Official VR Headset discussion

[KAC]

I will see if I can pick up some cheap contacts over the weekend. I have never worn contacts but I would need to for this. Glasses don't work.
Also screendoor is bad. How people can consider this acceptable is beyond my comprehension.

[badboy]

Also screendoor is bad. How people can consider this acceptable is beyond my comprehension.

It actually goes away
You brain learns to ignore it and you only see it if you are looking for it

I thought it also was bad the first time. Now I dont think about it at all

[KAC]

Well let's hope so.

[KAC]

Btw is HTC Vive wireless? My kid keeps saying that he played it in the mall and it was wireless.

Also he says graphics on Rift are better. On Vive he kept feeling graphics were crap.

Where is the truth? I think he may have gotten so excited that he is not remembering things correctly lol.

Btw the whole pull out guns from hip routine in most games is utter crap. I would rather that they allow me to switch weapons with face buttons on the controller as the buttons ABXY seem to be not usable in anything I have played.

[Mr_Skinny]

You can buy 3rd party wireless kits for the Vive, but as standard it does have quite a large cable.

Graphics would be dependent on the spec of the PCs being used, both headsets are OLED and have the same resolution, refresh rate, and FOV. Maybe he didn't have it adjusted correctly and it was fuzzy?

[badboy]

Graphics would be dependent on the spec of the PCs being used, both headsets are OLED and have the same resolution, refresh rate, and FOV. Maybe he didn't have it adjusted correctly and it was fuzzy?

They actually have different fov, lenses and displayes

both have their ups and downs

[Mr_Skinny]

FOV is 110 degrees for both. I own a Vive and have frequently used a friends Rift, there is very little difference (if any) between the two graphically.

But yes, overall each have their ups and downs as you say.

[badboy]

FOV is 110 degrees for both. I own a Vive and have frequently used a friends Rift, there is very little difference (if any) between the two graphically.

But yes, overall each have their ups and downs as you say.

Vive has larger fov, not much but it is a little larger.

Have a rift and my friend has a vive so I have compared

Vive screen is brighter, has lower sweet spot, little more sde
Oculus screen has better blacks and the sweet spot is larger, has more pronounced lens flare

PSVR I have no idea, never tested

[jimjobob]

You can buy 3rd party wireless kits for the Vive, but as standard it does have quite a large cable.

Graphics would be dependent on the spec of the PCs being used, both headsets are OLED and have the same resolution, refresh rate, and FOV. Maybe he didn't have it adjusted correctly and it was fuzzy?

The PSVR is the only one using OLED.

Screen door is supposedly slightly better on the Rift than Vive but i havent used vive. Its much worse on the rift than PSVR though.

[Mr_Skinny]

The PSVR is the only one using OLED.

Both Rift & Vive use Samsung Pentile OLED displays.

[jimjobob]

Both Rift & Vive use Samsung Pentile OLED displays.

I thought the PSVR was the only one using OLED a and that was why it could have sub pixels good blacks and no glare.

[t0adp1p3]

How many of you guys have had weird things happen after playing VR? Sometimes using my phone or even writing on a pad of paper will seem really weird if I spend too much time playing.

[CyanBlues]

How many of you guys have had weird things happen after playing VR? Sometimes using my phone or even writing on a pad of paper will seem really weird if I spend too much time playing.

When I first started playing i'd get lucid dreams, also after getting out of VR, text on screen or paper would look 3d or popped out of the screen/paper. eventually it went away

[jimjobob]

How many of you guys have had weird things happen after playing VR? Sometimes using my phone or even writing on a pad of paper will seem really weird if I spend too much time playing.

The only thing ever is one time I cut across two lanes to hit an exit with barely any space in between the cars. Drifted back then accelerated to just the right speed. I would not drive like that normally but I think playing in VR for like 8 hours that day had me somewhat forgetful of the fact that in the real world there are consequences.

[badboy]

How many of you guys have had weird things happen after playing VR? Sometimes using my phone or even writing on a pad of paper will seem really weird if I spend too much time playing.

yeap happens at first.
Brain has a disconnect between your virtual hands and your real hands

But I dont have it anymore, only in the start after getting my touch

[andino]

How many of you guys have had weird things happen after playing VR? Sometimes using my phone or even writing on a pad of paper will seem really weird if I spend too much time playing.

Yup.

I move my hand from side to side and it's like it isn't really my hand.

It's really screwed up but it goes away.

I think they call it VR disassociation.

It was freaky weird the first time it happened.

[Nagorak]

Like what others are saying, I felt a little disoriented after being in VR at first. Like after coming back out, everything felt off somehow (hard to really describe). Now, that no longer happens so much. That being said, I don't usually play for more than a couple hours at a time. If I were to play for like eight hours or something then who knows. However, it's actually pretty hard to play for that long in VR anyway since you start to get tired or the headset starts to become uncomfortable.

I do wonder if spending an excessive amount of time in VR could have some bad side effects though. I'm not talking about a few hours a day, but say a kid during summer just spending like 10-12 hours every day. I would worry that it would have some sort of negative health consequences.

