Official VR Headset discussion

[Exposed]

Jesus Christ all my life I've loved everything horror, from books to movies to games.
But God damn VR takes it a whole new level... picked up Monstrum today and I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.

[MangaSpawn64]

I've decided to go with PS VR with a slim PS4 instead of Pro, then going with the Vive 2 or Rift 2 when they come out, with an overhaul of my computer with it.

[CyanBlues]

i think at most for htc, probably announcement of the new controller and other accesories

[noko]

Wow! Initial impressions are rather Awesome. Wonder if the wow! factor will wear out. Vive Play Area space below, ~ 9ft x 8ft.

Did Valve The Lab and all sections of it. I am having zero issues with nausea etc. nothing there at all. The screen door, rings, readability was all better then I expected too - I pretty much blank those out.

Will continue adventure . . .

[GSGRUNT]

Nice setup noko.

A good nausea test would be The Night Cafe or even better NewRetroArcade: Neon Demo. Both are free. Strafe and turn with a controller throws me off balance and triggers the nausea. I try to bowl then shoot baskets then darts in NewRetroArcade everyday to get my "VR-legs"

I'm getting better. I can spend hours in Google Earth VR with the comfort features turned off without getting sick. BTW Google Earth VR rocks. My suburban neighborhood is crudely 3D modeled and textured down to the phone lines and bushes.

[OzzieBloke]

Nice setup noko.

A good nausea test would be The Night Cafe or even better NewRetroArcade: Neon Demo. Both are free. Strafe and turn with a controller throws me off balance and triggers the nausea. I try to bowl then shoot baskets then darts in NewRetroArcade everyday to get my "VR-legs"

I'm getting better. I can spend hours in Google Earth VR with the comfort features turned off without getting sick. BTW Google Earth VR rocks. My suburban neighborhood is crudely 3D modeled and textured down to the phone lines and bushes.

Yeah, you can train your brain to start to cope with the motions not correlated to your inner ear. The first time I played with a controller while sitting still I was nauseous within 5 minutes. Then I lasted 15 minutes. Then half an hour. Now I could easily go for hours on end with no side-effects whatsoever, unless she starts complaining about chafing or I run out of condoms.

[noko]

Nice setup noko.

A good nausea test would be The Night Cafe or even better NewRetroArcade: Neon Demo. Both are free. Strafe and turn with a controller throws me off balance and triggers the nausea. I try to bowl then shoot baskets then darts in NewRetroArcade everyday to get my "VR-legs"

I'm getting better. I can spend hours in Google Earth VR with the comfort features turned off without getting sick. BTW Google Earth VR rocks. My suburban neighborhood is crudely 3D modeled and textured down to the phone lines and bushes.

lol, well I played Serious Sam First Encounter VR for about 30 min if not longer before I had enough. The touch pad is way too touchy and my character would not go or immediately spurt off course over big drops, sides of buildings etc . I wished the Vive had a joystick lever vice touchpad as a thought. Game looks utterly fantastic in VR.

[noko]

Yeah, you can train your brain to start to cope with the motions not correlated to your inner ear. The first time I played with a controller while sitting still I was nauseous within 5 minutes. Then I lasted 15 minutes. Then half an hour. Now I could easily go for hours on end with no side-effects whatsoever, unless she starts complaining about chafing or I run out of condoms.

Good to know, I should be OK because I can't think of anything more random at times then Serious Sam 1st Encounter VR in motion or anything that could be worst. I think I just need to get the controls down better and will be practicing before I progress in this game. Will try out the different settings as well. It is like the touchpad does not see my fingers at time.

[Nagorak]

lol, well I played Serious Sam First Encounter VR for about 30 min if not longer before I had enough. The touch pad is way too touchy and my character would not go or immediately spurt off course over big drops, sides of buildings etc . I wished the Vive had a joystick lever vice touchpad as a thought. Game looks utterly fantastic in VR.

If you change to using teleport it helps. Basically whenever you click the touch pad your jump 5-10 feet in one direction. It helps with motion sickness and may be easier to control (you can also hold the touchpad for Lab style teleport, but I didn't find that very useful). It's one of the best teleport systems I've played with so far. Actually it doesn't really feel like teleporting at all, more like little micro jumps, so it's almost like touch pad movement.

My problem with the track pad in that game was that outside it was fine, but then inside in close quarters the movement was very fast relative to the environment. Motion sickness seems to be worse when you expect to move one direction and move a different direction. So if you lose control and get disoriented you can get motion sick really fast.

