Official AMD Radeon RX 7000 Series (RDNA 3) Thread

[pax]

Besides rumors are RDNA4 might not be that far out:

https://wccftech.com/amd-talks-rdna-...n-near-future/

On a closing note, Rick Bergman, AMD's EVP of Computing & Graphics Business Group) shared the GPU strategy and promised to evolve to the RDNA 4 generation of GPUs with higher performance than what we got with RDNA 3. What's even more interesting is that the word "Near Future" was used which would suggest that the next-gen might be coming sooner but we still expect to see those in 2024 as the red team has various RDNA 3 launches planned throughout 2023.

Summer 2024 I think unless they can put out a driver that ups perf on Navi3. I imagine its possible they just put out a driver that ups RT perf on navi2 by 40% in one test...

https://www.newsdirectory3.com/amd-r...atest-drivers/

AMD Radeon RX 6000 “RDNA 2” GPU, up to 40% better ray tracing performance for 3DMark DXR with the latest drivers.

[LordHawkwind]

Seeing all the issues with the 7900XTX I think I'll swerve a GPU upgrade this time around. I really don't need to upgrade from my RTX 3900 as Pax said so I'll wait until next year to see what AMD bring out. Sad AMD just can't to seem to get their GPU launch right even now in 2023. Well that's the way it is I guess.

[CyanBlues]

I am running into that memory clock bug where it refuses to idle. AMD still has yet to fix it apparently. Usually people with multiple high refresh rate monitors get it, but somehow I'm seeing it with my single 55" 4K TV running at only 120Hz refresh.

I have multiple and I def get it.

[DeathKnight]

I am running into that memory clock bug where it refuses to idle. AMD still has yet to fix it apparently. Usually people with multiple high refresh rate monitors get it, but somehow I'm seeing it with my single 55" 4K TV running at only 120Hz refresh.

[DeathKnight]

I'm on a 5800x

[CyanBlues]

Got the card and installed it. Looks to run awesome. 55C under full load. Dead Space runs way better. Game is still plagued with the random stutters though. Hopefully the devs will continue to work on that. Now to try some other stuff.

Some benches...

Time Spy

3080: 16174
7900XTX: 24426

Time Spy Extreme

3080: 7969
7900XTX: 11944

Port Royal

3080: 11192
7900XTX: 15674 (not a huge gain but that's to be expected)

What's your computer spec?

I'm on 5950x and this is my Merc

Time Spy
26119 Default
28352 OC

Time Spy Extreme
14020 Default
15372 OC

Port Royal
16157 Default
17605 OC

[pax]

Thanks... noise is a subjective issue tho so I look at many opinions on it not just reviewers. Id read asrock was bad for noisy fans but local buds asrock 6700xt wasnt an issue unless gaming and then you could hear the fans a bit but just barely above case fans. Whisper quiet on desktop. Some had said XFX was noisier than others as well.

[DeathKnight]

The card has a bit higher stock clocks than reference. Not running any current overclock on it though. Noise is good until fan speed gets to around 50% or so then it gets audible above the rest of the system.

[pax]

Decent numbers... I wasnt expecting the 40% increase in port royal score tho I hadnt looked at that in reviews much. Thought it would roughly be maybe +10-15%. Is that score stock or oced? Hows the card for noise?

[DeathKnight]

Got the card and installed it. Looks to run awesome. 55C under full load. Dead Space runs way better. Game is still plagued with the random stutters though. Hopefully the devs will continue to work on that. Now to try some other stuff.

Some benches...

Time Spy

3080: 16174
7900XTX: 24426

Time Spy Extreme

3080: 7969
7900XTX: 11944

Port Royal

3080: 11192
7900XTX: 15674 (not a huge gain but that's to be expected)

[pax]

Acer getting into the DIY AIB market with AMD after doing it first for intel arc.

