Official VR Headset discussion

[CyanBlues]

just finish playing about 2 hours of Serious Sam First Encounter VR, and all I can say is, i hope everyone else adds VR support for their older games. This game is so much fun. Sense of scale on the enemies is amazing.

[Nagorak]

agree with badboy on this, SDE will become less noticeable when you're enjoying the game, also not sure what snow ball game they demo to you, as far as I can tell for my vive, the snow ball games that are available on steam doesn't look fun at all.


rift i haven't tried myself but supposedly lighter and less sde so you can always try that also, but as badboy said, its made more for front facing, if you want full room scale tracking comparable to vive you'll probably need 3rd/4th camera.

in anycase you can't really lose if you choose one or the other, can't lose for waiting for gen 2 also.

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I also notice in the video that he went quite far out of the optimal tracking area of the light house (green screen area) and the vive still seems to track very well

Yes, you don't really notice the SDE at all once you're playing. I noticed it maybe the first time I used the headset. After that you get used to it, and the experience is still incredibly immersive regardless of the short comings.

With the headsets, if you're going to have a very large play space, then the Vive is probably the better bet. The lighthouses scale up better to larger areas, even larger than recommended by Valve. But if you only have about 8 by 8 anyway, then you'll probably do fine with either one (provided you get the third camera for the Rift).

I would say that you should be sure not to make the mistake of not getting motion controls at this point. I don't think Oculus's original idea of seated with controller is going to be very big going forward. The Vive / PSVR both are motion control centric and now the Rift also has that capability. There might be a few non-motion control games, but I think the lion's share are going to feature motion controls.

Motion controls are just so much more intuitive in VR. I had a friend come over recently, and loaded up Longbow in The Lab for him. I didn't have to explain what to do at all, he just picked up the bow and started firing off arrows.

[noko]

Oh, crap. Now I want a rift. I can only imagine the kleer horde in metropolis in vr.

I use to love using the knife and taking out hordes of Kleers or WereBulls. Man, should I wait to after Christmas for any price breaks on the Vive or buy now? I am not sure about the Rift but either is probably rather good in this game.

[Nagorak]

You can get two $50 off promo codes for the Vive if you own Vermintide on Steam (apparently you can only use one at once). Just sign in here to get them: http://promo.fatsharkgames.com/vive/

Also, some guys on Reddit posted a couple of promo codes they're not going to use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/commen...ve_if_you_own/

I'm not sure how long the codes are good for, maybe only until Christmas? I actually have two myself, but better to get your own, or use the ones posted there before asking for mine, since I have friends who might want them. (To be clear, if you really are going to use the code and can't get it anywhere else, don't be afraid to ask for mine.)

You can also find some open box or used ones on Ebay, but this is one of those situations where I'd be a bit wary of buying used. I think there's a greater than normal chance of someone ****ing up their HMD or controllers than say a graphics card or monitor.

[monkeydust]

I bought a Vive on Tuesday. My time with it has been somewhat limited since I found out Wednesday morning that my wife has been cheating on me for months. Kind of takes my will do do anything away.

I did buy a bunch of games from Steam (and Oculus) that were the most popular.

[CyanBlues]

I bought a Vive on Tuesday. My time with it has been somewhat limited since I found out Wednesday morning that my wife has been cheating on me for months. Kind of takes my will do do anything away.

I did buy a bunch of games from Steam (and Oculus) that were the most popular.

maybe try one of those social games like rec room or alt space to blow off some steam?

[night]

VR porn?

[Nagorak]

I bought a Vive on Tuesday. My time with it has been somewhat limited since I found out Wednesday morning that my wife has been cheating on me for months. Kind of takes my will do do anything away.

I did buy a bunch of games from Steam (and Oculus) that were the most popular.

Yeah, really crappy timing.

[badboy]

I bought a Vive on Tuesday. My time with it has been somewhat limited since I found out Wednesday morning that my wife has been cheating on me for months. Kind of takes my will do do anything away.

I did buy a bunch of games from Steam (and Oculus) that were the most popular.

That sucks.

I feel the same after a break up dont feel like playing anything

Hope you come on your feet fast and can start enjoying your life again

I would recommend multiplayer vr games when you can play. It helps as it feels like you are right there with others, interacting and having fun and not alone. Feeling alone is the worst thing in situations like this

[noko]

You can get two $50 off promo codes for the Vive if you own Vermintide on Steam (apparently you can only use one at once). Just sign in here to get them: http://promo.fatsharkgames.com/vive/

Also, some guys on Reddit posted a couple of promo codes they're not going to use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/commen...ve_if_you_own/

I'm not sure how long the codes are good for, maybe only until Christmas? I actually have two myself, but better to get your own, or use the ones posted there before asking for mine, since I have friends who might want them. (To be clear, if you really are going to use the code and can't get it anywhere else, don't be afraid to ask for mine.)

