Automakers colluding to hinder clean emission efforts

[bill dennison]

Awesome Bill. Besides being a vehicle the idea of it also being a whole house UPS is appealing seeing how the electric grid in my part of country isn't the best. If you get an electric plan like free nights and weekends and only charge up at night it might be worth the extra you pay during the day (pretty sure they don't let you have this kinda plan if you have solar).

APS here doesn't have that it's cheaper if i don't use 3 pm to 8 pm but not free

and yes that to goes away with solar here


looking at something like this to start that i can add more cells to later


https://sunwatts.com/11kw-solar-kit-canadian-440-xl-enphase-micro-inverter/

 

[Nunz]

Free nights and weekends? The **** is that?? I wish we had something even remotely close to that.

PSE&G just ****s me at all hours of the day. They are relentless.

 

[dodger]

Free nights and weekends? The **** is that?? I wish we had something even remotely close to that.

PSE&G just ****s me at all hours of the day. They are relentless.

Sorry I just noticed they changed that to Free nights and Solar Days

https://www.txu.com/en/residential/plans/free-nights-solar-days.aspx

There are other plans where it's just free on weekends but not nights, seems like free on both are gone now. Either way they make up for it by charging you higher during the day. If you have things like Tesla Powerwalls or that F-150 Lightning with the appropriate charger you could easier game the system instead of resorting to turning off the A/C totally during the day.

 

[bill dennison]

Sorry I just noticed they changed that to Free nights and Solar Days

https://www.txu.com/en/residential/plans/free-nights-solar-days.aspx

There are other plans where it's just free on weekends but not nights, seems like free on both are gone now. Either way they make up for it by charging you higher during the day. If you have things like Tesla Powerwalls or that F-150 Lightning with the appropriate charger you could easier game the system instead of resorting to turning off the A/C totally during the day.

needs the longer extended-range battery one for about 10k more than the base 40k with the 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro bi-directional charger and then you need the house wired for it for more cost

and i don't think my 150 amp circuit breaker box will do so more cost, base truck needs a 48 amp Charge Station

 

[Silent-Runner]

something that strangely most people completely blending out is the main problem with EVs which is the infrastructure. Even IF we had enough charging-stations all over the country/world, we don't have the infrastucture to power them all. Not even near, we're far far away from that. As long as we don't have the infrastructure, the EVs will stay a niche product for the few people who can afford them. Don't get me started about stuff like the range and other problems.

And yes, the climate change is happening, if you're really not able to see the changes then i dunno what to say. We desperately need to change the use of gasoline/oil, the only question is which alternative would be the best, may it be electric or hydrogen or whatever.

 

[Sasquach]

something that strangely most people completely blending out is the main problem with EVs which is the infrastructure. Even IF we had enough charging-stations all over the country/world, we don't have the infrastucture to power them all. Not even near, we're far far away from that. As long as we don't have the infrastructure, the EVs will stay a niche product for the few people who can afford them. Don't get me started about stuff like the range and other problems.

And yes, the climate change is happening, if you're really not able to see the changes then i dunno what to say. We desperately need to change the use of gasoline/oil, the only question is which alternative would be the best, may it be electric or hydrogen or whatever.

Thats my biggest problem with EVs. That and theres nothing remotely interesting in EV land other than what amounts to "EV version of such and such car but looks wierd" or "60k Tesla that feels like a 30k car"

It just seems like no one wants to really "solve" the issue, they just say "do this and that and BAM we are emissions free"....which is fine except it doesnt include everything that goes with it.

Quite frankly (at least where im at) i dont see the infrastructure improving at a fast enough pace to make EV's viable so that i dont have to plan my trips around the limitations of the car........

 

[Nunz]

I'm not sure if this is what's being insinuated, but just to clarify; I am not a climate change denier in any sense of the word, and I completely agree that we need to be conscious of our CO2 emission as well as the environmental impacts of our technology. However, I am not hasty to jump into a "new" technology like massive batteries that require tons of Lithium mining that is turning out to be just as destructive as what we are replacing.

That's why I believe the best thing we can do is to balance our use of resources between all capabilities. Little bit of oil, little bit of Lithium battery, little bit of electricity. Going all-in on one technology just ends up with the problem we have now, which is massive over-consumption of one resource.

I'm definitely onboard with doing our best to clean the environment and reduce our footprint -- I just think we should focus on the real threats, and not the small-time stuff. In my opinion, the OP's article and what the EU commission did, is small-time stuff. It's a super minor blip on the map of what is destroying our environment. Let's get tough on the heavy hitters! I just don't see anyone willing to do it. It's easy to hit the mice, but no one wants to go after the major elephants.

Either way, my original reply was poorly worded. I'm glad I got called out so I could explain it a bit better.

 

[Silent-Runner]

I'm not sure if this is what's being insinuated, but just to clarify; I am not a climate change denier in any sense of the word, and I completely agree that we need to be conscious of our CO2 emission as well as the environmental impacts of our technology. However, I am not hasty to jump into a "new" technology like massive batteries that require tons of Lithium mining that is turning out to be just as destructive as what we are replacing.

That's why I believe the best thing we can do is to balance our use of resources between all capabilities. Little bit of oil, little bit of Lithium battery, little bit of electricity. Going all-in on one technology just ends up with the problem we have now, which is massive over-consumption of one resource.

I'm definitely onboard with doing our best to clean the environment and reduce our footprint -- I just think we should focus on the real threats, and not the small-time stuff. In my opinion, the OP's article and what the EU commission did, is small-time stuff. It's a super minor blip on the map of what is destroying our environment. Let's get tough on the heavy hitters! I just don't see anyone willing to do it. It's easy to hit the mice, but no one wants to go after the major elephants.

Either way, my original reply was poorly worded. I'm glad I got called out so I could explain it a bit better.

i'm with you, no worries. Especially the part with spanking the heavy hitters, but let's face it, in the end it's all about the big money and of course politics which is why it is so important to change something, even small things. Big changes take "big" time. Changing more or less the whole transportation system isn't something that will or can happen in a short time span. The problem is, that there is (for years) a lot of talk and almost nothing done. We could've had hydrogen cars for years already, but there's literally NO lobby. Same goes for other alternatives.