emails

Leprechaun Nov 26, 2020 12:54 PM

Overpriced 3090 are as abundant as sand here.
3070 you could scrounge one up if you really wanted to.
3080 impossible to get. Backorder list so long they're still on launch day fulfillment.

AMDs cards are absolutely not to be seen. Not even 1.

Riptide Nov 26, 2020 01:12 PM

Well guys my amazon bot picked me up a gigabyte 6800xt reference card. Supposed to arrive wed. dec 16th.

The seller is 'Amazon.com Services LLC'.
The price? $799

Looks like amazon be joining up with scalpers my bois.

I am trying to get a price match/reduction, but they are fighting it since the newegg listing is not on their site. They only want to match prices that are on their website.


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