You can also find some open box or used ones on Ebay, but this is one of those situations where I'd be a bit wary of buying used. I think there's a greater than normal chance of someone ****ing up their HMD or controllers than say a graphics card or monitor.

I will just wait until after Christmas. I don't have the game and probably will not buy it anyways. No hurry at this time. Thanks for offering.

[Nagorak]

Well, just in case anyone wants it, here's an unused voucher code for $50 off the Vive. It works on Vive.com. Shipping is also free right now. Between the $50 off and free shipping it's now about $100 less than when I purchased, not that I'm complaining.

Voucher Code: HfkHKbGNdb

[Nagorak]

Apparently the Vive is going on sale on the 26th and 27th for $100 off, so those who held out look like they have a chance for a decent deal.

https://blog.vive.com/us/2016/12/26/holiday-deals-on-vive-and-viveport/

I just ordered one for $50 off, so feel a bit burned, but I guess that's life for you. Someone should try to see if the voucher code above stacks for $150 off.

[Nagorak]

Sorry for spamming this thread, but I wanted to bring it to everyone's attention that for today and tomorrow you can get a Vive from the Microsoft Store for $100 off, plus also get a $100 gift card. Apparently the gift card can be converted into Steam gift cards in the physical store. That's effectively $200, which is probably about as good a deal as you're ever going to see in the near future.

Here's more discussion about it on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5kef79/the_htc_vive_is_100_off_at_the_microsoft_store_in/

[CyanBlues]

Sorry for spamming this thread, but I wanted to bring it to everyone's attention that for today and tomorrow you can get a Vive from the Microsoft Store for $100 off, plus also get a $100 gift card. Apparently the gift card can be converted into Steam gift cards in the physical store. That's effectively $200, which is probably about as good a deal as you're ever going to see in the near future.

Here's more discussion about it on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/commen...soft_store_in/

yeah told my newphew about it since he wanted one also but he already got one from microcenter.

[GSGRUNT]

Showed the wife the free Quill app today and she said "Wow". She usually just humors me with a "that nice" after I show her something in VR.

[monkeydust]

Still really struggling with the screendoor effect on the Vive. I increased supersampling which helped with reading text in games, but I have not been able to find any solutions that would have an effect on screendoor.

[CyanBlues]

Still really struggling with the screendoor effect on the Vive. I increased supersampling which helped with reading text in games, but I have not been able to find any solutions that would have an effect on screendoor.

you can't get rid of screen door effect on any of the headset, thats just the limits of gen 1, if it really really bugs you enough I would just return it and wait for gen 2 or 3

out of the big 3, psvr suppose to have the least amount of screen door effect

[GSGRUNT]

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out of the big 3, psvr suppose to have the least amount of screen door effect

Link? makes no sense that a lower res HMD would have less SDE unless the field of view was tiny.

[jimjobob]

out of the big 3, psvr suppose to have the least amount of screen door effect

I own a Rift and PSVR and can conferm this. Belive it or not, the difference is pretty substantial. My daughter still thinks its crap though compaired to the rift due to the "blurier" image. Its by far the best for 2d video content.

Link? makes no sense that a lower res HMD would have less SDE unless the field of view was tiny.

The PSVR uses an OLED screen with 4 sub pixels per pixel.

[badboy]

Link? makes no sense that a lower res HMD would have less SDE unless the field of view was tiny.

They are using another display in psvr that makes it so you see less sde

Dont understand this enough to say anything else

Maybe someone else can explain

[Exposed]

PSVR is using a higher resolution display with greater PPI than a Rift/Vive. However the actual rendering is much lower. So you get almost zero screen door effect but with a lower target resolution, meaning everything is fuzzier as you would expect going to a lower resolution.

We need this on the Rift/Vive now. Basically a higher resolution screen to pack as much pixels per inch, yet keep the rendering as it is. I'm pretty sure the first "4k" HMD's will be this way.

[GSGRUNT]

Thinking about it, there can be less but bigger pixels with minimal space between them. That would reduce SDE but I think you would get more jaggies.

[GSGRUNT]

PSVR is using a higher resolution display with greater PPI than a Rift/Vive. However the actual rendering is much lower. So you get almost zero screen door effect but with a lower target resolution, meaning everything is fuzzier as you would expect going to a lower resolution.

The part I bolded is not true.

Display OLED 5.7-inch OLED
Resolution per eye
Vive - 1,080 x 1,200
PSVR- 960 x 1,080

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http://www.digitaltrends.com/virtual-reality/playstation-vr-vs-htc-vive-spec-comparison/

[Exposed]

Wrong, that's the target resolution, not the panel resolution.

