Then mini LED vs QD OLED monitors
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Isn't the problem that the desktop monitor market is so "small" compared to the TV/Smartphone/tablet/laptop market that all we get is the leftover scraps from those?
I've been working 12hr shifts and busy as all hell, but something I've been struggling with is HDR use on the desktop.
It's terrible. R3D Midnight theme is a perfect example of how bad the blooming is. Super distracting, looks awful, and I can't get it to stop. You can mess with the Local Dimming all you want, but that doesn't fix it. I sort of "helped" it by reducing contrast a bit, but unless you run "Contrast Enhancer" ON (basically Dynamic Contrast), you will struggle to tame the blooming. I found that going to the darkest gamma setting and trying to work it that way helped a bit, but it's still there.
The monitor looks best in SDR, at least for desktop. Everything looks great, no issues. Deep blacks (actually extremely impressive how deep the blacks are for not being individually lit pixels like an OLED), but jesus, why boast so much about HDR when it looks like garbage?
I did like Diablo 2 Resurrected in HDR - throwing lightning bolts would really show just how bright the monitor could get, but the high points of HDR are few and far between. Gimmick.
It's terrible. R3D Midnight theme is a perfect example of how bad the blooming is. Super distracting, looks awful, and I can't get it to stop. You can mess with the Local Dimming all you want, but that doesn't fix it. I sort of "helped" it by reducing contrast a bit, but unless you run "Contrast Enhancer" ON (basically Dynamic Contrast), you will struggle to tame the blooming. I found that going to the darkest gamma setting and trying to work it that way helped a bit, but it's still there.
The monitor looks best in SDR, at least for desktop. Everything looks great, no issues. Deep blacks (actually extremely impressive how deep the blacks are for not being individually lit pixels like an OLED), but jesus, why boast so much about HDR when it looks like garbage?
I did like Diablo 2 Resurrected in HDR - throwing lightning bolts would really show just how bright the monitor could get, but the high points of HDR are few and far between. Gimmick.
Yet to get HDR look any good using PC. Even on my OLED there was always something off in same games compared to my consoles. So I just leave it off.
If SDR is really as impressive as people are saying, it might be time for that upgrade I have been waiting for. Maybe when new cards are out.
If SDR is really as impressive as people are saying, it might be time for that upgrade I have been waiting for. Maybe when new cards are out.
HDR seems to work decently in certain games - D2R is a good example as I mentioned, and SW Jedi: Fallen Order as well. Desktop use just sucks.. badly.
I'm hoping to get an hour or two of gaming in before I leave for another mission, but I'm not blown away by the monitor; I kind of expected that coming from something as amazing as the OLED. Couple bullet points..
A) I don't have to worry about burn-in anymore. Even though I think the issue is over-blown, you should try your best to avoid doing X/Y/Z that could make it worse. I found myself doing that pretty often, and worrying about it.
B) Size .. 48" seemed fun until I realized how awful it was playing an FPS.
C) OLED ABL - Kind of unavoidable unless you want to buy the LG Service Remote, disable ABL all together, and then murder the lifespan of the individual pixels.
D) LG Screen Dimming (inactivity) - this was actually a huge issue for me with D2R. LG has the screens set (to combat burn-in) to dim if the screen does not detect a scene change. Well.. playing D2R, a lot of the scenes are dark. The CX48 would end up dimming to 10% brightness or something like that, as if I wasn't actively using the screen, and I'd have to either open the main menu or alt-tab real quick to make the screen sense a scene change. That was probably my biggest gripe.
E) While HDR also looked terrible on the OLED (for PC use - movies it's still amazing), I will say the OLED has zero bloom, and the bloom is so poor on these screens utilizing local dimming, that I think HDR is better on the OLED.
Overall the monitor does what I bought it for. I also bought a monitor arm as the stand was kind of shaky. I think CurrentlyPissed mentioned the same issue - if I swiped my mouse hard to spin around or something, the monitor would shake .. lol.
Bought a monitor arm, and it works pretty nice. Still trying to get it lined up how I want, but it's nice.
I'm hoping to get an hour or two of gaming in before I leave for another mission, but I'm not blown away by the monitor; I kind of expected that coming from something as amazing as the OLED. Couple bullet points..
A) I don't have to worry about burn-in anymore. Even though I think the issue is over-blown, you should try your best to avoid doing X/Y/Z that could make it worse. I found myself doing that pretty often, and worrying about it.
B) Size .. 48" seemed fun until I realized how awful it was playing an FPS.
C) OLED ABL - Kind of unavoidable unless you want to buy the LG Service Remote, disable ABL all together, and then murder the lifespan of the individual pixels.
