AMD's Radeon version of DLSS is called FSR and due out this year

[SubCog]

They say its not as fast and slightly lower IQ then FSR due to doing it fullscreen. I cant imagine UQ mode will be much changed.

From what I've gathered, the quality should be identical, except that FSR allows the devs to choose when & what layers to apply the upscaling too... So devs can apply FSR before they apply any noise effects (which FSR will just smear), and also keep FSR separate from UI elements.

RSR will upscale everything, including UI elements and distortion effects, which may be sub-optimal for those components.

Otherwise FSR & RSR should be the same.

[Trunks0]

If you want an idea of what it will look like YouTube for vids of using FSR in Linux via the "proton fullscreen hack". Or vids using "Magpie" &/or "Lossless Scaling App". All these methods produce results that are going to be highly similar to what AMD is bringing driver side.

It works like a charm basically. I've had pretty great results in a few games using the lossless scaling app

[SubCog]

"Privacy View" seems like a neat feature. Looks like it uses a webcam to black/blur out parts of the screen that you're not looking at.

I wonder if they could leverage this capability into a foveated rendering solution? Theoretically you could bump up FPS alot by doubling down on this. We'll be seeing more foveated rendering happening in VR headsets this year, so it seems like this should eventually trickle down to PC gaming too. This, plus FSR, could be amazing at increasing battery life on gaming laptops.

https://youtu.be/OrJp1CPRJJE?t=18

[SubCog]

Looks like the update is out now, so that's neat. I'll have to play with it later today, after my morning meetings.

[Trunks0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKD98lTqilQ
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One of our first looks at FSR 2.0 in DeathLoop. 2.0 is temporal like DLSS 2.x, but doesn't use a pre-trained AI.

[SubCog]

I've been playing with RSR this morning. It's neat. Some of my observations:

• Not as good as native (duh)
  
  
• Can look really good, scaling from 2560p to 1440p (I'm on a 1440p monitor). Definitely works best when scaling from higher resolutions.
  
  
• Still looks ok-ish scaling from 1080p to 1440p... maybe a bit better than having RSR turned off... but still pretty blurry.
  
  
• For best results, you should restart the game any time you change resolution. The scaling seems to be tied to whatever res the game boots at.
  
  
• In Doom Eternal, I had to disable "Present from compute", as that was adding significant input lag when running RSR.
  
  
• RSR works poorly with dynamic resolution scaling, or really any kind of in-game scaling. It really works best when you just stick to whatever resolution the game boots at. Too bad, 'cause I actually think FSR/RSR could be a killer feature if it worked great with dynamic scaling. Imagine running at native res, until you start dropping frames, at which point you drop resolution but turn on FSR, perfectly tuned for that lower resolution, and FSR dynamically adjusts along with the dynamic resolutions. I actually think that's the ultimate use-case for this kind of scaling tech. But no, it can't do anything like that in it's current form.
  
  
• Does not respect your aspect ratio settings. If you play a 4:3 game, it'll stretch it to fill your widescreen monitor. They'll definitely need to fix this in a later update.
  
  
• I tried some super-low resolutions in UT2004, just for giggles. It's actually a neat low-res filter.

This afternoon I'll try some VR stuff. I want to see if it plays nice with MSFS over Virtual Desktop, and also see if I can pump up the resolution in Robo Recall.

[Trunks0]

Personal fav with the Lossless Scaling App was to upscale from 900p to 1080p. Was a nice little boost with very small drop in quality

[SubCog]

So far the only game I've really found RSR to be useful for (beyond just checking out) on my system is Far Cry 3. Far Cry 3 is still strangely demanding at high resolutions, and bumping down the res a bit allows me to push all other settings to ultra and maintain high framerates. RSR adds a bit of crispness that was sorely missing when I bumped the resolution down without it. Maybe I'll finally give it a play-through?

I'm running a mid-range AMD gpu (6700xt) on a 144hz 1440p ultra-widescreen. It's plenty powerful enough for most everything I throw at it... although I admit I rarely buy new games, so I haven't tried Elden Ring or God of War or anything like that.