[badboy]

Like what others are saying, I felt a little disoriented after being in VR at first. Like after coming back out, everything felt off somehow (hard to really describe). Now, that no longer happens so much. That being said, I don't usually play for more than a couple hours at a time. If I were to play for like eight hours or something then who knows. However, it's actually pretty hard to play for that long in VR anyway since you start to get tired or the headset starts to become uncomfortable.

I do wonder if spending an excessive amount of time in VR could have some bad side effects though. I'm not talking about a few hours a day, but say a kid during summer just spending like 10-12 hours every day. I would worry that it would have some sort of negative health consequences.

Cant see it having any negative consequences.
in fact it will have positive effects as they move around alot more than sitting on their chair infront of the computer

Some games I am exhausted after playing for 1 hour

[andino]

Just bought vorpX.

Best money I have spent yet.

[delirium121]

How many of you guys have had weird things happen after playing VR? Sometimes using my phone or even writing on a pad of paper will seem really weird if I spend too much time playing.

a. initial problems getting to sleep, as i'd drop into sleep mode as normal my head was dropping into VR mode.
b. very lucid dreams
c. initially spending more time accessing my real life surroundings spatially etc.

[delirium121]

I will be staying with only 2 cameras for now.

honestly get the third camera, which then opens all the VIVE software up to you, not mention Oculus is going 3x cam set up as standard anyway.
Lone Echo & Robo Recall being a really good examples.

[t0adp1p3]

Played some Dirt Rally, I hate driving games normally....but that was a ton of fun.

Glad GMG had it on sale.

[skyguy]

I will see if I can pick up some cheap contacts over the weekend. I have never worn contacts but I would need to for this. Glasses don't work.
Also screendoor is bad. How people can consider this acceptable is beyond my comprehension.

When getting contacts, drop the cylinder value on your prescriptions if possible . All that does is sharpen normal viewing text in the real world if you have astigmatism. The problem is it magnifies the screen door effect. I have 20/20 in one eye and -1.75 in the other. The cylinder value on the prescription is what causes the screen door effect.

When I take away the cylinder value, the screen door effect is hard to see.

[delirium121]

When getting contacts, drop the cylinder value on your prescriptions if possible . All that does is sharpen normal viewing text in the real world if you have astigmatism. The problem is it magnifies the screen door effect. I have 20/20 in one eye and -1.75 in the other. The cylinder value on the prescription is what causes the screen door effect.

When I take away the cylinder value, the screen door effect is hard to see.

hang on glasses are fine with oculus, occasional fog up when playing frentic games like robo recall, speaking from experience of wearing both, contacts are always going to be the best solution, but are faff to stick in after work etc.

Due to Oculus being lighter just loosen the straps off then re-tighten so the headset is comfortably hanging in the right place for you focus wise and you can still take the headset off and on comfortably whilst wearing your glasses (this has been catered for, bear in mind this sort of developer typically has glasses, e.g. Carmack).

[t0adp1p3]

And Alien Isolation VR has been modded to work:

https://github.com/Nibre/MotherVR/releases/

[Deimos]

occasional fog up when playing frentic games like robo recall

The easiest way to prevent this is to heat up the HMD before you use it.
Make sure the unit is at or above ambient = no fog.

What I usually do is leave the HMD near the PC exhaust for while where it can get some warm air before I use it.

[andino]

Got AirMech Command.

Played for 4 hours today alone.

[KAC]

I haven't cracked this open since the first time I used it. Been busy with stuff. Will maybe put in some hours tonight in it.

[shrike126]

Been trying to get my HTV Vive to work. I can't figure this one out.

Error: Compositor is not available (400)

Currently connected to my system is a GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC and a EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING in SLI. Works fine for gaming on various games. Right now there are 3 monitors plugged in to all 3 Displayport connections on the card, with 1 open HDMI port. I have the HTC Vive plugged into that HDMI port.

I've tried swapping out different HDMI cables. Rolling back to previous version of drivers. Tried swapping the Vive to a Displayport connection. Tried uninstalling all the hardware and reinstalling drivers for all of it. I've also tried disabling SLI and just using the primary card alone.

Google hasn't been super helpful. The closest thing I can find is advice that I must be connecting something to my onboard video (which I am not). And that I should plug everything else into the 2nd videocard and my primary monitor into the DVI port with just the HDMI port on the 1st card connected to the HTC Vive (basically empty all the Displayport ports).

Which seems like a dumb ****ing option. I'll probably fiddle with it more tomorrow. But **** like this is infuriating. Why can't things just ****ing work?

[KAC]

Throw Vive. Get Rift.

[shrike126]

Throw Vive. Get Rift.

Uh... Anyone wanna buy a Vive? I'll make someone a really good deal on it.

[CyanBlues]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/35872...2758722551560/

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/commen...ble_error_400/

What finally worked for me, is to make sure the headset is on the same card as my primary monitor. I have two GTX 970's and an HDMI on my motherboard. I put one of my monitors on DVI, and the headset on that same card. Then made sure the card they were on was the primary.

That seems to have worked. As an aside I found it by trying the headset on the motherboard. I didn't get the error (because it became my primary) but of course performance was horrible.

