AMD's Radeon version of DLSS is called FSR and due out this year

[pax]

https://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-fi...nch-this-year/

It’s progressing very well internally in our lab, but it’s our commitment to the gaming community that it needs to be open that it needs to work across all things and game developers need to adopt it. Even though it’s progressing well, we still have more work to do and not only internally but with our game developer partners. We want to launch it this year. We believe we can do that this year, but at the same time we a lot more work ahead of us. We need to make sure the image quality is there. We need to make sure it can scale from different resolutions. And at the same time that our game developers are happy with what we are producing.

— Scott Herkelman (AMD)

If it only hits end of the year itll push a lot of people to wait for Navi 3.

[pax]

https://www.pcgamer.com/unreal-engin...ce=twitter.com

"UE5's new anti aliasing solution, temporal super resolution, keeps up with all this new geometric detail to create sharper, more stable images than before with quality approaching true native 4K at the cost of 1080p," Epic says.

Epic notes the following benefits for Temporal Super Resolution:

Output approaching the quality of native 4k renders at input resolutions as low as 1080p, allowing for both higher framerates and better rendering fidelity.
Less ghosting against high-frequency backgrounds.
Reduced flickering on geometry with high complexity.
Runs on any Shader Model 5 capable hardware: D3D11, D3D12, Vulkan, PS5, XSX. Metal coming soon.
Shaders specifically optimized for PS5's and XSX's GPU architecture.
Shaders specifically optimised for PS5 and Series X? That's AMD RDNA 2 optimised, then.

The native 4K frame manages 18.6 fps, while the 1080p rendered frame hits 43 fps.

This is the 2nd time Ive read of game engines adopting their own form of upscaling. At this rate it might not only kibosh DLSS but any gpu vendor tech like GSR/FSR imo...

[Greasy]

I have yet to use RT or DLSS since owning this 3080.

[bill dennison]

https://www.pcgamer.com/unreal-engin...ce=twitter.com




This is the 2nd time Ive read of game engines adopting their own form of upscaling. At this rate it might not only kibosh DLSS but any gpu vendor tech like GSR/FSR imo...

AMD says it has "worked closely with Epic to optimize TSR features on Radeon powered systems. A standard feature of UE5, TSR is enabled for all GPUs and provides state-of-the-art upscaling not just on PC, but on PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X/S, too."

https://www.pcgamer.com/unreal-engin...ce=twitter.com

[pax]

Ya definitely by optimizing for consoles its optimzed for RDNA by default. Whats great about this is you can run it on older gpus... at least as far back as RDNA1.

Tho rumor is GSR/FSR will go back further and run on RX480 on up.

[Trunks0]

Start keeping an eye out for UE5 videos showing off Temporal Super Resolution. I suspect, AMD's solution is going to be relatively similar as I also suspect it's using allot of the same techniques. EPIC worked with AMD on making sure UE5 would work well on Radeon hardware... but we have no idea if that included this feature.

This is the only video I've seen so far, where we get a peek at what it can look like. At the timestamped link below, he's rendering @ 25% resolution scale, which he says is 540p and he ramps up through the AA modes in UE5. The high and epic settings are EPIC's temporal super resolution. I'm impressed, but it's a pretty still shot. I want to see motion.

https://youtu.be/G3N24fo84sk?t=778

I suppose I could just download UE5 and see for myself maybe? Not sure my R9 Fury will work.

[pax]

Not bad. But ya we need to see things moving...

[Trunks0]

Not bad. But ya we need to see things moving...

I'm downloading UE5 preview and the Valley of the Ancients sample to see if I can test it out. Both are free btw, so anyone can do this. Below link has instructions.

https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en...yOfTheAncient/

My system is way WAY below the recommended specs in every category. So will be interesting

[pax]

Cool Il try that after work later... I have a Vega 64 hopefully that can run it somewhat half decent

[Trunks0]

Not the same tech remember, but still really cool to see something like this

[pax]

AMD just announced FXR at up from 50% to a whopping 3x perf increase. They call it spatial algorithm and anything RX 500 and up will use it.

