Official VR Headset discussion

[dmanna]

There is always someone more nerdy than me....

I love PC gaming but admit that I am close minded when it comes to some of these things like VR.

I am not close minded to VR I am just not impressed with what I have seen. If they make full games like the Paranormal Activity game I saw, I think thats where VR will shine.
VR porn might work but I would hate to be caught with a head set on.. havin a party with myself with headphones on so not only can I not see the person but I also cannot hear the person walk into the room lmao..

Most of the games I have seen so far it seems like VR needs 3 to 5 more years.

[OzzieBloke]

I am not close minded to VR I am just not impressed with what I have seen. If they make full games like the Paranormal Activity game I saw, I think thats where VR will shine.
VR porn might work but I would hate to be caught with a head set on.. havin a party with myself with headphones on so not only can I not see the person but I also cannot hear the person walk into the room lmao..

Most of the games I have seen so far it seems like VR needs 3 to 5 more years.

I basically second this.

Except the porn thing. I live alone.

[KAC]

PS4 VR just for setup ease and go, but you'll really need a PS4 Pro to go with it. It's basically a Samsung VR for consoles.

Rift has the best optics of the 3. Vive has better roomscale (and more touch games).

Pretty much most VR games will be for both Rift/Vive, so it doesn't matter which one you choose, it depends if you want room scale interaction or not. Rift will have better visual quality due to less screendoor effect, but all headsets are in their first generation and the next gen headsets aren't expected until 2018.

Thanks man! I think I will wait and indulge in PSVR over the weekend

[Destroy]

Thanks man! I think I will wait and indulge in PSVR over the weekend

Let us know what you think of it.

[LordHawkwind]

Apparently HTC have sold just 140,000 Hive's since launch. By any stretch of the imagination a pretty inconsequential amount considering the number of PC's around. Not sure where this multi-billion dollar industry is.

Even on mobile VR is a joke because Google want to use it to sell overpriced Pixel phones and even my Nexus 6P is not Daydream ready LMAO. A Pixel XL costs more than an HTC Hive WITHOUT the Daydream headset. For VR to really go mainstream the price of entry needs to be significantly lower and until then not only will it remain niche but many companies will struggle to make a profit so why bother supporting it?

[Exposed]

Not even close. Its slightly blurier with less screendoor compaired to Rift.




Rift has touch in less than 2 months and it comes with a second sensor. All hands on accounts say it works every bit as well as vive with roomscale using the second sensor.

Personal opinion but for PC, i would say touch should give Oculus the clear lead. For strictly "traditional" gaming, PSVR is what i would recommend.

I have no doubt Rift roomscale will be better, but right now the rift package only comes with 1 sensor. The touch/sensor package won't be available until December. Vive had a head start on Rift for roomscale since launch.

[LordHawkwind]

I have no doubt Rift roomscale will be better, but right now the rift package only comes with 1 sensor. The touch/sensor package won't be available until December. Vive had a head start on Rift for roomscale since launch.

OK I meant Vive's but the damn spell checker changed it!

[Exposed]

Apparently HTC have sold just 140,000 Hive's since launch. By any stretch of the imagination a pretty inconsequential amount considering the number of PC's around. Not sure where this multi-billion dollar industry is.

Even on mobile VR is a joke because Google want to use it to sell overpriced Pixel phones and even my Nexus 6P is not Daydream ready LMAO. A Pixel XL costs more than an HTC Hive WITHOUT the Daydream headset. For VR to really go mainstream the price of entry needs to be significantly lower and until then not only will it remain niche but many companies will struggle to make a profit so why bother supporting it?

Again the data is right in front of you but you refuse to see it because of your personal bias/opinions.

PS4 VR just launched and it's outselling the PS4 in Japan:

http://ps4daily.com/2016/10/playstation-vr-outsells-the-ps4-during-launch-in-japan/

VR Hardware sales alone overall account for just under one billion, while software sales have already exceeded it:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/426486/virtual-reality-software-revenue-worldwide/

This is why we have major software devs embracing VR, like Epic and Bethesda. There is much money to be made in this new market, that's why they're "bothering" to support it.

[Exposed]

OK I meant Vive's but the damn spell checker changed it!

Wait a minute or you Jimbo?

[LordHawkwind]

Wait a minute or you Jimbo?

What, who, no I'm not.

