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    I believe that is because it's the only place it is actually getting sold at $1600 or $1200.

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      Originally posted by Nascar24 View Post

      You already did Billy, you paid $500 over MSRP on your great ASRock 6900XT. I guess you haven't learned your lesson yet. image.png
      no i paid it's original MSRP

      but i bought when it just hit MSRP and it continued to fall below MSRP a month latter

      and the reasion i'm not jumping the first second cards are out again

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        Originally posted by bill dennison View Post

        no i paid it's original MSRP

        but i bought when it just hit MSRP and it continued to fall below MSRP a month latter

        and the reasion i'm not jumping the first second cards are out again
        Come on Billy, that was AMD scalping in the same sense the Jacket does it, MSRP on that card is $999. You were scalped.

        Prices are not coming down for probably 2 years Billy. Its the way it works. Thats why its the smartest move to buy now and get those 2 years of use and not wait like you did last time.

        And now for your next lesson!

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          Originally posted by Nascar24 View Post

          If you're not in front of a computer all day monitoring, it really isn't that easy to get them, I could have bought a good 5 4090's in the beginning, but that window is gone now, 4090's have definitely slowed to a trickle right now.
          There are drops almost every day. Just put discord alerts up on mobile. Strike while the iron is hot.

          Sure if you can't be arsed to do that then you're not gonna get one for a while.

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            Originally posted by Riptide View Post
            There are drops almost every day. Just put discord alerts up on mobile. Strike while the iron is hot.

            Sure if you can't be arsed to do that then you're not gonna get one for a while.
            Scalpers play a significant role, but what about the pc builders? They have a intimate relationship with the gpu manufacturers. In this case nvidia sends them more gpu's than needed, and they either give them away to attract viewers, or they put them up on ebay for auction.

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              Originally posted by Riptide View Post
              There are drops almost every day. Just put discord alerts up on mobile. Strike while the iron is hot.

              Sure if you can't be arsed to do that then you're not gonna get one for a while.
              Not anymore, 4090 drops are few and far between.

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                In Dubai I can walk into a store and buy one for around 1750 smokes. Different brands available from Zotac, Palit, Gainward, Inno3D etc.

                Cards definitely not selling here and scalping is much less.

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                  USA seems to be the main place where one can not buy a card for retail.
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                    Prices lowered in the EU by 5 percent.

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                      Originally posted by Nascar24 View Post

                      Not anymore, 4090 drops are few and far between.
                      You're on the wrong discord server evidently. They aren't a daily thing but I see them pop every other day on average if not more on the Falcodrin server I'm on.

                      Do you want one? I can always try to get one for you.

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                        Managed to snag a Asus TUF Gaming OC 4090 on Newegg today. Should have it by Wednesday. Bye bye 3090!

                        Asus TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition Graphics Card 24GB - Newegg.com

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                          congrats
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                            Tell us how it clocks. My TUF is a dud.

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                              There really isn't much to gain clocking these cards.

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                                Originally posted by Dave View Post
                                Managed to snag a Asus TUF Gaming OC 4090 on Newegg today. Should have it by Wednesday. Bye bye 3090!

                                Asus TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition Graphics Card 24GB - Newegg.com
                                Noice!!! Welcome to the club.

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                                  Make the spam man stop

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                                    There was a PNY available today. Did you want me to try and get you something if I'm able?

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                                      Originally posted by Riptide View Post
                                      There was a PNY available today. Did you want me to try and get you something if I'm able?

                                      Nascar24
                                      That would a very kind gesture for folks that truly want/need one.
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                                        Originally posted by Riptide View Post
                                        There was a PNY available today. Did you want me to try and get you something if I'm able?

                                        Nascar24
                                        Yep, could have got a couple today, but I'm good, thanks. I'm the same Nascar_24 on Discord, I picked one up the first min. of release. There are still a couple on discord that are looking for one though.
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                                          Portal RTX benchmarks at TPU. The game is fully path traced..

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                                            That graph is extremely misleading. It makes the gains seem massive, when they are not really that different. At first I was like woah the 3090 Ti is way behind the 4080, then noticed it's only 11 FPS..
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                                              34 to 45 is a massive jump in playability, though. These comparisons are always better demonstrated in terms of percentage.
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                                                it's like Portal is now a benchmark for the 4000's and only with DLSS

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                                                  In the TPU image comparison it looks like some of the textures were swapped out, which seems very sloppy to me. It not only changes the lighting but the entire art style because different panels are used in various areas.

