looks like Elon might have some competition? Rivian EV Pickup and SUV
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Sasquach
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I heard cold weather performance is also an issue with a solid state battery.
Might be awhile before we actually see any.
Right now everyone is predominately using heavyass lithium ion, and Toyota seems content with also utilizing Nickel-Metal-Hydride. (might be to their advantage with everyone in the EV space using Lithium Ion, that might end up with a component shortage)
The truck seems to be very positive to reviewers.
Im concerned that all these super EV's are super expensive....there doesnt appear to be anything worthwhile in between a compact/subcompact EV that is only useful in the city and these ultra fast lux class EV's that costs the quivalent to a porsche......as a starting point.....
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pax
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The improvement in nickel metal hydrid Toyota has done here seems worth it to me. I dont know if it would stay only in mild hybrids and not be enough to warrant a plug in version (maybe an aftermarket kit for that tho?) but Im kind of aiming for that in the next suv at this point as standard lithium batts and their tendency to burn the car to the ground in accidents has me off that model range. And thats after having the electrician install the 50 amp plug...
One election rumor was that mild hybrids might get a rebate along with the 10k big rebate for 18 kwh or higher batt capacity vehicles that are all typically lithium. A 5k rebate on a hybrid/nickel metal model might swing me.
I think the model 3 is a great city driving car. You can get the model 3 long range AWD and purchase 2k performance boost for it that'll basically turn it into a Model 3 Performance.
If you got the money the 1020hp Model S Plaid currently destroys every single ICE car on the road. A 9.2 second, 152 mph trapping family sedan....and I thought my modded Charger Hellcat was fast.
A cheaper Model S Long Range costs much less and still runs 10's and traps almost 130mph.
A model 3 LR with boost or model 3 performance will beat higher hp ICE cars from stoplight to stoplight.
All these cars perform well in high heat/ high humidity conditions that normally kills power in ICE cars. The new battery refreshes also don't have the same drawbacks as the older model batteries.
Hate to say it but EV's are the future. I was thinking about getting an M3 xdrive or a used M5 Competition for my next performance sedan, but damn these cars are hot garbage compared to the Plaid and even the newly refreshed Model S Long Range. Seriously thinking about picking up one of these soon.
If you got the money the 1020hp Model S Plaid currently destroys every single ICE car on the road. A 9.2 second, 152 mph trapping family sedan....and I thought my modded Charger Hellcat was fast.
A cheaper Model S Long Range costs much less and still runs 10's and traps almost 130mph.
A model 3 LR with boost or model 3 performance will beat higher hp ICE cars from stoplight to stoplight.
All these cars perform well in high heat/ high humidity conditions that normally kills power in ICE cars. The new battery refreshes also don't have the same drawbacks as the older model batteries.
Hate to say it but EV's are the future. I was thinking about getting an M3 xdrive or a used M5 Competition for my next performance sedan, but damn these cars are hot garbage compared to the Plaid and even the newly refreshed Model S Long Range. Seriously thinking about picking up one of these soon.
Elysian
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The problem with the Plaid is the stupid yoke. Terrible design for any performance driving. Frankly, I could see that being recalled and replaced because it's that stupid.
Greasy
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Yeah, that's a serious safety issue IMO. Stupid ideal to do that on their part.
Clockwork
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Kind of.
M3LR w/ accel boost 0-60 in 3.7 seconds
M3P 0-60 in 3.1 seconds + better brakes + lower suspension + track mode + better wheels/tires + carbon fiber spoiler
M3P is even cheaper and has the same 0-60. Quarter mile is slower at 11.5 seconds, but will do it consistently.
I would argue that even a M3LR without boost (4.2s 0-60) will beat a fair amount of ICE vehicles known for being "fast" stoplight to stoplight. The reason I say this is more about consistency than anything else.
Those things are really good, but I have to be honest and say that so far my personal experience with Tesla is not good. Not good at all.
