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    AMD RDNA 3: New GPUs may support 16K HDR with DisplayPort 2.0
    https://nintendosmash.com/amd-rdna-3...splayport-2-0/

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      Really what's the point talking about 16k hdr in RDNA 3? In current games 4K is just about achievable and 8K is still a pipe dream. By the time 16K HDR is a thing RDNA 3 will be as dead as a dodo. Same applies for 8K and 3090 it's a gimmick to try and future proof cards, that's all. Marketing BS.
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        It's possible with FSR/DLSS. I think the biggest thing to take from that is it can output to a 16k display. Current GPU's support 8k max. What your games render at internally is another story.
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          Originally posted by LordHawkwind View Post
          Really what's the point talking about 16k hdr in RDNA 3? In current games 4K is just about achievable and 8K is still a pipe dream. By the time 16K HDR is a thing RDNA 3 will be as dead as a dodo. Same applies for 8K and 3090 it's a gimmick to try and future proof cards, that's all. Marketing BS.
          8k tvs are getting cheap, Ive seen some for ~1500$ cad locally, and I can see the next gen push for 16k easily with the rumored large perf increase of lovelace and navi3. I can see the gen after that targeting 16k so having some modest 16k capability in next years is reasonable. The same way the 5700xt was 4k/30-60 capable to some degree but it was the 6000 gen that pushed 4k harder.
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            Originally posted by pax View Post
            8k tvs are getting cheap, Ive seen some for ~1500$ cad locally, and I can see the next gen push for 16k easily with the rumored large perf increase of lovelace and navi3. I can see the gen after that targeting 16k so having some modest 16k capability in next years is reasonable. The same way the 5700xt was 4k/30-60 capable to some degree but it was the 6000 gen that pushed 4k harder.
            I started 4k with AMD R9 290X cfx in 2015 four years before the 5700xt

            you might be able to do 8k now if SLI/CFX still worked

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              Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
              I started 4k with AMD R9 290X cfx in 2015 four years before the 5700xt

              you might be able to do 8k now if SLI/CFX still worked
              Not sure we'll ever see that again but keep hearing about dual gpu on a single board tho its probably about chiplets from here on out. But if they used HBM, if they ever go back to that memory, could easily do 2 packages on a single board.

              I can imagine the power useage tho. Im looking for a dual psu case now in case we need 2 750s which would be a heck of a lot cheaper than a single 1500w.

              This one looks like it could be modded for that:

              https://www.techpowerup.com/review/t...ow-argb/5.html



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                Originally posted by pax View Post
                8k tvs are getting cheap, Ive seen some for ~1500$ cad locally, and I can see the next gen push for 16k easily with the rumored large perf increase of lovelace and navi3. I can see the gen after that targeting 16k so having some modest 16k capability in next years is reasonable. The same way the 5700xt was 4k/30-60 capable to some degree but it was the 6000 gen that pushed 4k harder.
                Pax there is no 8K content regularly available for TV's. They are upscaling which isn't the same thing it's not native 8K. I considered a Samsung 8K TV but decided to buy a 4K one for now because by the time there is native 8K content TV's will have changed dramatically. Basically 16K TV's are probably a decade away if ever. TBH it's won't be mass market for a very long time so RDNA 3 with that support, what's the point? Same goes for Lovelace it's just marketing BS.

                My 3090 supports 8k and with DLSS/DLAA it's meant to be OK but am I bothered? Absolutely not I'm only interested in what it can do for gaming today. Years from now I'll deal with then. I think 8K/16K are like VR. Meant to be the next best thing but just never happens because the mass market isn't really interested in it.
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                  who cares about what is available for TV and movies

                  Games will play at 8k

                  and this is ok - but I have not looked into QNED

                  https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-c...?skuId=6461910

                  give me a card that will give me 60 to 120 FPS at 8k and i'll buy it

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                    Yeah thats what I mean in getting an oled 43-48" 8k tv as a monitor. Or maybe a qled not sure yet with that screen burn thing. I plan an 8k mon upgrade in a year or so.
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                      Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                      who cares about what is available for TV and movies