Doom Eternal can definitely chug with RT enabled, but it already has really great dynamic scaling built in, and RSR isn't really much of an improvement. I think I prefer just turning RT down low and running at full resolution.

I've been playing with RSR for VR, and I think there's alot of potential there, but definitely needs a bit more testing.

So RSR is a good feature, I'm glad to have it, but honestly has limited functionality unless you're running on a low-end GPU or trying to run cutting-edge games. I imagine this kind of stuff is going to be amazing for people playing on laptops though.

[Trunks0]

I think I might end up using RSR @ 3200x900 to 3840x1080p with Apex Legends. The frame rate boost seems to be helping me stay fluid... although I just might be having a good night . Further testing needed, as I wasn't paying attention to frame rates closely.

[pax]

Looks like FSR 2.0 will come to lower end HW after all:


https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/1506696898085892099

Radeon RX
@Radeon
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Broad hardware support remains a focus of #FSR 2.0, despite the higher demand of advanced temporal upscaling. While we're not constraining compatibility, we do have some recommendations for hardware and target upscaling resolutions.

Let us know how FSR works on your system!

Shows RX 590 and Vega series supported nice.

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/...unread-message

FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 Optimal Starting Level Hardware*

Target Upscaling Resolution AMD Graphics Cards NVIDIA® Graphics Cards

4K
Radeon™ RX 6700 XT
Radeon™ RX 5700
(And above)

GeForce RTX™ 3070
GeForce RTX™ 2070
(And above)

1440P
Radeon™ RX 6600
Radeon™ RX 5600
Radeon™ RX Vega Series
(And above)

GeForce RTX™ 3060
GeForce RTX™ 2060
GeForce® GTX 1080
(And above)

1080P
Radeon™ RX 6500 XT
Radeon™ RX 590
(And above)

GeForce® GTX 16 Series
GeForce® GTX 1070
(And above)

*Recommendations may change.

[SubCog]

Fascinating stuff. Will be interesting to see it in action once it launches.

I still think there's a place for high quality spatial-only upscaling though. It's a great fall-back for games that don't support temporal vectors. Especially for a driver-level implemented like RSR, it really is the ultimate fall-back for everything. Hopefully they'll continue to update FSR 1.0 as well?

Good to see xbox support for FSR 2.0... I assume it'll also work on PS5, right?

[pax]

Having it on Xbox helps adoption greatly no doubt. Theres no info on PS5 yet but hard to see them ignore it. Seems like an easy form of upscaling to implement. Especially if a game is already using dlss apparently. Really happy to see something so close to dlss have such wide gpu coverage. Probably work on intel gpus as well I bet.

[Trunks0]

The Technologies of FORSPOKEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq_eXMA5KqM

The Technologies of FORSPOKEN
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*screen cap*

May already be in use PS5 side.

[Mangler]

It might also just be CAS.

[Trunks0]

It might also just be CAS.

Possible it's just FSR 1.0 in use for PS5 given it does say FSR 2.0 in development.

[Trunks0]

God of Wars updated with FSR 2.0!

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That was fast o_o

*update*
NOPE! Typo!

https://steamcommunity.com/app/15935...3459031689725/

Patch 1.0.9] FSR Typo in UI
Hi All –

We’ve seen comments from players asking about the presence of FSR 2.0 in the UI since we released Patch 1.0.9. We wanted to clarify that it was a mistake on our end and that FSR 2.0 is not currently included in God of War.

We apologize for any confusion and will amend it in the UI as soon as possible.

Thank you!
- God of War Team

https://updatecrazy.com/god-of-war-p...otes-official/

God of War Patch 1.0.10 Notes – March 24, 2022
Fixed typo in UI regarding the FSR version.
Implemented retries for missing Steam achievements.