Game showcased Godfall looked good at ultra quality for 50% perf increase. Theres 4 settings.

June 22nd!

Also next cool takeaway is the 3dv stacked ram on die that gives a 15% added perf in games from the ram alone. Coming end of this year in next series of cpus! Wonder if thats zen4 or zen3+ because they had a prototype running on current zen3 for that added 15% so any architectural change will also give more ipc on top...

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[pax]

I'm downloading UE5 preview and the Valley of the Ancients sample to see if I can test it out. Both are free btw, so anyone can do this. Below link has instructions.

https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en...yOfTheAncient/

My system is way WAY below the recommended specs in every category. So will be interesting

Running the tech demo now but you cant do much other than scroll thru the world... its smooth and highly detailed. In moving I end up clipping thru the world. Can go front or backwards and aim sideways with the mouseview but cant go up or down. Without an avatar to run in 3d its only moving the backgrounds. I can see her sitting there but cant take control of her.

Massive dual dl of ue5 then the demo sample.

Edit: ok ran the demo using right mouse button pressed to mouse point and arrow keys to move/fly... very smooth and nice area which is pretty huge...

[EYE4LYFE]

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Sent from my SM-F916U1 using Tapatalk

[pax]

Not the same tech remember, but still really cool to see something like this

OK just a warning UE5 and/or VOTA flooded my cloud one drive with its assets. Im struggling to get this **** out of there its mixed it in with all the photos.

[Ravens Nest]

Looks good but I did notice some blur on the right side where FXR is enabled, unless it was just me.

Still looking forward to using it though, see if it will help with my GeForce 970 lol

[Trunks0]

I can't wait to try it.

Looks good but I did notice some blur on the right side where FXR is enabled, unless it was just me.

Still looking forward to using it though, see if it will help with my GeForce 970 lol

I'm almost certain that a little bit of a good sharpening filter will rain in allot of the blur. What an odd state of graphics we are in

[pax]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...elityfx_super/

NEWSQuick Update Regarding FidelityFX Super Resolution on RX 470 and RX 480 self.Amd

Submitted 22 hours ago by AMD_MickeyRadeon Community Team4233 - announcement

Hi all,

I just wanted to pass on the news that we are updating the list of compatible AMD graphics for FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) to include Radeon RX 470 and RX 480.

We expect the website to be updated with this information sometime soon and we wanted to make sure you were aware.

Looking forward to having you all try FSR out on the 22nd. ✌️

Cheers.

-Mickey

Sweet! Always thought it weird they mentioned rx 500 and up...rx480 is basically just a slower rx 580.

[Trunks0]

Well all the GCN stuff is extremely similar. If it works on RX400 series and RX500 series it will likely work on R*-300, R*-200 and Fury series. So I look forward to the list growing

[pax]

Not sure about R200-R300 yet... I still have a R290 non x so that'd be nice.

But isnt Fury a Vega class gpu card?

BTW did you try the UE5 tech demo sampler? Have to say I was very impressed by the lack of popup when flying towards a mountain miles away... It just kept getting smoothly bigger and more detailed. Makes a big diff in making it feel more immersive.

[Trunks0]

Not sure about R200-R300 yet... I still have a R290 non x so that'd be nice.

But isnt Fury a Vega class gpu card?

R9 Fury's are Fiji based, which was GCN 3(Most of the R* 300 series). The Fury's used HBM, like Vega. But the Vega series is based on GCN 5.

BTW did you try the UE5 tech demo sampler? Have to say I was very impressed by the lack of popup when flying towards a mountain miles away... It just kept getting smoothly bigger and more detailed. Makes a big diff in making it feel more immersive.

