Radeon RX 9070/XT (RDNA4)

I actually do wonder why they pulled the January launch. At the time a lot of people thought AMD was scared by what Nvidia was bringing to the table, but at this point I do wonder whether it was that they were surprised by how little improvement RTX 5000 series had over 4000 series.

It's hard to imagine AMD expecting that the 5070 Ti wouldn't even beat a 4080, let alone a 4080 Super (granted the Super is only like 3-5% faster). That's one reason why I almost wonder if the 9070XT can't match the 5080, because wouldn't the 5080 be the minimum of what you'd expect a 70 Ti class product to hit? You only need about a 35% boost over the 4070 Ti Super to get there, which would be well within normal for a generational improvement.
 
600$ is decent from the perf we've already seen. And even better from a street price point of vue.
 
Not sure how to feel about this knowing actual prices where I live will probably not be anywhere near 600$ (just guessing: 800). Nice presentation though.
 
These things will fly off the shelves if the EU price isn't fucked up.

The people want more affordable cards, the battlemage launch proved that.
 

Sapphire put an 12vhpwr connector on on of their cards, but I guess that is fine as the 4080s did not really have any melting issues.
 
I'm really not a big fan of these articles as I feel like they are just marketing being regurgitated, and aren't really deep dives at all... but if you don't want to watch the AMD presentation... this is more or less the same information.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 Series Technical Deep Dive

AMD's next-generation of GPUs is launching very soon. We have all the details on the architecture and the new models. Our preview article also talks about new new FSR 4 upscaling algorithm, AMD's new naming scheme, Radeon Software and the improvements for HYPR-RX.
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I liked this part of the deep dive lol:

The RDNA 4 graphics architecture is designed for one thing only—to give AMD the ability to wage serious price wars against NVIDIA. The RX 9070 XT is coming in at $600, and the RX 9070 at $550. Should there be a price-war with the RTX 5070 series, we can expect AMD to drag prices all the way down to below $350. We attribute this to the fact that the Navi 48 silicon is a lean monolithic chip, it's paired with older-generation GDDR6 memory that is cheap, and the two SKUs have 220 W to 300 W board power values that can be reached with fairly simple VRM configurations.
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350$ is probably a fantasy but we could use a little price war for once. And 600$+USD is probably gonna be close to 1000 canuckistonian pesos.
 
The thing is, they said that before with the 7000 series, that by using multiple dies and offloading some portion to older and cheaper process nodes that they would have more ability to lower pricing. I don't know, I guess you can argue that maybe they did, seeing as they always sold their cards for 20-30% below the equivalent Nvidia card. Unfortunately, people still bought Nvidia cards even with that discount and their market share went to 10%. I suppose the cost of the packaging may have also offset some of the expected savings.

I think AMD likely could win a price war against Nvidia, simply because AMD's bread and butter is CPUs--granted that may partially be because they absolutely botched GPUs since the ATi acquisition. And also I don't think Nvidia is willing to accept anything besides sky high margins on their cards, especially right now when they can make so much selling them to datacenter/AI. I don't think Nvidia would care enough to respond aggressively if they went to 80% market share, or maybe even 70%.

I'm just not convinced that AMD actually wants to aggressively compete with Nvidia, to the point of engaging in a price war.
 
I think AMD has just run the numbers and determined that of the customers that will consider AMD based on price, they already have them. Dropping the price further doesn't buy them enough more customers to offset the price drop.

What needs to happen is that AMD has to pull neck-and-neck with nVidia on a speed/feature set basis to open up their potential customer base higher on the enthusiast ranking. Once that happens, nVidia will get nervous and keep their prices lower, prompting AMD to go lower yet to lure away the fanboys. profit margins will tank because the silicon is getting expensive. Bad for manufacturers. Good for consumers.

But as long as nvidia has a market of people willing to buy sight unseen, AMD can only do so much. AMD needs to catch up in features/speed. If they could actually produce a useful feature that's exclusive, that would be a gamechanger.
 
It's interesting with their APUs. Strix Halo is kinda ridiculous now, at the point of me thinking this just might be good enough for a new desktop like the Framework. Very attractive for AI experiments due to shared RAM pool, and nicely sidesteps GPU memory limits if enough onboard RAM. Expensive though...
 
NIGELG said:
Is it worth upgrading from a 3070 to the 907XT? What gains would that get me at 1440 p?
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They says it sits between a 7900xt and 7900xtx so that should give you an idea. Faster RT perf and 6x the AI tops than the 7000's tho. Im sure itll be game and resolution specific. More perf at 4k than 1440p. To me it seems at 4k its a good uplift over the 7800xt, maybe 50-60%. The big key for me is if performance upscaling will be as good as DLSS4. That one thing could give the 9070's long legs when it comes to perf and durability.

TPU has a good resource to compare gpus perf:

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1725 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit
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The AMD fan base will buy it first couple months but after that sales should come from reviews and word of mouth to the buy both sides crowd. At that point I think it should drop a bit in price depending on competition and tariffs. But if its about same price as a vanilla 5070 its an easy buy for me over the nvidia part. I dont see any compelling features for nvidia both sides seem almost feature complete at this point so its all down to perf at a given price.
 
I gotta be honest... I'm kinda glad nVidia absolutely face planted. This gen is going to really help ground performance levels out. The high-end basically doesn't exist. Why? the availability is vapour, ultra expensive and only 1 side did it at all.

Cheers to having a some what decent mid-tier and some real competition in it :)
 
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Whoopsie....little early... YouTube channel Tech YES City, accidentally leaked some performance by mistake...

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Whoopsie....little early... YouTube channel Tech YES City, accidentally leaked some performance by mistake...

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So, actually better than Nvidia, and not far off of the ti version? AMD should do OK this round. As I am pretty happy with my 4080 performance seems like a solid card if they can get some of their rendering/scaling issues improved
 

FSR4 seems to be pretty good, at the settings they used in the video, it does some things better than the dlss cnn model.
 
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Niche, but this is one of the few reviews that took a peak at VR performance.
 
Saw a price list and the 600$ msrp is limited to only a few skus but I got the Asus Tuff 7800xt at msrp... this time they want 150$ extra asus tax. Ill see if I can snag a Pulse or XFX swift at msrp but 600 usd is ~860 cad plus 15% tax... almost 1000 great white north shingles.
 
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