[CyanBlues]

Does anybody know if the Oculus will have support spatial gaming like the HTC Vive does with its 15'x15' gaming area due to its Lighthouse system? I know this is something that won't be available on release but I'd hate to spend that kind of money on a device that will not be upgraded to have the same kind of capability as the HTC Vive which makes it more compelling than the competitors.

i don't know about 15x15 but for full roomscale (as in not front facing) you'll need the touch controller (comes with an additional camera) and 2 extra camera so about 4 in total to get the same tracking as the Vive. You will probably have very good tracking with 3 camera but to get the best you can get for the rift you'll need the 4th camera

Noko - did you try using teleport instead? if you haven't gotten use to touchpad movements yet I'd just try it via teleport first. You'll need this esp if you want to try Doom 3 BFG in vr

[noko]

i don't know about 15x15 but for full roomscale (as in not front facing) you'll need the touch controller (comes with an additional camera) and 2 extra camera so about 4 in total to get the same tracking as the Vive. You will probably have very good tracking with 3 camera but to get the best you can get for the rift you'll need the 4th camera

Noko - did you try using teleport instead? if you haven't gotten use to touchpad movements yet I'd just try it via teleport first. You'll need this esp if you want to try Doom 3 BFG in vr

Teleport works but I don't like it, at least for now. I went ahead and bought and playing Serious Sam VR The Last Hope. Loving it plus since it is a wave game not much movement other then your play area. Still hell a lot of fun though.

Once I get better VR legs I will dive back into First Encounter but planning to practice often - last time was better then first just wacky controls for me. Developer is going to have one controller for turning and the other for movement which may work out better. Should be available in a couple of days. Plus I've haven't tried the smooth option yet, not sure what that does.

Downloading a 360 video from YouTube now, going to play it in Virtual Desktop which is a neat program. Not sure how useful it will be in the long run.

[CyanBlues]

forgot to mention for those that just got Vives or Rift with Touch controller, don't forget these free experience on steam.

http://http://store.steampowered.com/app/381940/ for starwars fans, Trials on Tatooine its a neat short interactive experience.

http://http://store.steampowered.com/app/490840/ Gnomes & Goblins, short interactive experience by Jon Favreau

http://store.steampowered.com/app/497820/ Quanero VR (sort of a interactive, detective experience, you can rewind/fast foward/slowmo/ what happens in the experience to find out what really happened)

[noko]

forgot to mention for those that just got Vives or Rift with Touch controller, don't forget these free experience on steam.

http://http://store.steampowered.com/app/381940/ for starwars fans, Trials on Tatooine its a neat short interactive experience.

http://http://store.steampowered.com/app/490840/ Gnomes & Goblins, short interactive experience by Jon Favreau

http://store.steampowered.com/app/497820/ Quanero VR (sort of a interactive, detective experience, you can rewind/fast foward/slowmo/ what happens in the experience to find out what really happened)

Thanks, now Trials on Tatoonine is awesome! Haven't tried the others yet.

[KAC]

When the next line of VR sets coming out?

[Nagorak]

Thanks, now Trials on Tatoonine is awesome! Haven't tried the others yet.

Trials on Tatooine was cool, but it was so short that it ended almost as soon as it started. I had some trouble running it at first because I had only 8 GB in my VR box and it didn't like it. When I finally swapped in 16 GB of memory to get it running it ended up feeling very anticlimactic. I guess it was a good three minutes, though.

[GSGRUNT]

Trials on Tatooine - Ran fine with just 8GB of ram. Cool
Gnomes & Goblins - Couldn't figure out how to kill the little bugger
Quanero VR - Dancing girl made me think there is going to be big money in VR p0rn

[Exposed]

When the next line of VR sets coming out?

When aliens beam down to deliver the next set.

[CyanBlues]

Trials on Tatooine - Ran fine with just 8GB of ram. Cool
Gnomes & Goblins - Couldn't figure out how to kill the little bugger
Quanero VR - Dancing girl made me think there is going to be big money in VR p0rn

yeah tatooine is really short, also the Falcon seems not to scale, its smaller then it should be. (also light blade vr imo is the better light sabre experience)

did you figure out how the explosion started in Quanero? Can't wait to see a real movie made this way where we can foward/rewind etc and view from all angles etc.

[GSGRUNT]

At first I thought it was the kick but a closer inspection revealed the truth.

Yeah, this could be huge fun.

[KAC]

So, since no one really quite answered my question.

A few more.

1) Best Headset to buy right now?
2) Best games to play on that said headset?
3) Room space required?