D) LG Screen Dimming (inactivity) - this was actually a huge issue for me with D2R. LG has the screens set (to combat burn-in) to dim if the screen does not detect a scene change. Well.. playing D2R, a lot of the scenes are dark. The CX48 would end up dimming to 10% brightness or something like that, as if I wasn't actively using the screen, and I'd have to either open the main menu or alt-tab real quick to make the screen sense a scene change. That was probably my biggest gripe.
E) While HDR also looked terrible on the OLED (for PC use - movies it's still amazing), I will say the OLED has zero bloom, and the bloom is so poor on these screens utilizing local dimming, that I think HDR is better on the OLED.
Overall the monitor does what I bought it for. I also bought a monitor arm as the stand was kind of shaky. I think CurrentlyPissed mentioned the same issue - if I swiped my mouse hard to spin around or something, the monitor would shake .. lol.
Bought a monitor arm, and it works pretty nice. Still trying to get it lined up how I want, but it's nice.
Cool. Given my 32 inch G7 is a daily driver I don't think I lose anything from going to the 32 inch G7 NEO. Only issue I have is FPS drops under 144 in FPS games. It is going to kill me so I will wait for new cards that hopefully can do the usual COD/BF games above 144 FPS at 4K and I am golden.
Played some game on dat NEO G7, it's pretty good, not that far from an OLED in many cases, but I kind of wish it was a glossy display, you lose so much "POP" from the AG coating.
And going from 48" to 32" certainly takes some times to get used to, I feel like I'm back to using a 22" or 24" monitor again.
And going from 48" to 32" certainly takes some times to get used to, I feel like I'm back to using a 22" or 24" monitor again.
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Which 48" did you come from? Given you tried both 48" and 32", what would you think of 42"? Still too large?
Been using a wireless keyboard and mouse on 55" C2 and it has its pros and cons. Obviously at that size it's not a replacement for monitor, just a secondary display. Was toying with the idea of 42" as monitor as well but if it's not an evo panel I'm not so sure I want to. The 55" evo is only just bright enough for my liking, 120hz is a downer too.
How do you find motion clarity on the G7 neo compared to OLED? And how do you find the curve?
Been using a wireless keyboard and mouse on 55" C2 and it has its pros and cons. Obviously at that size it's not a replacement for monitor, just a secondary display. Was toying with the idea of 42" as monitor as well but if it's not an evo panel I'm not so sure I want to. The 55" evo is only just bright enough for my liking, 120hz is a downer too.
How do you find motion clarity on the G7 neo compared to OLED? And how do you find the curve?
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Hrmm HWU just released a video on the subject today. Given the pros and cons of each, I agree with Tim and am leaning towards the AW QD-OLED for desktop, C2 as secondary. G7 Neo gets an honorable mention too, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPEdr2U-rQ
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Yeh exactly. 32" 4k OLED 144hz+ Flat.
Would honestly prefer a gsync module too. VRR on this C2 isn't as good as gsync module on my AW. It's much like VRR on my previous LG ultra gear monitor, with all of its niggles.
Windows HDR is a PITA, there's no setting that looks right across the board. I have to change profiles from desktop, to games, to video. Some games look amazing, others just don't look right. It's very hit and miss - something I was hoping would be improved by moving to the C2, but it's pretty much the same strike rate.
Would honestly prefer a gsync module too. VRR on this C2 isn't as good as gsync module on my AW. It's much like VRR on my previous LG ultra gear monitor, with all of its niggles.
Windows HDR is a PITA, there's no setting that looks right across the board. I have to change profiles from desktop, to games, to video. Some games look amazing, others just don't look right. It's very hit and miss - something I was hoping would be improved by moving to the C2, but it's pretty much the same strike rate.
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It's not bad and gets the job done but both the C2 and a previous LG Ultra Gear I had have minor niggles in the form of:
A couple games were a bit jittery and had to be switched to windowed mode for it to engage properly.
When moving the mouse fast in a couple fps titles, the refresh rate and fps were briefly not in sync and I could feel it momentarily, before it sync'd again. Was annoying when trying to aim quickly.
Although rare, I've seen a flicker here and there (gamma?), usually in conjunction with what I described above.
When moving outside of VRR range it's far more noticeable (LFC).
Variable overdrive isn't a problem on the OLED, but was with the Ultra Gear.
It just isn't as refined as a dedicated Gsync module, but is perfectly serviceable. I'm sure you've never noticed any of these issues..
A couple games were a bit jittery and had to be switched to windowed mode for it to engage properly.
When moving the mouse fast in a couple fps titles, the refresh rate and fps were briefly not in sync and I could feel it momentarily, before it sync'd again. Was annoying when trying to aim quickly.
Although rare, I've seen a flicker here and there (gamma?), usually in conjunction with what I described above.
When moving outside of VRR range it's far more noticeable (LFC).
Variable overdrive isn't a problem on the OLED, but was with the Ultra Gear.
It just isn't as refined as a dedicated Gsync module, but is perfectly serviceable. I'm sure you've never noticed any of these issues..