                      Games will play at 8k

                      and this is ok - but I have not looked into QNED

                      https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-c...?skuId=6461910

                      give me a card that will give me 60 to 120 FPS at 8k and i'll buy it
                      Bill that TV/Monitor costs $2,799 and you'd need a next gen card costing about $2,000 to get your 60fps so really cheap at $4,799. I bet it will be real fun sitting 2 feet from a 65" TV/Monitor
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                        Originally posted by pax View Post
                        Yeah thats what I mean in getting an oled 43-48" 8k tv as a monitor. Or maybe a qled not sure yet with that screen burn thing. I plan an 8k mon upgrade in a year or so.
                        Pax, as I've said to Bill, to run that monitor you'll need to spend $2,000 on a next gen card yet you've mentioned more than once you won't pay that price for a graphics card. Why the sudden change of mind?
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                          Originally posted by LordHawkwind View Post
                          Bill that TV/Monitor costs $2,799 and you'd need a next gen card costing about $2,000 to get your 60fps so really cheap at $4,799. I bet it will be real fun sitting 2 feet from a 65" TV/Monitor
                          i'm setting 3 feet from a 4k LG OLED55CXPUA that was like around 1800+ with 5 year warranty
                          and it is fun

                          I can see 65" at the same 3 feet

                          and we don't know what the 7900 xt & 7800 xt will cost yet
                          but if it is as fast as they say they both would do 8k

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                            Originally posted by LordHawkwind View Post
                            Pax, as I've said to Bill, to run that monitor you'll need to spend $2,000 on a next gen card yet you've mentioned more than once you won't pay that price for a graphics card. Why the sudden change of mind?
                            I dont expect top end to be 2k+ next year. TSMC says many vendors are hoarding chips. Eventually that tactic to keep prices high will be counterproductive.

                            https://hothardware.com/news/tsmc-cu...cial-shortages

                            There are many factors that play into the chip shortage that continues to affect the market for all kinds of various electronics, from graphics cards and game consoles, to certain smart automobile features and everything in between. Some of the reasons include rabid demand for cutting edge hardware, manufacturing challenges spurred by the pandemic, and cryptocurrency mining (as it relates to GPUs). According to TSMC, you can also add chip hoarding to the pile.
                            TSMC is too inbred to the industry to make this kind of accusation lightly.
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                              https://wccftech.com/amds-flagship-n...een-taped-out/

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                                so 6 to 9 months maybe

                                4th of july would be cool

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                                  Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                  so 6 to 9 months maybe

                                  4th of july would be cool
                                  If they can get it out in volume a full quarter before nV's AL...... they'd clean up.

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                                    Originally posted by acroig View Post
                                    If they can get it out in volume a full quarter before nV's AL...... they'd clean up.
                                    if RDNA 3 is half as fast as they say they will do that anyway
                                    as i exect Linda to be the same 30% to 45% max over Amperage anyway

                                    and if it is really 3x faster than a 6900 xt NV is in trouble this time


                                    but AMD needs to follow NVidia's lead in the LHR cards or gamers won't ever see them

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                                      Cool thats its taped out means the rumors on specs will become a bit more solid soon now...
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                                        I guess it's all rumors anyway, but if it's already taped out shouldn't we be expecting it sooner than the end of next year? It seems a lot of sites are saying it's coming Q4 of next year, but does it actually take a year from tape out to production?

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                                          Originally posted by Nagorak View Post
                                          I guess it's all rumors anyway, but if it's already taped out shouldn't we be expecting it sooner than the end of next year? It seems a lot of sites are saying it's coming Q4 of next year, but does it actually take a year from tape out to production?
                                          used to be about 6 months if all goes well

                                          so i think from May on if they want to and have supply

                                          but it could take a few more months to stock up on cards to sell
                                          being chiplets should help their less waste than a big monolithic GPU

                                          depends on what Intel's cards do Q1 and the 3080 super and 3080 ti super soon after

                                          AMD could well release early Q3 if they can beat the 3090 super by a good bit

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                                            This is from Lisa Su in the latest earnings call..

                                            Yeah. So, again, what I would say is our market share is still, I would say underrepresented, whether you're talking about the client CPU or APU side or the GPU side. I think what we have seen here in the third quarter and then into the second half of the year is, our graphics business has performed quite well. It is channel driven in the sense that there's still strong demand amongst gamers for GPUs. As we go into 2022 though, I don't view the PC market as a headwind for the Company. I think as we look at all of these markets, of course, we do a bunch of scenario planning if the market is up or if it's down.

                                            I think there are many who think that the market maybe up, there's some who think that market maybe down, and that's why we're choosing to model the base case is flattish. But even within that market, whether you're talking about client CPUs or client GPUs, we think we have opportunities to gain share and grow in that business. Just given the strength of our product portfolio and the fact that we are underrepresented to think the what we can expect given those products.

