Official VR Headset discussion

[Exposed]

Alright sounds good to me. I'll see how it goes with the 780Ti, maybe pick up a 1070 later but I don't plan on playing any games, just mainly simulators.

[Mangler]

wasnt 480 about a 980ti? That would be sufficient for now, but with a 780ti I would hold out until 1070 prices come down or get bundles or something and you be better off in VR land in the long run.
Plus upping the pixel setting (forgot exact term) in VR makes a big diff so you will want the extra hp.

I was using my rift just fine with a 770 with settings turned down of course, but you are fine to wait it out.

Nope, it's roughly equal to the vanilla 980, the TI is out of its reach.

[CyanBlues]

probably better off with 1070 also would probably go ask on r vive or r oculus to see if anyone has a 1070 and how it performs on the respective headsets.

[night]

I have a rift and 1070

There is no problems with anything made for VR.
Though I have personally been praying/hoping for an updated GTA5 VR mod, it is only going to be graphic intensive games adapted to VR that could really push it. All else is very specifically tailored to that 970 recommended target.

[Exposed]

Got my Rift today. Installed it.

HOLY **** THAT DINOSAUR SCENE! I was literally scared shitless.

Overall there's a noticable screen door effect and things were low resolution, which probably had to do with my old graphics card. Ordered a 1070 and called it a day.

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Got my Rift today. Installed it.

HOLY **** THAT DINOSAUR SCENE! I was literally scared shitless.

Overall there's a noticable screen door effect and things were low resolution, which probably had to do with my old graphics card. Ordered a 1070 and called it a day.

Someday I'll experience that.
Is the screen door effect bad enough to ruin the experience? Do you find yourself thinking about it?

[Exposed]

I thought it was a bit distracting at first, until the alien landscape and t rex coming down your ass part LOL.

There was also another demo of you in a high rise building. I swear I got vertigo.

[Exposed]

So far I've only experienced the default demos and some free apps, like Body VR and Mythos. Visual quality reminds me of like 640x480 but I will attribute that to the old 780Ti, since I get a constant message my card is not VR ready.

Body VR was real interesting....only did the first few minutes tour, but it's basically like Fantastic Voyage where you're in a tiny capsule and traveling throughout the human body. Whenever the platform moved, i swear I felt the ground underneath me move as well LOL. I guess I am a sucker for VR trickery.

Mythos was creepy as hell, though it wasn't a horror game. If you were inside a tomb with only a flashlight you'd probably be unnerved as well.

Need to get my 1070 ASAP so I can everything in more detail, although the default low detail is still incredibly good.

[OzzieBloke]

So far I've only experienced the default demos and some free apps, like Body VR and Mythos. Visual quality reminds me of like 640x480 but I will attribute that to the old 780Ti, since I get a constant message my card is not VR ready.

Body VR was real interesting....only did the first few minutes tour, but it's basically like Fantastic Voyage where you're in a tiny capsule and traveling throughout the human body. Whenever the platform moved, i swear I felt the ground underneath me move as well LOL. I guess I am a sucker for VR trickery.

Mythos was creepy as hell, though it wasn't a horror game. If you were inside a tomb with only a flashlight you'd probably be unnerved as well.

Need to get my 1070 ASAP so I can everything in more detail, although the default low detail is still incredibly good.

You're not going to get any better visual fidelity by using a faster card, at least not the way I reason it. The issue isn't the rendering speed or detail, it's the fact that you're magnifying an image very close to your eyes. The area that is in your main FOV is very much likely to be equivalent to a 640x480 image on a monitor because of limited resolution that can currently be rendered to both eyes, predominantly because of the native display, the way the lenses work, and only a little due to the rendering power of your graphics card.

I would be inclined to try your Rift with someone/somewhere that has a higher-spec card/system and confirm this for yourself. This is why I'm personally waiting for higher-res displays and the more powerful graphics cards required to drive them appropriately for VR.