Exposed I'm not saying VR won't become mainstream I'm just saying it's at least 5-10 years away as per the Gartner chart. The costs have to come down sharply for it to succeed and at the moment whether you use a console, mobile or PC the cost is pretty prohibitive for it to gain mainstream traction.

A lot of devs will play with it like some did with 3D but ultimately mass adoption needs to happen for it really to take off and that is many years ahead. The road to mass adoption is littered with many failed technologies and early adopters who ended up getting burned.

[Cream]

vr was going to be in the Billions and Billions in the 90's and 00's also and never happened
people have been hyping VR for 25+ years and it is always just going to be big next year or so

https://www.wareable.com/gaming/top-vr-games-for-oculus-rift-project-morpheus-gear-vr-and-project-cardboard

till you can play all your pc games and all new aaa games out of the box on it and not have to buy two versions of the same game or a special vr version
it is going to be just a passing fad

and we have seen with sli/cfx how well the games developers like doing extra work for a smaller market

Odd,
No

project cars
assetto corsa
Dirt rally
elite and dangerous

[dmanna]

What, who, no I'm not.

Exposed I'm not saying VR won't become mainstream I'm just saying it's at least 5-10 years away as per the Gartner chart. The costs have to come down sharply for it to succeed and at the moment whether you use a console, mobile or PC the cost is pretty prohibitive for it to gain mainstream traction.

A lot of devs will play with it like some did with 3D but ultimately mass adoption needs to happen for it really to take off and that is many years ahead. The road to mass adoption is littered with many failed technologies and early adopters who ended up getting burned.

This seems pretty obvious and basically common sense. Its going to take a lot of money to advance this tech into the future.

[bill dennison]

Odd,
No

project cars
assetto corsa
Dirt rally
elite and dangerous

I have not bought a car driving game since the Atari 2600 just not my type of game, maybe because I drive a work truck all day


elite dangerous I bought a long time ago and wanted to break the joystick trying to turn faster
have not looked at it in a year+

...
call me when most all pc games just run on it and they get to 4k per eye

like
fallout 4, 5 or maybe 6
deus ex mankind divided or the next one
portal 3

or

half life 3 .................

[KAC]

Which are great VR games to play on Vive or Rift?

[LordHawkwind]

Again the data is right in front of you but you refuse to see it because of your personal bias/opinions.

PS4 VR just launched and it's outselling the PS4 in Japan:

http://ps4daily.com/2016/10/playstation-vr-outsells-the-ps4-during-launch-in-japan/

VR Hardware sales alone overall account for just under one billion, while software sales have already exceeded it:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/426486/virtual-reality-software-revenue-worldwide/

This is why we have major software devs embracing VR, like Epic and Bethesda. There is much money to be made in this new market, that's why they're "bothering" to support it.

Now by most people's standards a billion dollars is a lot of money but let's put that into perspective. Apple has just announced last quarter revenue of $46.9bn with net income of $9bn. They expect full year revenue of around $215bn and that is just one tech company. When you throw in all the other major tech players $1bn begins to look pretty inconsequential when you think that is for the whole VR industry.

Just my 2c's

[Exposed]

That comparison is completely invalid. You're still looking for excuses to downplay VR for some reason.

PC Gaming sales doesn't even comprise 46 billion or whatever number you want to throw out:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/mobile-game-revenue-to-pass-console-pc-for-first-time.html

Comparing to a tech giant like Apple, a company that has nothing to do with gaming or VR, is completely absurd.

VR is a niche, but it's a billion dollar niche that's rapidly growing. That's why you have not one, but three independent sources tracking exponential growth rates over the next decade. We've already seen the jump from 2014 to 2015 and now 2016 (and we're not even including PS4 VR numbers yet since it just launched).

This is not "theory", this is cold hard facts with cold hard cash exchanged.

[bill dennison]

other opinions

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-newest-trend-in-tech-is-for-now-dead-on-arrival-2016-05-18

http://www.geek.com/news/the-dream-of-virtual-reality-is-dead-for-now-1647884/

[Exposed]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them. In my opinion Nvidia offers the best 4k gaming experience, but Bill insists on sticking with the inferior Fury X's because of his dislike for Nvidia.

Much like his disdain for VR, where opinion gets in the way of hard facts.