I ran out of HDD space . I'm hoping I have time this week to remove some games to make space and then install it. Although by that time, some one might release a compiled UE5 demo that lets me look at the feature with less involvement

[pax]

Ya 200 gigs I didnt keep it long... Looking forward to more complete tech demos on UE5. Its truly next gen.

[Ravens Nest]

I can't wait to try it.



I'm almost certain that a little bit of a good sharpening filter will rain in allot of the blur. What an odd state of graphics we are in

Yeah I already run Nvidia sharpening.

It is strange even my mate who is pc master race is starting to look at a series x or ps5 because of the ridiculous pricing of pc parts now

[nutcrackr]

480 not supported. RIP me

EDIT: just read the thread properly and 480 is supported! YAY happy dance

[pax]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fide...ames-at-launch





Hope they add motion vectors eventually. But if Dice's Frostbyte, Crysis and Unity engines add uspcaling like Unreal did with motion vectors in their own engines it might not matter what GPU vendors do long term...

[Gandalfthewhite]

here is the difference with DLSS in terms of support and long term growth. It is an OPEN standard meaning people can look at modify and improve the code and the methods and gte it baked into the standard to improve it for everyone. and with larger studios on board that have inhouse engines that can actually put research into improvements I am more excited about the future of FSR.

[LordHawkwind]

here is the difference with DLSS in terms of support and long term growth. It is an OPEN standard meaning people can look at modify and improve the code and the methods and gte it baked into the standard to improve it for everyone. and with larger studios on board that have inhouse engines that can actually put research into improvements I am more excited about the future of FSR.

TBH I don't own any of the 7 games it launches with or any of the 12 coming soon either. Of the 44 game developers I've only heard of four of them. Don't get me wrong if a game launches and it works on my 3090 I'll enable FSR without a doubt. It's free so great.

I also own an XseriesX and EA seem to be the only developer that supports FSR that I play games on. Again I'll use it if available but think it might take a while to get mass adoption. Just my 2 C's.

[pax]

I think its little painful that CP2077 isnt on the radar yet but Im sure itll come at some point. They are just probably too swamped dealing with bugs with another recent patch at 600 megs worth to implement it for now...

[Gandalfthewhite]

more like you dont know you know them

acme - no idea
bloober - the medium , blair witch. layers of fear (basically specialize in horror games
crystal dynamics - tomb raider games , the marvel avengers game
digital sky - Chinese dev working on DT projekt (looks interesting but no idea so far)
FHI - a crap ton of games Vampyr, world war z as two of the more recent ones
Goati entertainment - chinese dev - 22 racing series
Kobold - swiss dev - no idea
midgar sutdios - edge of eternity , hover
nixxes - the folks who do the PC ports for crystal dynamics including tomb raider, deus ex MD , and marvel avengers
perfect world games - magic legends, final fantasy type-o online, neverwinter
rebelion - strange brigade , sniper elite games, evil genius 2
streum on studio - necrumunda , space hulk
the farm 51 - worked on the original witcher game, newer work chernobylite
umi co ltd - cant find info
vaki games - kingshunt
ashar stuios - does a lot of outsource work for other devs - worked on outsiders, baulders gate 3 , divinity original sin 2
capcom - resident evil , monster hunter, street fighter , etc...
cyan worlds - myst
EA - battlefield , star wars squadrons, need for speed, star wars jedi fallen order , so many more
gearbox - borderlands , homeworld
illfonic - friday the 13th , predator: hunting grounds
larian studios - divinity games, baulders gate 3
movie games - not sure
obsidian entertainment - so many for newer games pillars of eternity, the outer worlds
plastic - not sure
reflector entertainment - working on unknown9 awakening
superbright - in death unchained (vr game)
turtle rock studios - working on back 4 blood
unity - sounds like its being built into the engine
valve - who knows what they make anymore lol
avalanche software - working on hogwarts legacy
counterplay games - godfall
destructive creations - hatred
exor stuidos - riftbreaker
giants software - farming simulator
koch media - big list chivlary 2, metro exodus, saints row 3, wasteland 3, iron harvest etc...
luminous productions - made final fantasy 15 currently working on forspoken
my games - looks like russian dev hard to tell what games they have worked on
oxide inteactive - ashes of the singularity , star swarm
qloc - outsource studio that has worked on a TON of stuff including hellblade, cyberpunk 2077, outriders, MK11, returnal
sharkmmob - working on bloodhunt
teyon - terminator resistance, rambo other random stuff
ubisoft - too many to write
warner bros games - MK 11, hitman, middle earth : shadow of war, harry potter wizards united, lego games