[badboy]

You're not going to get any better visual fidelity by using a faster card, at least not the way I reason it. The issue isn't the rendering speed or detail, it's the fact that you're magnifying an image very close to your eyes. The area that is in your main FOV is very much likely to be equivalent to a 640x480 image on a monitor because of limited resolution that can currently be rendered to both eyes, predominantly because of the native display, the way the lenses work, and only a little due to the rendering power of your graphics card.

I would be inclined to try your Rift with someone/somewhere that has a higher-spec card/system and confirm this for yourself. This is why I'm personally waiting for higher-res displays and the more powerful graphics cards required to drive them appropriately for VR.

Actually supersampling helps alot in cleaning up the image in VR
Many VR games have it in the options because of that

But yes we will need 8k displays for it to be good and 16k for it to be perfect.

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Actually supersampling helps alot in cleaning up the image in VR
Many VR games have it in the options because of that

But yes we will need 8k displays for it to be good and 16k for it to be perfect.

8k and 16k gaming sounds expensive. Is it more work for developer to add 8k support? Bring on the HDR panels before all that. I don't think I'll be alive to see 16k

[badboy]

8k and 16k gaming sounds expensive. Is it more work for developer to add 8k support? Bring on the HDR panels before all that. I don't think I'll be alive to see 16k

well for vr you really need those screens to not see the pixels

And there is foveated rendering in the future that will help with performance in vr at those resolutions
Other tech is also being developed to help drive down the performance cost.
There is something about that there is no need to render everything twice as you see 2 of almost the same image in VR so they are developing things to take away some of the performance hit there

[Exposed]

You're not going to get any better visual fidelity by using a faster card, at least not the way I reason it. The issue isn't the rendering speed or detail, it's the fact that you're magnifying an image very close to your eyes. The area that is in your main FOV is very much likely to be equivalent to a 640x480 image on a monitor because of limited resolution that can currently be rendered to both eyes, predominantly because of the native display, the way the lenses work, and only a little due to the rendering power of your graphics card.

I would be inclined to try your Rift with someone/somewhere that has a higher-spec card/system and confirm this for yourself. This is why I'm personally waiting for higher-res displays and the more powerful graphics cards required to drive them appropriately for VR.

I don't expect the screendoor effect to go away, but it seems everything is being rendered at a lower resolution to maintain 90fps. I'm more bothered by the low resolution than the mesh effect.

My 1070 came in today so I will test how much of a difference it makes. If anything, enabling 2x supersampling should offer a notable improvement in quality.

[jimjobob]

You're not going to get any better visual fidelity by using a faster card, at least not the way I reason it. The issue isn't the rendering speed or detail, it's the fact that you're magnifying an image very close to your eyes. The area that is in your main FOV is very much likely to be equivalent to a 640x480 image on a monitor because of limited resolution that can currently be rendered to both eyes, predominantly because of the native display, the way the lenses work, and only a little due to the rendering power of your graphics card.

I would be inclined to try your Rift with someone/somewhere that has a higher-spec card/system and confirm this for yourself. This is why I'm personally waiting for higher-res displays and the more powerful graphics cards required to drive them appropriately for VR.

There is a tool that will let you render your games up to 2x native and it makes it better to the point that you dont notice it. Also some videos that are higher res, its pretty much non existant in the closer parts of the image.

[Exposed]

As expected the 1070 didnt do anything regarding the mesh look, but jaggies are noticeably reduced. This is without using the debugging tool, using the debugging tool to set 2x supersampling the text looks real good compared to normal. It still looks like a 640x480 screen but a 640x480 screen with AA applied.

Though it's just a matter of fact we still need better screens, but I am perfectly happy with what we have now. I look forward to playing some more VR games.

I'm ESPECIALLY looking forward to Paranormal Activity VR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsna1ChGt0E

[OzzieBloke]

As expected the 1070 didnt do anything regarding the mesh look, but jaggies are noticeably reduced. This is without using the debugging tool, using the debugging tool to set 2x supersampling the text looks real good compared to normal. It still looks like a 640x480 screen but a 640x480 screen with AA applied.

Though it's just a matter of fact we still need better screens, but I am perfectly happy with what we have now. I look forward to playing some more VR games.