Like these:

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/10/the-playstation-vr-outsold-the-ps4-in-japan/

http://vrsource.com/new-forecasts-suggest-the-vr-industry-will-grow-over-30-times-by-2020-3745/

[bill dennison]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them. In my opinion Nvidia offers the best 4k gaming experience, but Bill insists on sticking with the inferior Fury X's because of his dislike for Nvidia.

Much like his disdain for VR, where opinion gets in the way of hard facts.

Like these:

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/10/the-playstation-vr-outsold-the-ps4-in-japan/

http://vrsource.com/new-forecasts-su...-by-2020-3745/

no just pascal I have two 980's I keep both sli and cfx systems
and the best 4k gaming experience is having both .

and would have bought two 1080 ti and I did plan on it if they had supported dx12 this time and had not jacked prices again
but till volta my two 980 Poseidon's are doing ok and till vega my fury x's are doing fine

In my opinion VR is way too early to tell but looks to be following the same small niche it has always been like last time

Sony may save it if they get the games for it

[Exposed]

no just pascal I have two 980's I keep both sli and cfx systems
and the best 4k gaming experience is having both .

and would have bought two 1080 ti and I did plan on it if they had supported dx12 this time and had not jacked prices again
but till volta my two 980 Poseidon's are doing ok and till vega my fury x's are doing fine

In my opinion VR is way too early to tell but looks to be following the same small niche it has always been like last time

Sony may save it if they get the games for it

It's a much bigger niche now than it ever was. Those examples you gave never even got off to a start, the technology just wasn't there.

You're thinking VR is intended to replace regular gaming, which is absolutely wrong. VR is an entirely different platform (POV where YOU are the center of the game), and games are designed around that. You expect VR to fail because AAA games like Tomb Raider/ Assassin's Creed won't be on it? That just means you really don't know what VR is.

[dmanna]

When new tech launches you always see alot of the early adopters shell out the money for it. Oculus and Vive were sold out for months. And then sales died.

The Ps4 VR may become a commercial success. But going by early numbers is not really indicative of how successful it will be.

The Kinect was the fastest selling consumer electronic device to ever hit the market. Sold 10 million really fast and then it died.

But apparently companies see a future with VR, MS is now coming out with cheap VR headsets, all there hardware companies are going to be making there own versions.

[Exposed]

Can't say for the Vive but sales for the Rift hasn't died. I know exactly what you're referring to, the "Steam survey" that assumes all users use the steam store (I don't, as with many others). That's just click mongering based on a really small subset of steam users.

http://www.techradar.com/news/wearables/palmer-luckey-blasts-reports-of-oculus-rift-sales-tanking-1328211

[LordHawkwind]

MS isn't producing the headsets and this is how it's been explained..

"Manufactured by Microsoft partners like Asus, Acer, Lenovo, HP, and Dell."

I'm presuming MS will be collaborating with their partners on the tech and software but that each partner will develop their own headset and price it accordingly. The only unifying thing will be they will all work on Windows 10. Bet they won't work on Windows 7

[tjf81]

I just got the Oculus Rift this weekend. So far I'm loving it! I've played Lucky's Tale, Eve Valkyrie, Subnautica, and Chronos so far. I want more though! Can you guys recommend some killer apps for the Oculus?

[badboy]

I just got the Oculus Rift this weekend. So far I'm loving it! I've played Lucky's Tale, Eve Valkyrie, Subnautica, and Chronos so far. I want more though! Can you guys recommend some killer apps for the Oculus?

IMO
Damaged Core - BUY NOW
Edge of Nowhere - BUY NOW
Dreadhalls - If you want to curl up on the floor and cry out of fear
Apollo 11 - Not a game but a fantastic experiance
Fated - Interactive story type game
Blazerush - really fun arcade racing game, has multiplayer and rocket league gametype

Heard very good things about but havent played because its not my type of gameplay
Obduction - Myst like game
Defense Grid 2 - If you like tower defense

If you havent yet, preorder Touch!!

[Nagorak]

I'm not sure what the deal is with the VR-haters having to come in and tell everyone how VR sucks, etc, without ever even having tried it themselves.

[OzzieBloke]

I'm not sure what the deal is with the VR-haters having to come in and tell everyone how VR sucks, etc, without ever even having tried it themselves.

Tried them all.