• Rift and Vive: 2 displays x 2 subpixels x 1080 x 1200 = 5,184,000 subpixels
• PSVR: 1 display x 3 subpixels x 1920 x 1080 = 6,220,800 subpixels

As you can see, PSVR has quite a few more subpixels than Rift and Vive. While this definitely isn't a crowning achievement, removal of the screen-door effect is definitely appreciated by everyone who has experienced it in VR.

http://www.vrheads.com/playstation-vr-why-theres-no-screen-door-effect

[GSGRUNT]

ahhh I see now. Thanks Exposed. The old PenTile trick.

[Exposed]

It works really well for the PS 4. They do not have a screen door problem, us Rift/Vive owners do. However, they have a resolution clarity problem and we don't (well, to a lesser extent).

No reason why we can't have both in 2016. I'm fine with keeping the current target resolution while cramming as much pixels/subpixels per inch to reduce SDE.

[GSGRUNT]

Just played the Bullet Train demo. Great fun. Can't wait for the release of Robo Recall.

https://www.epicgames.com/roborecall/en-US/home

Teleport rather than running so I don't get sick.

[Nagorak]

Still really struggling with the screendoor effect on the Vive. I increased supersampling which helped with reading text in games, but I have not been able to find any solutions that would have an effect on screendoor.

Yeah, you can't get rid of the SDE. That being said, difficulty reading text and stuff is due to resolution. Supersampling and anti-aliasing can actually help a lot with image quality. The SDE by itself is something you get used to pretty fast. The problem, of course, is that even with a 1080 you quickly can run into performance issues if you up the settings too high.

While a 970 or 290/390 can run VR, the truth is the more power the better, and even a Titan X probably won't be enough. For the first time pretty much ever I'm anxiously awaiting the next gen cards.

[Nagorak]

I've been playing The Assembly lately. It's more of a mystery/puzzle game, but the story is pretty good, and walking around the labs is pretty cool. They added motion controls a month or so ago, so now you can walk around and interact with things, rather than playing seated with a controller.

I definitely recommend it for anyone looking for a decently long SP. It's at least 5 or 6 hours long (haven't finished it yet). So far I think it's been one of my best experiences in VR, at least in terms of story.

[monkeydust]

There's a rumor out today that the HTC Vive 2 will be unveiled at CES in a couple of weeks that should be a big improvement on visual quality. If so, I will likely return my Vive and wait for that.

HTC is likely to unveil its second-generation VR device, the HTC Vive 2, at the upcoming CES 2017 to be held in Las Vegas from January 1-5, according to a Taipei-based Central News Agency (CNA) report.

The Vive 2 is expected to utilize a wireless transmitter to connect with PC systems and come with two 4K displays with a monitor refresh rate of 120Hz instead of 90Hz for the current model, said the report.

Meanwhile, HTC also reduced recently the price of its HTC Vive devices sold in the China market by 10%, apparently to pave the way for the launch of the new Vive 2, indicated the report.

[GSGRUNT]

2 4k displays? I don't believe it.

What will recommend PC be? Titan XP SLI?

[Exposed]

The 4k display might be like Apple's Retina display. It's not going to render at an actual 4k resolution, but use the pixels to eliminate screen door effect and improve text/visual quality.

All in all, looks like Oculus is going to be left behind. A Vive 2 is definitely something I would consider purchasing.

[MangaSpawn64]

The 4k display might be like Apple's Retina display. It's not going to render at an actual 4k resolution, but use the pixels to eliminate screen door effect and improve text/visual quality.

All in all, looks like Oculus is going to be left behind. A Vive 2 is definitely something I would consider purchasing.

Same. If it happens soon, I'm upgrading my comp and going with the Vive instead of PS4 VR.

[badboy]

There's a rumor out today that the HTC Vive 2 will be unveiled at CES in a couple of weeks that should be a big improvement on visual quality. If so, I will likely return my Vive and wait for that.

HTC is likely to unveil its second-generation VR device, the HTC Vive 2, at the upcoming CES 2017 to be held in Las Vegas from January 1-5, according to a Taipei-based Central News Agency (CNA) report.

The Vive 2 is expected to utilize a wireless transmitter to connect with PC systems and come with two 4K displays with a monitor refresh rate of 120Hz instead of 90Hz for the current model, said the report.

Meanwhile, HTC also reduced recently the price of its HTC Vive devices sold in the China market by 10%, apparently to pave the way for the launch of the new Vive 2, indicated the report.

Thats a false rumor

http://uploadvr.com/no-vive-2-at-ces-htc-confirms/

Htc and oculus arent going to release next gen hmds anytime soon. Its too early

[Nagorak]

I agree. These have only just started selling. Much as I'd like an improved display the reality is the focus right now is probably more on cost cutting and increasing users than on coming up with a better headset.

[noko]

Well My Vive came in Yesterday, should have time to set it up today. Can't wait. Also I have 8 days off so some playing time will be in order.

[Exposed]

In addition to all the major VR releases lately, there's some smaller gems were checking out. I suggest Dreadhalls for a horror experience, and Dead Secret for a good mystery/adventure experience (it does have a few jump scares though).

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