I'm ESPECIALLY looking forward to Paranormal Activity VR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsna1ChGt0E

[Exposed]

well for vr you really need those screens to not see the pixels

And there is foveated rendering in the future that will help with performance in vr at those resolutions
Other tech is also being developed to help drive down the performance cost.
There is something about that there is no need to render everything twice as you see 2 of almost the same image in VR so they are developing things to take away some of the performance hit there

I'm a little skeptical about that. Currently that can be done by sharing the z buffer so the image doesn't have to be rendered twice. However, that results in "fake 3D". If VR ever goes that route, then I'm done with VR.

[OzzieBloke]

I'm a little skeptical about that. Currently that can be done by sharing the z buffer so the image doesn't have to be rendered twice. However, that results in "fake 3D". If VR ever goes that route, then I'm done with VR.

Yep, I definitely would not want anything like z-buffer sharing going on. But the foveate rendering is a really nifty idea to save processing power.

[Exposed]

For those about to get Oculus or Vive, I would recommend avoiding Adrift. This game is extremely disorientating and results in motion sickness rather quickly. I've had my Rift and this game for 2 weeks and I can only play this for a few minutes at a time. Any other VR game I am completely fine with, including platform movers like Lucky's Tales.

I wish I could get a refund on this game, not sure if I can ever finish it.

[jimjobob]

For those about to get Oculus or Vive, I would recommend avoiding Adrift. This game is extremely disorientating and results in motion sickness rather quickly. I've had my Rift and this game for 2 weeks and I can only play this for a few minutes at a time. Any other VR game I am completely fine with, including platform movers like Lucky's Tales.

I wish I could get a refund on this game, not sure if I can ever finish it.

That one really shouldn't do that to you. It had the inside of the helmet that is stationary that should prevent that. I bought it early on and didn't play it much because the helmet took too much away from the feeling of actually being there. It's also kind of boring.

[Exposed]

That one really shouldn't do that to you. It had the inside of the helmet that is stationary that should prevent that. I bought it early on and didn't play it much because the helmet took too much away from the feeling of actually being there. It's also kind of boring.

This is by far the worst feeling of VR for me. It's the fact you can float in any direction which is so hard on the senses. When I'm upside down in the game I feel like I'm really upside down. Floating around in all directions I get sick within 10 minutes.

No issues with any other VR games I tried.

But yeah, this game is pretty boring. The immersion is fantasic though, just can't do it for long periods.

[skyguy]

Just got Oculus Rift. Dirt Rally VR looks low res compared to some of the demos I've seen.

Strangely enough, using Tridef and Bigscreen has better pixel fidelity for my 3d games than playing these native vr games. This alone makes playing all those old games possible that I thought I wouldn't be able to play unless on a monitor or projector.

I think this has to due with the amount of 3d in the distance that the graphics cannot render 1:1 to the display.

I do like that I can play my older games in 3D on a 400 inch virtual screen and the pixel quality is up to par with a 1680x1050 resolution.

[Exposed]

It's becoming more and more apparent that in some games in VR and 2x supersampling, a 1070 is not enough. So far this is in Adrift and Project Cars.

Another game like that and I might just have to jump to a Titan X.

[badboy]

Damaged Core is out!!!!

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Downloading!

Damaged Core stands as the new high-water mark that VR game studios should strive to surpass. Its amazing execution should serve to catapult this entire industry into a higher level of excellence. Damaged Core is a brilliant game, an important game, and one that absolutely deserves the score you see above. The new king of VR shooters has arrived.

Now stop reading and go play it.

http://uploadvr.com/damaged-core-review-final/

EDIT: OMG One of the best VR games for the oculus I am dripping in sweat after 15 min of playing. Soo much action

[jimjobob]

Is there a way to use google street view with the CV1?

[OzzieBloke]

Damaged Core is out!!!!

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Downloading!

http://uploadvr.com/damaged-core-review-final/

EDIT: OMG One of the best VR games for the oculus I am dripping in sweat after 15 min of playing. Soo much action

This seems to take all the good things about VR and puts it all together well.