I don't hate it, but just don't think it's all the way there yet. It's like having a semi-on. You can try all you want to get a semi-on into a tight vagina, but it's just not going to happen. You just can't get into it. Hence the current lack of penetration in the market.

Once it's rock-hard, then I'll start boning that tight VRgina. Not before.

[tjf81]

IMO
Damaged Core - BUY NOW
Edge of Nowhere - BUY NOW
Dreadhalls - If you want to curl up on the floor and cry out of fear
Apollo 11 - Not a game but a fantastic experiance
Fated - Interactive story type game
Blazerush - really fun arcade racing game, has multiplayer and rocket league gametype

Heard very good things about but havent played because its not my type of gameplay
Obduction - Myst like game
Defense Grid 2 - If you like tower defense

If you havent yet, preorder Touch!!

Cool! Thanks man. I got Damaged Core, Edge of Nowhere, and Defense Grid. Of course I got Touch pre-ordered .

[acroig]

It's like having a semi-on. You can try all you want to get a semi-on into a tight vagina, but it's just not going to happen. You just can't get into it. Hence the current lack of penetration in the market.

Once it's rock-hard, then I'll start boning that tight VRgina. Not before.

Awesome post, +rep.

[MangaSpawn64]

I'm not sure what the deal is with the VR-haters having to come in and tell everyone how VR sucks, etc, without ever even having tried it themselves.

I was kinda on the fence on VR, but after trying PS VR I gotta have it

Not sure what I'll buy.

[CyanBlues]

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doom 3 bfg full roomscale, motion control mod thank god for open source

[badboy]

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doom 3 bfg full roomscale, motion control mod thank god for open source

Yeah saw that, its awesome

But there is always the problem with motion sickness in something like that

[noko]

Makes me want to get a Vive.

[badboy]

Some touch game reviews are hitting the web

Unspoken:

http://uploadvr.com/the-unspoken-review-touch/

Final Score: 9/10 – Amazing

The Unspoken is a message from Oculus and Insomniac that the next level of VR gaming has arrived. This is a title that could only ever work in a VR headset and it succeeds because of, rather than in spite of, the unique capabilities of its platform. The Unspoken represents everything that is fun about playing games in VR and has all the makings of an iconic title we will still be talking about for years to come.

VR Sports Challenge

http://uploadvr.com/vr-sports-challenge-review-touch/

Final Score: 8.5 – Great

VR Sports Challenge is a fantastic entry point for Oculus Touch users and a truly enjoyable experience in its own right. It has hours of content, nearly infinite replayability, and enough creatively designed game modes to keep you coming back again and again. This is much more than a simple launch-day mini-game collection and if this is the type of game Oculus is giving away for free, we can’t wait to see what it comes up with next.

Medium

http://uploadvr.com/medium-review-touch/

So Medium is a fun program to demonstrate Touch and to experience creating objects from scratch. But it is not the best for making something useful to use beyond Medium itself. Of course, this is just the launch of Touch and Medium. Oculus has room to add more tutorials, more tools, more functions, more output files, and build Medium into something more than a curiosity. It is a meaningful experience to create art, but it is also wonderful to share it with the world so others can delight in it as well.

2 more weeks

[badboy]

Oculus Rift DK2.

Oculus gets xbox streaming!

http://news.xbox.com/2016/11/22/xbox-one-game-streaming-coming-windows-10-pcs-oculus-rift/

[dmanna]

Oculus gets xbox streaming!

http://news.xbox.com/2016/11/22/xbox...s-oculus-rift/

Wait I don't get it.. why is this cool? I'm serious I am to tired to read the article and this doesnt make sense to me.

[CyanBlues]

Makes me want to get a Vive.

I should work perfectly fine on the rift once touch comes out too, it should already work with just xbox controller or keyboard and mouse on rift.

[badboy]

Wait I don't get it.. why is this cool? I'm serious I am to tired to read the article and this doesnt make sense to me.

Some like to play their 2d games in an enviroment and big screen in vr

Lots of apps like this for VR already this one is just configured for the xbox streaming

For me the resolution is too poor for something like this but when it gets better this will be the best way to play 2d games, it will be like playing your game in a movie theater

[CyanBlues]

Penumbra Overture VR mod release with full motion control, who's ready to get scared?

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[Exposed]

Man I'm really tired of all these horror games for VR. My heart can't take it all! And I'm being serious!