[bill dennison]

AMD's new FSR 2.0 upscaling tech boosts perf by huge 147% in DEATHLOOP

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/85269...oop/index.html

[SubCog]

After playing more with FSR/RSR more, I really think this line of spatial-upscaling tech is immensely useful for a bunch of stuff... just not necessarily what people immediately think of. It's clear that new games are going to be using high-end temporal upscaling moving forward, and that will be superior to any kind of upscaling. If you're on a reasonably powerful desktop computer, you'll be able to use temporal upscaling for new games that will challenge your GPU... whereas your GPU will probably run most older games at native-res anyway, negating the need for upscaling at all.

But there's still tons of areas that I think RSR/FSR/spatial upscaling is really going to be great for.

1. Playing older games on mobile devices like laptops or steam deck. Games that will never support temporal upscaling, and it probably wouldn't be necessary on a desktop-class gaming PC anyway. Especially for upscaling Steam Deck games to a gaming monitor, for example.
   
   
2. VR. There's a variety of toolkits that allow you to add FSR into VR games already, and that's neat and useful. But the ultimate solution will be embedded into the headset itself. For native Quest apps, building in an RSR implementation will be very beneficial. For PC apps running on Quest (via Link or Virtual Desktop), rendering a lower-res image and streaming it at high bit-rates to the headset, and then performing FSR on the headset itself, will be massively beneficial.
   
   
3. Any kind of game streaming, where you can stream a lower-res screen and upscale with FSR.
   
   
4. Embedded into portable devices like Nintendo Switch.
   
   
5. Might have some benefits for emulating old console games, compared to other upscaling filters.
   
   
6. HDMI upscaling devices similar to Mclassic or Retrotink. Built to upscale anything from old devices to 4k. Might be interesting to combine with scanline filters, etc. (?)

Additional thoughts:

• One of the biggest challenges for an RSR-style use case is going to be handling dynamic resolutions. Especially for that last bullet, where an HDMI upscaler could be amazing for a Switch or xbone, to make an image more presentable on a 4k screen. Problem is, many games on those platforms utilize dynamic resolutions. You'd really need a spatial upscaler that was more resilient against that. I still think a spatial upscaler could do the job, but it might need a more robust algorithm.
  
  
• I've been playing with running RSR at custom resolutions, especially low resolutions, and getting a feel for what it's good for. Many people say they would never run FSR/RSR except at the ultra quality setting, but I think that's missing the point a bit. Upscaling from lower resolutions won't give you a high-detail image that looks 4k, but it will give you a low-detail image that is presentable on a 4k screen. I've been running Far Cry 3 at 600p with RSR, for example, and I find myself saying "I would totally play this and love it if I were playing on a mid-range laptop GPU", for example... of course I wouldn't actually play that way on my desktop computer, except just to experiment with it.
  
  
• As for VR, I've been playing MSFS with OpenXR Toolkit over Virtual Desktop, and it's really great. By far the best image quality & performance I've gotten on MSFS out of my mid-range system. I'd love to be able to apply FSR/RSR to everything in VR, and I'd actually play that way. There's at least 3 toolkits available, but they're still a bit primitive, and you can't just have it work on everything. Also, running FSR on your computer is sub-optimal, because then you have to stream a much higher-res image to your headset... Quest has a limited bandwidth for streaming video, so some of the advantages of FSR are undone from the compression artifacting. It would be far better to stream the low-res image to the headset at higher quality, and then apply FSR on the headset itself.
  
  
• Although at first glance it seems like RSR might be a perfect blanket solution for upscaling VR games, actually VR really exposes the limitations of RSR. Because RSR upscales to your monitor's native resolution, what does that mean when you're wanting to display on your headset? The VR rendering pipeline is just different. Games must use OpenVR, OpenXR, or OculusVR to determine many aspects of their rendering, including the render target, and then many games allow you to adjust resolution as a % of that target within the game itself. Then consider game streaming over Virtual Desktop, which has its own render target. I don't think its possible to implement RSR at a driver level that can work with with VR... it has to be worked into the VR pipeline itself.