                                                  https://www.techpowerup.com/review/p...ith-rtx/2.html

                                                  I don't understand why there were texture changes made at all?

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                                                    I don't have a problem with updated textures. They're designed to make surfaces pop with RT a little more, which they do, and higher res.

                                                    Portal RTX is a showcase for RTX remix modding tools, intended for modders to apply the same treatment to almost any dx7 to dx9 game, in weeks rather than years. It's quite revolutionary.
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                                                    Apparently you can use default textures too, by selecting in the remix options, but it does not give as good results.
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                                                      Worth a watch, very informative.

                                                      https://youtu.be/lZQJU3yek08

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                                                        So here we are over a week into December and 4090 cards, while drops are still happening every day or two, sell out within a couple minutes. Consistently.

                                                        Everyone who said things would normalize in 3-4 weeks after launch was wrong. And this time, you can't blame it on miners either.

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                                                          I blame scalpers.

                                                          And Nvidia for limiting the supply so that they can sell off the 3000 series cards first...

                                                          So, yeah, basically both are scalpers...

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                                                            I just saw a founders edition brand new sell for 2200 on ebay. After fees and the original purchase plus tax the scalper made about 250-270$.

                                                            Whoopty doo. That isn't anywhere near the margins they used to get.

                                                            I think if you want to blame someone this time around you need to focus pretty much 100% on beloved team green. Either they can't, or won't, produce enough to satisfy demand and there are evidently plenty of PC gamers ready to dump $1600+ on a GPU.

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                                                              Got the beast in today, jesus christ this is a massive card.

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                                                                Awesome!

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                                                                  Originally posted by Riptide View Post
                                                                  I think if you want to blame someone this time around you need to focus pretty much 100% on beloved team green. Either they can't, or won't, produce enough to satisfy demand and there are evidently plenty of PC gamers ready to dump $1600+ on a GPU.
                                                                  I'm going to go with team green for most of the blame on this one. The market for the super high end cards is pretty damn small to begin with. Add in the insane price this go around and that market is going to be even smaller. Nvidia, and by extension their board partners, simply aren't making enough to meet demand. Not surprising in the least if they're artificially limiting the stock too.
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                                                                    I don't think the yields are amazing on TSMC 4nm. I would suspect NV is actually struggling to produce enough 4090s while still satisfying the more important markets that also need wafers like the workstation side. It doesn't benefit NV to slow down 4090s since they're selling every chip they produce right now; if anything, the lack of supply is hurting their profit margin. If anything, I'd imagine NV is desperately trying to produce as much profit as possible to make up for the down-turn in the market pissing off/scaring investors, as well as the restrictions imposed on sales to China.

                                                                    Board partners are really helpless in all this -- I don't think it's fair to blame them at all. They can't produce GPUs without the cores from NV, and with all the information that came out during EVGA's bombshell departure from the partnership, it would appear that NV has a stranglehold on the board partners. They're passengers, not partners, in that relationship.
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                                                                    Originally posted by curio
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                                                                      Wait a second here. Where's Nigel? I want to get his opinion on this.

                                                                      Nigel my good man. Is this issue the fault of the greedy miners or is it the miners?

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                                                                        You guys should hold out:

                                                                        https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ga...ce=twitter.com

                                                                        New RTX 4090 Cards Can Access Up to 1200W of Power

                                                                        ​Galax's new RTX 4090 Hall of Fame cards have dual, 16-pin connectors.
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                                                                          When is the 4090 Ti out?

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                                                                            Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                                                            When is the 4090 Ti out?
                                                                            Not soon enough and not in enough quantity. Scalpers rejoice!!!
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                                                                              Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                                              I don't think the yields are amazing on TSMC 4nm. I would suspect NV is actually struggling to produce enough 4090s while still satisfying the more important markets
                                                                              At the die size that Nvidia is building anyway. That's one of the upsides of the Chiplet strategy (with the downside of slower speeds due to less integration)

                                                                              But apparently there are going to be a large number of 4070 boards that only have to have 1/4 functioning cores based on something I read the other day.
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                                                                                With the 7900XTX being somewhat of a dud, I'll have to start thinking more seriously if I want to try to get a 4090. The performance is good, but the price is not that tempting to me. Maybe I'll just wait to see whether some price cuts are seen in the next year. I'm honestly not doing too bad with my 3080, so I'm not that desperate for an upgrade.

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                                                                                  Amd should be glad that the jacket went full jacket with the price of the 4080.

                                                                                  The 7900 is a pretty good card, but it would have been DOA if the 4080 had been reasonable priced due to AMD's lack of mind share.

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