[Nagorak]

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Hope they add motion vectors eventually. But if Dice's Frostbyte, Crysis and Unity engines add uspcaling like Unreal did with motion vectors in their own engines it might not matter what GPU vendors do long term...

What a surprise, Epic Games isn't on the list.

I'm not sure how the hell they ended up so deep in Nvidia's pocket.

[Trunks0]

Epic doesn't need to... They developed their own take with AMD's input called TSR (Temporal Super Resolution) for UE5 that is also hardware and platform agnostic...

[pax]

https://twitter.com/Broly_X1/status/1405793832445218817

The actual performance of the FSR is very good indeed. AMD is not bragging.
4:45 AM · Jun 18, 2021·Twitter for Android

vegeta
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Performance mode does make the image look bad, and I don't recommend it.Upside-down face

No surprise there. Itll be quality mode or none at all for me.

LaIn
@InJojo18
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And what about the image quality ? Do you have any information ?
vegeta
@Broly_X1
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Be satisfactory enough.

Vegeta is a big leaker so looks like its nowhere as near as bad as dlss 1.0.

[Mangler]

It's a shame borderlands 3 isn't on the list, it gets pretty demanding at higher resolutions.

[Mangler]

FSR at ultra quality seems to be a pretty good fit for 4k displays.

[SubCog]

FSR seems fine. Definitely an improvement over running at native lower resolutions, and the performance boost is well appreciated.

The big issue is at timestamp 11:10:
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[Greasy]

Initial reviews are positive. Much better than DLSS 1.0 was. This has serious potential IMO.

[pax]

I can see them adding TAAU in version 2.0 or whatever they will call it. And even motion vectors. The one thing we might never see is AI with ml previous image sampling that needs those tensor cores.

[Trunks0]

I can see them adding TAAU in version 2.0 or whatever they will call it. And even motion vectors. The one thing we might never see is AI with ml previous image sampling that needs those tensor cores.

We might actually. nVidia accelerates it using Tensor cores, but it's not necessarily needed. Control launched with DLSS 1.9 and it didn't use them at all, while getting perfectly great performance boosts. Yes 2.0 looks better than 1.9, but it proves the point that it can be done without tensor cores. Pre-trained AI's are generally not very performance intensive.

[pax]

MLID said that FSR proves you dont need tensor cores so you might be right... Will be interesting to see how both dlss and fsr evolve tho and if tensor cores are eventually made good use of...

Id like just one AAA game they could test with both. With FSR working OOTB on everything at least as old as Maxwell on nvidia it behooves to think amd worked so hard for so long to make it that easy for it to work day one on so much hardware so well. It makes nvidia look bad on one front but adds a feature to RTX gpus in the same vein.

And it really looks like its entirely gameside for it to work so far, tho the latest amd driver might have some optimizations we arent aware of yet. Maybe the game with FSR updates the driver and or api?

More I read about this the more my mind is blown... this feature works seemingly flawlessly on full range of generations of gpus going back almost a decade. Day one. They just ran it on the igpu of intel 11k gen...

[Falck]

Epic doesn't need to... They developed their own take with AMD's input called TSR (Temporal Super Resolution) for UE5 that is also hardware and platform agnostic...

Ironically UE5 TSR, among other technologies, is developed with guidance from AMD I read somewhere.

[Falck]

What is AWESOME is that the 21.6.1 fixed the ID5 problem I had! Great!