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After the 0-60 the Model 3 LR with boost is actually slightly faster than a Model 3 Performance. It traps consistently higher and can pull ahead, if not remain dead even, a model 3 performance from a roll. So even with the faster 3.1 0-60 the Model 3 Long Range often runs the same time as a M3P. This has angered some M3P owners as you can read on the Tesla forums, mainly because LR owners gets this boost upgrade and there's no similar boost plus option for M3P owners. Though it should be said the majority of this difference is due to the heavier wheels the M3P comes with. If you put the 18 aero wheels from a LR onto a M3P, it will run a faster time. But if you do that, might as well get a Long Range with boost in the first place and save yourself 10-14k? Especially since you would need to buy those LR wheels and spacers to make them fit.
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As far as the track related upgrades for the Model 3 Performance, that's beneficial only if you actually go to the track. On the city it's a wasted 10k upgrade.
That 11.5 is only with smaller wheels, otherwise a Model 3 performance is a consistent 11.8 car. Believe me I've done and continuing to do my homework, because I'm so close to buying a new sedan and these are options.
Compared to the Model S Long Range, its cheaper but considerably slower. A Model S Long Range run's 10's all day and traps 129/130, significantly faster than a M3P. It's basically an upgraded 2020 Raven with the new refreshed electric motors (same as the plaid without the carbon sleeve) and software limited 0-60. With the new Model S electric motors, power output is maintained at all speeds unlike 2020 and prior electric motors, which allows these cars to trap significantly higher. In 2020 and prior the Model S weakness was always it's top end, it would run a quick quarter mile but trap low. Now the top end is it's strength with the refreshed electric models.
If you ask me, what Tesla needs is something to fill the gap between a 52k car and the 89k car, like a Model 3 Performance with some upgrade to run low 11's with a 120+ trap speed. Or do a software update to improve 0-60 on the Model S Long range (Tesla already raised the price on the Long Range to reflect the updated 2021 performance vs 2020, should throw new buyers a bone) and make a Model 3 with Ludicrous mode that fills the gap.
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Maybe regular ICE vehicles. But not the cars (like mine) that drives around with street drag radials or other performance AWD cars like a tuned RS3 that can already do 3.x 0-60 on the street. A LR without boost is going to have that slower 0-60 and no "breath" after the initial instant torque thrust. But a LR with boost you get the improved 0-60 and the improved top end and it's always consistent like you said. And it's only a 2k upgrade, which is just a software update (no hardware needed), so it's a very good proposition for those that want a faster straight line Model 3 without having to pay extra for the Performance model.
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I think the yoke steering wheel just takes a bit of getting used to. I'm sure there will be, if not already, aftermarket replacements.
Elysian
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Have you seen any review videos where people actually try to drive it around a track? There's no getting used to not having a full steering wheel, it is absolutely essential for taking any kind of spirited turn.
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Sasquach
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EV's are the future, but being stupidly fast is not a selling point to me.
There's a ton of cars out there that are stupidly fast but that peak (hell even the potential) never gets utilized/realized in 99% of real world situations.
Range isnt so much an issue for me now but the infrastructure is, and where i live it barely exists.
I dont want to "plan around the car" to get anywhere.
There's a ton of cars out there that are stupidly fast but that peak (hell even the potential) never gets utilized/realized in 99% of real world situations.
Range isnt so much an issue for me now but the infrastructure is, and where i live it barely exists.
I dont want to "plan around the car" to get anywhere.
It's the simplicity of battery+motor that wins. The onus was on the battery. If expensive and heavy, it loses. If cheap and light, it wins. Sprinkle in some resilience (repeated charging with little degradation) and combustion engines only exist because of a more established infrastructure.
I think all the EV makers should follow Ford and make a reversible charger option to those that want it so your EV could be your whole house UPS. This way if you know you're in one of those neighborhoods that always get brought up last in an outage can go to a super charger in the next neighborhood over with power and at least bring back power for lights, etc. The setup should be simpler than a fuel generator which has the same electricals but no need to worry about exhaust fumes. Really grinds me how often our neighborhood would be in the dark but the strip mall just outside on the main highway is all lit up.
Silent-Runner
Noli timere messorem
i'm still not sure about that. They have their pros, but seriously, they have more cons than pros (right now).
clerick
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I think the transition to EV long term is good, but we really need more nuclear power station to generate said electricity. If we're just relying on coal/gas, then it's the same level of polution. Green energy (sun/waves/wind) just isn't there for mass demand, and UK right now is suffering heavily for attempted reliance on it. Also we need solid state batteries to become something that is manufactured en masse to truly outdo the gas engine range.