Kind of cool mix of blower and standard cooler:

https://wccftech.com/acer-planning-t...he-diy-market/

PC manufacturer, Acer, is planning to enter the market with its second line of custom GPUs based on AMD's Radeon RX 7900 series graphics cards.

Under the Acer Predator brand... Acer says it wont do Nvidia for now.

[KAC]

Tell us how you like it especially with RTX and stuff.

[pax]

Not bad considering for an AIB model. Id read theres not much diff between most of the top AIB models in terms of how much they oc and the gpu heats... Id not pay 100$ more for a saphirre over a powercolor or xfx...

[DeathKnight]

It was $1150 USD from Amazon. I wanted to get it from Best Buy because it was cheaper ($1100) but it was out of stock this morning. I checked again and it's back in stock so I cancelled the Amazon order and ordered it from Best Buy. It will arrive a lot quicker too (by this Thursday instead of early next week).

[pax]

Get a good deal on it? up here its ~2000$ OTR even for MBA's... bout same for 4080's and 4090's are more like 3000$. Dont know many up here who are in that market... I might bite if the refresh pushed the standard 7900xtx below 1000$.

[DeathKnight]

Bit the bullet and purchased the XFX Merc310 7900XTX. Supposed to arrive by Feb 7th from Amazon (their lead times on a lot of in stock items have gotten really horrendous lately). The 10GB VRAM on my MSI 3080 just isn't cutting the mustard anymore, especially for 4K with settings cranked, like in the new Dead Space remake.

[pax]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/3d...-rdna3-amd-gpu

Semiconductor engineer Tom Wassick has discovered what he believes to be 3D V-Cache functionality on one of AMD's best GPUs, the RX 7900 XT. The engineer took a peak inside the 7900 XT's die with infrared imaging and found the same type of 3D V-Cache connection points used on AMD's Zen 3 and Zen 4 architecture. Wassick spotted the connections on the MCD die.

Few others recently said refreshes for navi3x werent gonna happen but this kind of indicates otherwise...

[Riptide]

Got a 7900 XTX reference card (sapphire) that I'm about to return to Newegg tomorrow for a refund. No vapor chamber issues. I have an AIB that I'm testing next ready to go.

If someone here wants it shoot me a DM today and let me know. I'll sell it for 1000 plus ship. I have vouchers on rage too if needed.

[Falck]

Well...

I was one of "the lucky ones" that got my hands on an XTX Radeon 7900 XTX MBA at launch, against all botts.

Well, I was of course one of those that got the VC issue... It worked in vertical mode as intended, but oh well, went on used market to see if anyone was selling their MBA card at a decent price. Lo and behold! I found one! The seller had also tested the card in horizontal and it maxed about 90C in junction/hotspot under heavy gaming. Drove 1.5hours and manged to haggle it down to eqvivalent to 20USD above MSRP, so I was happy. Drove for 1.5hours to get home. Lucky day no. 2!

Well...

As it seems, my case ssupd Meshlicious, has the graphics card in an "awkward" position with the IO of the card pointing down on the desk. And this "new" card, a PowerColor Radeon 7900XTX MBA, didn't like that position... got 110C almost as fast as I started CyberPunk '77... At first I thought I was scammed, but I cooled down (pun intended), let the card also cool down, laid the case on it's side so that the card could be in "normal" horizontal operating position. Ran CyberPunk '77 again and success! I got a junction/hotspot max of 87C! Even after hours of playing, rock stable! BUT! I don't want to change my case, and keeping it on it's side like that and not suffocate the card I had to build a "bridge" for the case to lay on so that it could circulate the air for the graphics card. Defiantly not ideal! This image is from before I built the "bridge with books"



Soooo, what to do? No shop in Norway would get any cards in, well all except one. And that one serves at least 4 countries... Tried 4 times to buy when they released, but they where gone before the buy button got enabled (bots, yay).