If that is a requirement, I haven't seen it detailed in any documentation or FAQ. If it's something I missed, I'm assuming others may have as well.

I hope this helps someone. I assume YMMV depending on setup. If anyone has questions I'd be glad to help, but of course with the headset working I may be lost in some virtual world for a while.

if you haven't tried already

[KAC]

I say this is because Rift was so piss easy to setup. Seriously. Only problem I have now is caused by me which is that I literally pull the plug on the rift and put it in my drawer (to avoid my 3 year old smashing it to pieces). Then take it out and plug it (again while computer is still on) and it doesn't work. Was fixed by a reboot of the computer which I consider a minor evil.

[delirium121]

Been trying to get my HTV Vive to work. I can't figure this one out.

Error: Compositor is not available (400)

Currently connected to my system is a GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC and a EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING in SLI. Works fine for gaming on various games. Right now there are 3 monitors plugged in to all 3 Displayport connections on the card, with 1 open HDMI port. I have the HTC Vive plugged into that HDMI port.

I've tried swapping out different HDMI cables. Rolling back to previous version of drivers. Tried swapping the Vive to a Displayport connection. Tried uninstalling all the hardware and reinstalling drivers for all of it. I've also tried disabling SLI and just using the primary card alone.

Google hasn't been super helpful. The closest thing I can find is advice that I must be connecting something to my onboard video (which I am not). And that I should plug everything else into the 2nd videocard and my primary monitor into the DVI port with just the HDMI port on the 1st card connected to the HTC Vive (basically empty all the Displayport ports).

Which seems like a dumb ****ing option. I'll probably fiddle with it more tomorrow. But **** like this is infuriating. Why can't things just ****ing work?

they don't call it 'cutting edge' for no reason
as any seasoned rage'r will remember from the days of R200 & R300 series.

[Nagorak]

The Vive is definitely a finicky piece of hardware. I've had a lot of trouble getting it up and running on different machines. The only difference now is that I know how to fiddle with the driver install and such to try to coax it to work. I don't think I've got the compositor error before though.

I'd try pulling the second card entirely and see if you can get it working. If so, then try re-adding the second card. SLI won't do much for you in VR anyway.

One little trick I've found is to use USB Deview to uninstall all the USB drivers and let them be redetected. That helps a lot of problems for some reason.

[KAC]

Wow, glad I got the Rift.

Btw why I get blurry eyes after playing VR for some time. I have to take it off and shut it down because it goes absolutely blurry after a while (say 30-45 minutes).

Also, I am still not enjoying the experience with my glasses. Don't have time or money to get contacts about now.

[CyanBlues]

Wow, glad I got the Rift.

Btw why I get blurry eyes after playing VR for some time. I have to take it off and shut it down because it goes absolutely blurry after a while (say 30-45 minutes).

no idea, haven't heard anyone complain about that before. If the lens is too close and you have long lashes it could be brushing up against the lens but you wear glasses so no idea.

[shrike126]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/35872...2758722551560/

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/commen...ble_error_400/



if you haven't tried already

I haven't tried this exactly. Moving 3 monitors to my 2nd GPU and leaving only the primary monitor plugged in to DVI and the HDMI port for the Vive. I'll try that today though.

they don't call it 'cutting edge' for no reason
as any seasoned rage'r will remember from the days of R200 & R300 series.

Yeah, I mean... I know. But the HTC Vive has been out for a couple years now? I sorta figured at some point they'd be pushing for mainstream adoption and will have figured out bullshit like this.

The Vive is definitely a finicky piece of hardware. I've had a lot of trouble getting it up and running on different machines. The only difference now is that I know how to fiddle with the driver install and such to try to coax it to work. I don't think I've got the compositor error before though.

I'd try pulling the second card entirely and see if you can get it working. If so, then try re-adding the second card. SLI won't do much for you in VR anyway.

One little trick I've found is to use USB Deview to uninstall all the USB drivers and let them be redetected. That helps a lot of problems for some reason.

If the above doesn't work, I'll try pulling the 2nd GPU entirely. Though SLI doesn't do much in VR it was nice to have in other games. But it's worth a try.

Thank you for letting me vent for a bit. I'll be giving these options a shot this afternoon or evening and report back (it might have to be after the episode of Game of Thrones )

[shrike126]

I fixed it and here's what I arrived at...

I have to plug my primary display into DVI and let the HTC Vive have the HDMI port on the primary GPU. I then have to plug my 2nd and 3rd displays into the second GPU. This means I cannot run it in SLI because when I try to plug the secondary monitors into the second GPU it tells me I can only drive displays off the primary GPU (which breaks the Vive). Also, since the primary display is plugged into the primary GPU through DVI, I can't get Gsync to work.

So basically, I don't think I can get SLI + VR to work. I also can't have VR + Gsync. But aside from all of that, it works now.

[Nagorak]

Do you have a DVI to HDMI adapter? You might be able to use the Vive connected to the DVI that way, although I can't absolutely guarantee that it will work. HDMI straight to the Vive is the "safest" method.