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Damaged Core is out!!!!
EDIT: OMG One of the best VR games for the oculus I am dripping in sweat after 15 min of playing. Soo much action

Do you get an adrenaline rush from it? The trailer didn't look exciting to me. Your reaction tells me it a lot better viewing it with the Oculus.

[LordHawkwind]

As expected the 1070 didnt do anything regarding the mesh look, but jaggies are noticeably reduced. This is without using the debugging tool, using the debugging tool to set 2x supersampling the text looks real good compared to normal. It still looks like a 640x480 screen but a 640x480 screen with AA applied.

Though it's just a matter of fact we still need better screens, but I am perfectly happy with what we have now. I look forward to playing some more VR games.

I'm ESPECIALLY looking forward to Paranormal Activity VR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsna1ChGt0E

So you pay about £400 for An Oculus Rift and it looks like 640x480? When you factor in the cost of the PC it's pretty expensive for such low res gaming. I get the 360 view can be amazing and you early adopters are all over it but for mainstream a VR headset will have to drop to about £80 or less for it to start getting real market penetration. That's some years off yet I think.

[badboy]

Do you get an adrenaline rush from it? The trailer didn't look exciting to me. Your reaction tells me it a lot better viewing it with the Oculus.

Definantly adrenalin rush
Trailers always suck for VR games because they cant convey the experiance

The game gets really really hard later on
Now I wish there was a difficult slider

[skyguy]

Crystal Rift is on sale at 3 dollars.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/345140/

Fun game with level editor too.

[Exposed]

So you pay about £400 for An Oculus Rift and it looks like 640x480? When you factor in the cost of the PC it's pretty expensive for such low res gaming. I get the 360 view can be amazing and you early adopters are all over it but for mainstream a VR headset will have to drop to about £80 or less for it to start getting real market penetration. That's some years off yet I think.

It's not pixel for pixel 640x480, it's actually 2160x1200. I only said it looks like a 640x480 image because the display is so close to your eyes you can see the tiny little pixels that make up the image. Hold up a photo on your smartphone close to your eyes and you'll see what I mean.

I'm at the point where it's not even noticeable anymore. Supersampling also helps, the image is quite realistic even with the current limitations. It is just something you have to see for yourself.

[badboy]

Another big Oculus game came out today!

Feral Rites

https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/940852485970061/

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I havent even finished Damaged Core yet, lots of work not much time to play

Didnt get good review: http://uploadvr.com/feral-rites-review-oculus-rift/

[badboy]

Feral rites is now $10 for the fall sale

[NIGELG]

So you pay about £400 for An Oculus Rift and it looks like 640x480? When you factor in the cost of the PC it's pretty expensive for such low res gaming. I get the 360 view can be amazing and you early adopters are all over it but for mainstream a VR headset will have to drop to about £80 or less for it to start getting real market penetration. That's some years off yet I think.

Or it will end up like 3d gaming and hardware PhysX....only for extreme nerds.

[Mangler]

Feral Rites looks like the result of a big studio phoning it in.

[badboy]

Oculus Rift DK2.

Had time to play some feral rite,
Its a standard beat em up game. Worth the $10

Gets a little repetitive but so do all beat em ups.

Seems like its really a big game from what I have seen maybe 8 hours gameplay

The review I posted is pretty much spot on
But for $10 its good

[Exposed]

Most of the new games coming out are action games, I prefer something slower paced in VR like an adventure or RPG.

Hopefully Obduction will get their VR version out sooner rather than later.

There seems to ALOT of horror games for the Rift, but my heart can only take so much.

[Progression]

I'd love a top-down RPG game like FF7 in VR.

[CyanBlues]

Most of the new games coming out are action games, I prefer something slower paced in VR like an adventure or RPG.

Hopefully Obduction will get their VR version out sooner rather than later.

There seems to ALOT of horror games for the Rift, but my heart can only take so much.

Hey Exposed, have you tested out the new drivers yet for the 1070 with your rift and to see if it's worst or not?

New driver seems to tank the fps for my vive so was curious how it is on your side.

[Mangler]

Glad I never bough one of these, memes are disgusting.

I cannot support a person that is pro-memes.