Got desperate as I already had sold my former card, and delivered it. So I went on eBay. Found a seller in another country, Germany, selling a Sapphire 7900XTX Pulse! card! @ MSRP! NEW! I double checked the measurements at Sapphire's site and it should fit, so I took a chance and ordered it. Never heard of the store, and it didn't have that many reviews even though they were registered on eBay since 2001 (If I remember correctly). Was kinda nervous. A lot of money if I get scammed. But, only 5 days later I recieved the card! She's a beauty! A tight fit, really tight, but perfect! As it should be!



I also treated myself, because of all the trouble I had to go through and got myself a new monitor as well.



Now I can game, hotspot around 80C, life is perfect! Oh, and the monitor is great too! Went from a Gigabyte G34WQC. Night and day, night and day....

[Trunks0]

I'm not surprised given how the issues encountered with some of reference coolers. I'd rather they sorted that out and just continueing to pump em out. Plus the AIB's would rather ship cards without the AIB cooler and charge a little extra.

Personally I bought a Power Color Red Devil 7900XTX off Riptide. Card has been an absolute charm so far.

[LordHawkwind]

What's really funny is I've had a few emails from AMD.com extolling the 7900XTX and a link to the UK shop to buy it. When you click on the link there are no 7900XTX cards to buy only the last gen 6XXX. Total joke really. Apparently AMD can't even provide new cards for RMA purposes. Sad but the usual clusterf*ck of an AMD GPU launch. All the big e-tailers in the UK don't seem to have any stock of the AIB models either so they also seem to be missing in action too.

[KAC]

I am thinking about picking this up for MW2. The performance at 4K with the 7900XTX is amazing. However, one game to continuously swap out cards might be a bit of a hassle lol.

[Nagorak]

AMD actually has decent VR performance with the Radeon 6000 series, but for some reason on 7000 series it is bugged again. That is the major reason why I ruled out getting any AMD card currently. Hopefully eventually it will be fixed, but for now they are a no-go for VR (again).

I will say one positive about the 7000 series line-up is the coolers are less ridiculously sized. The 4090 coolers are all absurdly oversized and that carries over to the 4080s from what I have heard (even though it makes even less sense with the 4080). And, I mean, they are big to the point that a lot of cases will have problems with them. So, that is definitely one thing the 7900 XTX has going for it.

Still at $1150 I agree it would be a hard sell for me, even VR problems aside.

[0091/2]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BNLSW23M?th=1
xfx merc310 7900xtx available on amazon - $1149

xtx_resize.jpg

At that price isn't it better to get Nvidia? The XFX has better cooling but it doesn't offer additional performance worth talking about. I heard AMD still have crappy performance in VR. Is there any chance AMD will release something that competes with the 4900?

[CyanBlues]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BNLSW23M?th=1
xfx merc310 7900xtx available on amazon - $1149

xtx_resize.jpg

[pax]

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...600x-cpus.html

Ya looks like a handful of 7600x use 2 CCD chiplets instead of one. Has me wondering if there are 2 chiplet 7800's as well. Or even 6 core 2 chiplet 7900x's. Maybe the non x skus have that...

[pax]

I definitely would not buy any MBA 7900 XTXs used. All you need is to be saddled with a card with a defective cooler and no warranty. Granted, you could just replace the cooler or water cool the card, but it's better to have that as an option rather than having it forced upon you.

Ya its tempting but a refurb at some point unless its got a good warranty and a good price would be too big a risk imo. I have bought a few refurb in the day like speakers that were fine but also some units like mobos that had almost no warranty, 45 days IIRC, and didnt last...

[Megaman]

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...600x-cpus.html

[Nagorak]

Interesting vid but the used card he had that had a bad cooler was probably oced and damaged... Reason I think that is Roman is a hardcore overclocker and many in his audience are as well. If the previous owner pushed the card hard with bad cooling it could have put a lot of stress on the card. If cards blew their caps this easily we'd hear a lot more about it. As for the cooler issue yeah they should pull all affected batches if they know which ones they are and not wait for owners to make a claim. My bet is they dont irrelevant of statements and maybe some cards in the same batch are fine but other arent if the machine that depressurizes the cooler and inserts the coolant was intermittently faulty. AIB models are fine AFAW and Roman know so best to simply avoid any MBA's for now.