I am actually not much for a full room experience. I would rather just sit around feeling the stuff but yeah.

Tell me. I really don't know crap about the Occulus or Vive. All I know is PSVR is easy to setup and indulge in and costs less.

[GSGRUNT]

So, since no one really quite answered my question.

A few more.

1) Best Headset to buy right now?
2) Best games to play on that said headset?
3) Room space required?

I am actually not much for a full room experience. I would rather just sit around feeling the stuff but yeah.

Tell me. I really don't know crap about the Occulus or Vive. All I know is PSVR is easy to setup and indulge in and costs less.

IMO there is no clear winner between Vive or Oculus.
I can't speak to best games yet.
Room Space requirement is game specific.
PSVR with PC hack might be the best way to go. I wouldn't consider it if it were Playstation only.
Touch type controllers add a lot.

[KAC]

IMO there is no clear winner between Vive or Oculus.
I can't speak to best games yet.
Room Space requirement is game specific.
PSVR with PC hack might be the best way to go. I wouldn't consider it if it were Playstation only.
Touch type controllers add a lot.

Which one do you have grunt?

[GSGRUNT]

Oculus with touch and two sensors.
Might add a third sensor but I haven't felt the need yet.
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Not long after I typed the above, I played the Steam Dolls demo. I need another sensor.

[CyanBlues]

So, since no one really quite answered my question.

A few more.

1) Best Headset to buy right now?
2) Best games to play on that said headset?
3) Room space required?

I am actually not much for a full room experience. I would rather just sit around feeling the stuff but yeah.

Tell me. I really don't know crap about the Occulus or Vive. All I know is PSVR is easy to setup and indulge in and costs less.

1 toss up between vive and rift
2 not sure about rift games since i have a vive, but best demoish thing for vive is probably the lab. Holopoint imo is probably the most active game since you don't really stand around like the other wave shooter that can be played in standing position. Budget Cuts also gave some of the best presence.
3 there is never enough room

[GSGRUNT]

There are hacks to get Rift only games to work on Vive and vice versa.

For instance, Google Earth VR is Vive only at the moment but drop a hacked ddraw.dll in the app folder and it will run on Rift.

[MangaSpawn64]

So, since no one really quite answered my question.

A few more.

1) Best Headset to buy right now?
2) Best games to play on that said headset?
3) Room space required?

I am actually not much for a full room experience. I would rather just sit around feeling the stuff but yeah.

Tell me. I really don't know crap about the Occulus or Vive. All I know is PSVR is easy to setup and indulge in and costs less.

It's the reason I'm going with this for the first gen... Easy setup and I'm letting the kinks getting worked out on the other headsets. I'm gonna upgrade my comp in about 2-3 years so hopfully we'll be at 4k for panel and graphic card performance / average price point.

[Nagorak]

So, since no one really quite answered my question.

A few more.

1) Best Headset to buy right now?
2) Best games to play on that said headset?
3) Room space required?

I am actually not much for a full room experience. I would rather just sit around feeling the stuff but yeah.

Tell me. I really don't know crap about the Occulus or Vive. All I know is PSVR is easy to setup and indulge in and costs less.

1) For a large room, I think a Vive is better because the lighthouse system scales better over larger distances. For small or medium rooms they're probably identical, provided you get the third camera for the Rift. With the third camera the Rift costs slightly more, so on the whole I'd say there's a slightly lean towards the Vive, but it's not huge and an argument can be made either way. (Some say the Rift Touch controllers are better, but I haven't tried them personally.) I'd say the HMDs are close enough that you should just get whatever is cheaper in your area.

2) It depends what you're going for. Space Pirate Trainer is a wave shooter, where you blast droids but it's a lot of fun. Obviously The Lab from Valve is awesome. Solus Project is a full non-VR game converted to VR so it has a lot of content. The Assembly is a pretty interesting SP game, kind of more like a mystery type game than anything else. There are too many games to really list them all here.

3) The HMDs don't require that much space. However, once you set one up you discover that more space is better. I was skeptical of room scale too, and thought it sounded silly, but after trying I was an immediate convert. It really does feel natural moving around and interacting with things in your space. The only problem, obviously, is you're limited to your space, which is when things like teleportation come in.

[CyanBlues]

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New strap for vive headset, and tracking puck attached objects you want to track in vr etc...

also Windows Holographics headsets

http://www.windowscentral.com/these-...-dell-and-more

also....vr punchout

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[noko]

Well the Wow! Factor is still very much present. When you have life size and actual giants shooting at you with Serious Sam 1st Encounter what is there not to like?