                                            She also mentioned consoles and CPU's were a major driver for 2022 so as usual the GPU side is lagging behind. Don't blame them it's business but don't think they'll prioritise GPU's for a few generations yet. Don't get me wrong, like Bill says, RDNA 3 might knock it out of the park but it just won't be easily available. Just my 2c'c worth
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                                              AMD's next-gen RDNA GPUs could have 3D Infinity Cache technology
                                              AMD's next-gen RDNA GPU architectures teased with 3D Infinity Cache technology, Navi 31 MCM GPU could have 512MB Infinity Cache



                                              https://www.tweaktown.com/news/82628...ogy/index.html

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                                                We kind of are expecting the amount of L3 to be increased up to 512 megs but they would use Infinity Fabric to run it? I suppose its not the case with the on die cache of the 6000 gen even tho they call it Infinity cache?

                                                https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...-cache-4128555

                                                I think the interesting part is that if they do a 3d cache and remove the on die Inf Cache it would make more room available on the gpu die and make it possible to have that monstrous increase in shaders that have been rumored up to 15000~ vs the top end 5120 now on the 6900xt.
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                                                  Originally posted by pax View Post
                                                  We kind of are expecting the amount of L3 to be increased up to 512 megs but they would use Infinity Fabric to run it? I suppose its not the case with the on die cache of the 6000 gen even tho they call it Infinity cache?

                                                  https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...-cache-4128555

                                                  I think the interesting part is that if they do a 3d cache and remove the on die Inf Cache it would make more room available on the gpu die and make it possible to have that monstrous increase in shaders that have been rumored up to 15000~ vs the top end 5120 now on the 6900xt.
                                                  now add 24gb of HBM3

                                                  https://www.anandtech.com/show/17022...t-up-to-64gbps

                                                  and have a 8k card

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                                                    Godless monster and a price to go with it... and power useage... latest rumor is rtx 4800 is gonna double up on power use vs ampere so sounds like both will push the power envelop to the hilt trying to out perf the other.

                                                    Can they cool 600+ watts tho. Water would have to be the reference cooler.
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                                                      Originally posted by pax View Post
                                                      Godless monster and a price to go with it... and power useage... latest rumor is rtx 4800 is gonna double up on power use vs ampere so sounds like both will push the power envelop to the hilt trying to out perf the other.

                                                      Can they cool 600+ watts tho. Water would have to be the reference cooler.
                                                      two or three fan AIO

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                                                        Hopefully these power consumption rumors turn out to be wrong. Whether people care about power consumption or not, at the current rate power is increasing we will quickly approach the point where it's simply not viable to draw more power.

                                                        A 15 amp 120v circuit maxes out at 1800w, and usually more than one outlet on a circuit. At 1000w power draw you're already at the point where having two computers on the same circuit will trip the breaker. Much about 1000w and you're starting to run into problems if anything else high powered is on that circuit with your computer, or if you have crappy wiring, etc.

                                                        And then there's the cooling issues...

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                                                          Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                          two or three fan AIO
                                                          360mm AIO can barely handle 350-400watt cards. Talking about 500+.. no chance.
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                                                            Originally posted by Nagorak View Post
                                                            Hopefully these power consumption rumors turn out to be wrong. Whether people care about power consumption or not, at the current rate power is increasing we will quickly approach the point where it's simply not viable to draw more power.

                                                            A 15 amp 120v circuit maxes out at 1800w, and usually more than one outlet on a circuit. At 1000w power draw you're already at the point where having two computers on the same circuit will trip the breaker. Much about 1000w and you're starting to run into problems if anything else high powered is on that circuit with your computer, or if you have crappy wiring, etc.

                                                            And then there's the cooling issues...
                                                            This. Totally crazy.

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                                                              Just got my electric permit from the county pre-approved for the home theater. Good thing I'm putting in three new 15amp circuits.

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                                                                Originally posted by Nagorak View Post
                                                                Hopefully these power consumption rumors turn out to be wrong. Whether people care about power consumption or not, at the current rate power is increasing we will quickly approach the point where it's simply not viable to draw more power.

                                                                A 15 amp 120v circuit maxes out at 1800w, and usually more than one outlet on a circuit. At 1000w power draw you're already at the point where having two computers on the same circuit will trip the breaker. Much about 1000w and you're starting to run into problems if anything else high powered is on that circuit with your computer, or if you have crappy wiring, etc.

                                                                And then there's the cooling issues...
                                                                i ran two 20 amp circuits on 10 ga wire to my system a long time ago

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                                                                  Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                                  i ran two 20 amp circuits on 10 ga wire to my system a long time ago
                                                                  TBH BIll I have no idea what you are talking about. Me and electrics don't mix From a non techie perspective if it takes 2x power to improve performance then to me that is a massive fail from both sides. Aren't things meant to get smaller and more power efficient or have I missed something?