I definitely would not buy any MBA 7900 XTXs used. All you need is to be saddled with a card with a defective cooler and no warranty. Granted, you could just replace the cooler or water cool the card, but it's better to have that as an option rather than having it forced upon you.

[Trunks0]

For those wondering, here is Der8auer's video

[pax]

Interesting vid but the used card he had that had a bad cooler was probably oced and damaged... Reason I think that is Roman is a hardcore overclocker and many in his audience are as well. If the previous owner pushed the card hard with bad cooling it could have put a lot of stress on the card. If cards blew their caps this easily we'd hear a lot more about it. As for the cooler issue yeah they should pull all affected batches if they know which ones they are and not wait for owners to make a claim. My bet is they dont irrelevant of statements and maybe some cards in the same batch are fine but other arent if the machine that depressurizes the cooler and inserts the coolant was intermittently faulty. AIB models are fine AFAW and Roman know so best to simply avoid any MBA's for now.

[KAC]

Hahaha Der Bauer’s latest video. He destroys AMD and also part of the video was hilarious. Hahaha.

[pax]

Prices were too high for too long and companies think they can keep them high. Maybe they think a crypto rally is around the corner, so its a tug of war between gpu makers and consumers... how long they will go to keep them high I cant imagine being past next summer with sales this low.

[Nagorak]

The really odd thing about the pricing is that third quarter GPU sales were atrocious. People clearly were not interest in buying even then, and other than cards being dropped in at the high end, prices across the board haven't gone down since then. The pricing structure just seems odd to me.

[pax]

Prices should drop by summer. GPU's just arent selling. Tho sux that my Vega64 seems to have given up the ghost... running on the old R290 for a few months is doable but not much longer than that...

[NIGELG]

AMD continues to shoot themselves in the foot in terms of GPU'S.

Their prices also suck just like Nvidia's. Maybe Intel can save the true midrange gamer.

[KAC]

Basically he said only cards made by AMD had a bad batch. You can contact them and they will replace it for you.

[Falck]

Herkelman responds to the cooler problems. Haven't heard the interview myself as I can't enable audio at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X87OzJ3bU7o

[pax]

Looks like a partial recall will happen... probably waiting to compile serial numbers for bad batches:

https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-radeo...cement-begins/

I deliberately waited until I could get congruent and plausible information through various information channels, which can now also shed some light after two to three weeks. While AMD’s support initially resisted even acknowledging the hotspot problem as such and described the 110 °C hotspot temperature as completely normal, the situation is now much more pleasant from the customer’s point of view.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank in advance all those who have provided me with information over the last two or three weeks but who, for understandable reasons, do not want to or cannot be named. However, I explicitly point out that all this information should be considered preliminary until an official statement from AMD and that there could still be corrections to the mentioned numbers.

In this context, I had actually waited for yesterday, because a statement from AMD was communicated internally (I wrote about it several times that I would like to wait for this for the time being), but then it did not happen. I am therefore taking this incomprehensible delay as an opportunity today to bring some transparency to the matter.

The problem is already known for more than two weeks and is communicated between AMD and the distributors (internally) .. How exactly the problem will be communicated to the end customer has not yet been finally decided. … AMD’s statement was originally supposed to be made on January 3, 2023 at 6 p.m. CET, but it was postponed. (quote from email)

[bill dennison]

The issue is once you pay the premium for an AIB you're getting even closer to the price of a 4080 FE.

but i would never buy a founders edition either they are a pain to take apart if you want to water cool it and getting it back togather for a RMA would be hell
and the only reasion i would ever buy a AMD reference is to water cool it ASAP but the coil whine kills that