Croteam has been supper active with SS 1st encounter, the controls are getting darn right impressive for strafing. I use the left trackpad for rotation and the right one for movement. Now you press down on the trackpad for either motion (option I turn on) this totally prevents the accidental touching and the wrong motion I had before = death.

I requested from the developer to do discreet rotations (instant) depending upon position on the trackpad: 3 O'clock right 90 degrees, 9 O'clock on trackpad left 90 degrees but more importantly the in between. The discreet rotation method takes all the motion sickness out of it for me while a continuous rotation over time makes me feel uncomfortable. Even that is going away as well as I get more use to it. Currently you have 45, 90, 180 discreet (rotation) options.

Think about playing Doom 3 BFG since many are saying it is a whole new experience and works great in VR. Just having too much fun in SS games at the moment. Which both work with SLI - I have them maxed out for the most part

[noko]

So, since no one really quite answered my question.

A few more.

1) Best Headset to buy right now?
2) Best games to play on that said headset?
3) Room space required?

I am actually not much for a full room experience. I would rather just sit around feeling the stuff but yeah.

Tell me. I really don't know crap about the Occulus or Vive. All I know is PSVR is easy to setup and indulge in and costs less.

Well if you like FarceBook, don't mind another store with exclusives, give data freely to them about you ->Rift
If you want the full gamut of choices right off the bat as in different types of game play and like Steam - Vive

Vive can play most Rift games (not all), Rift can play most Vive games but Touch being new seems to have issues in some of the games.

I also think it is hard to judge what your preference will be until you really get into VR. Most Touch owners enjoy much better the more open/movement possibilities with the Touch. Very few Vive owners want to sit down at the computer (that is an option with the Vive) and play. It is way beyond what I expected the experience would be, should say way better.

Now if you are picky about screen door effect (when playing I totally don't even think about it), blurry text (I have no issue with text even using the headset for the desktop, it is not clear like a monitor to be clear), not utterly motion sickness bound (room scale goes a long way in eliminating that issue) then you might want to hold off.

Content is arriving all the time but something I hope will improves with the quality and complete games. For me there is adequate amount of content at this time. Others do not feel that way.

[CyanBlues]

Think about playing Doom 3 BFG since many are saying it is a whole new experience and works great in VR. Just having too much fun in SS games at the moment. Which both work with SLI - I have them maxed out for the most part

Do it, if you like serious sam first encounter, you're going to like DOOM BFG in VR. Penumbra also -_-

[KAC]

Thanks for all the responses. Links to where to purchase the Vive with all the things required for it to work properly. Amazon links preferred.

[CyanBlues]

Thanks for all the responses. Links to where to purchase the Vive with all the things required for it to work properly. Amazon links preferred.

have you checked around to make sure there really isn't any place to try them out first in your area?

even if its a hour drive or so, you really should try them first.

quick search on reddit shows there's one in Lahore

https://www.facebook.com/Transfinity.VR.PK/

[KAC]

I will see if I can find a demo in Dubai. Coz that is where I live now.

[CyanBlues]

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Apparently Axiom store in Dubai Mall? maybe give them a call to see if they still have the demo.

Apparently sony store there has psvr also for demo

[GSGRUNT]

Ordered 3rd Rift sensor on the 4th, still waiting for shipment.

Apparently there is a high demand.

[Exposed]

I tried Doom 3 BFG edition in VR and it looked fantastic. However afterwards I got some serious motion sickness for several hours.

The game is really too fast paced for VR, needs a slow motion mod. Too fast movements and turning in VR is a recipe for sickness for me.

[Nagorak]

Yeah I found D3 to be really rough for motion sickness too. It's worse than Serious Sam, IMO. Very tight, twisty corridors, pretty fast movement and the controls are a little bit awkward. It all builds up over time. When I played it I lasted for about an hour or so, but then had to lie down.

[Exposed]

I think part of the reason is that Doom 3 BFG wasn't meant to be in VR, and the BFG version was deliberately made faster for a more arcade experience.

I think the original Doom 3 would be better for a VR implemention.

It looks really good though, I'm sure there's some console commands to slow down movement.

[GSGRUNT]

VR Golf

Yesterday I bought The Golf Club VR from Steam. After three hours of fiddling with it I gave up. Never could consistently hit anything longer than a chip. Tried to return it but was rejected because I was over the two hour limit.

Anyway, Has anyone had a good experience with a VR golf game?