                                                                  If a graphics card needs to come with a water block to cool it (not AIO) it's a massive statement of failure. It makes enthusiast gaming a niche of a niche and marginalises its appeal greatly. TBH count me out I'll stick with what I've got thank you.

                                                                  Also if the 4090/7090 are this power hungry what about the next gen and so on. This will kill PC gaming far quicker than consoles will.
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                                                                    Serving up big performance
                                                                    Despite all of the trouble that comes with creating MCM designs, the payoffs are huge. Having multiple chiplets working together as a unified GPU means huge performance boosts and a much more efficient solution than bridged graphics cards.

                                                                    Aside from massively improving performance with the power of two interlinked chiplets, AMD would also have the option to optimize each chiplet for performance or efficiency. This would help AMD either send performance to the moon at the cost of huge power draws, as rumors already suggest about 500W models, or moderately increase performance by setting more efficient clock frequencies on each chip.


                                                                    https://www.pcinvasion.com/amd-rdna-...n-performance/


                                                                    might not be so bad if they scale it to need somehow

                                                                    lighter loads lower clock frequencies or even turn one chiplet off

                                                                    then crank it up only when needed

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                                                                      Originally posted by LordHawkwind View Post
                                                                      TBH BIll I have no idea what you are talking about. Me and electrics don't mix From a non techie perspective if it takes 2x power to improve performance then to me that is a massive fail from both sides. Aren't things meant to get smaller and more power efficient or have I missed something?

                                                                      If a graphics card needs to come with a water block to cool it (not AIO) it's a massive statement of failure. It makes enthusiast gaming a niche of a niche and marginalises its appeal greatly. TBH count me out I'll stick with what I've got thank you.

                                                                      Also if the 4090/7090 are this power hungry what about the next gen and so on. This will kill PC gaming far quicker than consoles will.
                                                                      means i'm set up for up to 3 way SLI/CFX on both of two systems in one case running at the same time

                                                                      i don't think even these new high watage GPU's will surpass 3 way sli 1080 ti that i bult it for when i had 980 sli and fury x cfx W/ a 1200 and 1050 watt PSU
                                                                      i didn't know at the time they would kill SLI/CFX

                                                                      the plug changes on PSU's will be a pain in the ass wonder if AMD will use NV's plug

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                                                                        Originally posted by bill dennison View Post


                                                                        https://www.pcinvasion.com/amd-rdna-...n-performance/


                                                                        might not be so bad if they scale it to need somehow

                                                                        lighter loads lower clock frequencies or even turn one chiplet off

                                                                        then crank it up only when needed
                                                                        sounds like a recipe for major framepacing issues and high latency... I don't think you want your GPU to do things like this.
                                                                        Originally posted by curio
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                                                                          Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                                          sounds like a recipe for major framepacing issues and high latency... I don't think you want your GPU to do things like this.
                                                                          i'm sure they could step it down for things like diablo 3 and up for 2077

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                                                                              Originally posted by pax View Post
                                                                              Gonna have to ask cavemanjim to get Ice Giant to make a gpu thermosiphon at this point...
                                                                              I don't think a 5 or 6 slot air cooler will do 500+ watts

                                                                              the highest end cards are going to take a full waterblock or a 3 fan AIO cooler with a thick rad like a Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta


                                                                              https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cool...360mm-radiator

                                                                              or maybe a 420mm
                                                                              https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cool...420mm-radiator


                                                                              my 560mm
                                                                              https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cool...560mm-radiator

                                                                              cooled two gtx 980's and the cpu fine for two weeks without fans when i forgot to plug them back in once

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                                                                                Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                                                i'm sure they could step it down for things like diablo 3 and up for 2077
                                                                                I mean, cards already do this though. downclocking and downvolting for minimal loads..

                                                                                Turning chips on and off is a much different thing though and it's impossible to do it without incurring latency or reducing performance. They still haven't figured out how to do that on CPUs yet, which is why disabling C-States and running an all-core OC is still the best way for lowest latency/input lag.

                                                                                Originally posted by pax View Post
                                                                                Gonna have to ask cavemanjim to get Ice Giant to make a gpu thermosiphon at this point...
                                                                                Such an overrated cooler that flopped lol.. all that hype during the marketing was BS. Turned out to perform worse than a 360mm AIO, and lose in most cases to a Noctua D15. Terrible for the size and noise.
                                                                                Last edited by Nunz; Nov 10, 2021, 04:58 AM.
                                                                                Originally posted by curio
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                                                                                  Ice Giant is pretty much one of the best coolers for threadripper tho and has a high watts cooling capacity. I think the copper version will do a lot better on smaller packages.

                                                                                  I mean if the all aluminium model can handle 500w easy the copper one might be able to go a bit further.

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