Official AMD Radeon RX 7000 Series (RDNA 3) Thread

[LordHawkwind]

doesn't fly .

they had their normal slot and capacity reserved at TSMC till they started playing we want a better price because we are big bad NVidia games

and big bad TSMC told them to go get stuffed " so you don't want it ok we just sold it to AMD .... bye bye "

with their normal slot and capacity and TSMC much better yields they might have been the same or better

That's really worked out well for for Radeon 6xxx cards hasn't it. Not. Still MIA so where are they

[Trunks0]

That's really worked out well for for Radeon 6xxx cards hasn't it. Not. Still MIA so where are they

Not MIA, just not widely available. Which is par for the course given when they launched and current world wide madness.

[SuperGeil]

Zen 3 is becoming more and more available, easier to pick up. Radeon will catch up I assume next month.

[LordHawkwind]

Zen 3 is becoming more and more available, easier to pick up. Radeon will catch up I assume next month.

Agree I've just looked on a few sites and the 5600X especially is readily available. A bit over MSRP but that's to be expected in this market. I just bought a 3800X so not looking to upgrade for a couple of years or wait for 5800X to drop to close to £300 if Zen 4 comes out next year on new AM5 platform. No big rush as I'm not CPU bound anyway.

With regards to the RTX 3xxx and Radeon 6xxx can't see supply improving in the too distant future. UK back in lock down so scalpers will still be a thing for the time being I'm afraid. Sad.

[caveman-jim]

Longer supply chain for GPUs vs CPUs means it takes longer to ramp

[SuperGeil]

Navi 31 is a dual 80 CU chiplet

[Leprechaun]

well they are putting a tsmc fab in arizona

they say 2024 it should go online

I always wondered about this since the first day I heard about it. What are the prices on hardware going to be like from the Arizona fab? Will it even be competitive?

[bill dennison]

I always wondered about this since the first day I heard about it. What are the prices on hardware going to be like from the Arizona fab? Will it even be competitive?

there are already a number of Intel Fab's and others here

i worked on the Intel one in Queen Creek AZ


https://www.chipsetc.com/semiconductors-in-arizona.html

[LordHawkwind]

Navi 31 is a dual 80 CU chiplet

Quote from the article.."AMD has never confirmed when exactly could RDNA 3 architecture be announced, but based on the roadmaps, AMD is expected to talk about the architecture by 2022. It would appear that AMD might lift a curtain on RDNA3 somewhere later this year."

Q3/4 2022 maybe. Maybe a RDNA2 refresh in between who knows or just the usual 2 year upgrade cycle.

[bill dennison]

Quote from the article.."AMD has never confirmed when exactly could RDNA 3 architecture be announced, but based on the roadmaps, AMD is expected to talk about the architecture by 2022. It would appear that AMD might lift a curtain on RDNA3 somewhere later this year."

Q3/4 2022 maybe. Maybe a RDNA2 refresh in between who knows or just the usual 2 year upgrade cycle.

AMD doesn't do refreshes like NV
they will do a rehash of RDNA 2 cards as lower end mid range sku's after RDNA 3 comes out ( same cards with new numbers ) maybe on 5nm but most likely still on 7nm

and they have hit their release dates on the roadmaps for years on CPU's and GPU's and i think they will hit RDNA 3 by the end of the year before 2022


vega 7 release date = February 7, 2019

5700 xt release date = July 7, 2019

6800 xt release date = November 18, 2020

what usual 2 year upgrade cycle NV is on that not AMD

maybe Q1 at latest with the virus but i would not bet against them hitting December this year

and i bet the jacket isn't either

[pax]

Ya this 2 year wait idea is nonsense. They will release along the same schedule as RTX 4k.

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Most impressive if true...

[LordHawkwind]

AMD doesn't do refreshes like NV
they will do a rehash of RDNA 2 cards as lower end mid range sku's after RDNA 3 comes out ( same cards with new numbers ) maybe on 5nm but most likely still on 7nm

and they have hit their release dates on the roadmaps for years on CPU's and GPU's and i think they will hit RDNA 3 by the end of the year before 2022


vega 7 release date = February 7, 2019

5700 xt release date = July 7, 2019

6800 xt release date = November 18, 2020

what usual 2 year upgrade cycle NV is on that not AMD

maybe Q1 at latest with the virus but i would not bet against them hitting December this year

and i bet the jacket isn't either

Vega VII was never on any roadmap they were failed Instinct cards that because of the crazy hike in prices of the RTX20 series AMD released them with very limited supply.

The 6800XT is not a replacement of the 5700XT the 6700XT will be. That's now not slated to launch until end of H1 2021 which if July or later 2021 is a two year gap.

The 5700XT replaced Vega 64 which was launched in August 2017. Another two year gap. Vega 64 replaced the Fury card which was launched June 2015.
FFS I bought Fury, Vega 64 and 5700XT and it was a two year upgrade cycle which at the time suited me fine.

The 6800/6900XT are a segment above what AMD have had in the last decade so aren't a replacement for anything previously released. They're brand new. The 7800/7900 RDNA3 will replace them and if that's Q3 2022 I think that would be more than a coincidence.

[SuperGeil]

The 6800XT is not a replacement of the 5700XT the 6700XT will be.

stop, that makes no sense. It was their acting high end, and now that is 6800XT. If they wanted to release the 6700XT first, they would have focused on that.

[SIrPauly]

Semantics again. The context was clearly price point.

[SuperGeil]

Semantics again. The context was clearly price point.

The context is release schedules of a new architecture. Price point has nothing to do with this. The 5700XT was the RDNA high end and the 6800XT is the RNDA2 high end.

[SIrPauly]

The 6900xt is the highend.

[SuperGeil]

The 6900xt is the highend.

Just scratch high-end. Just think architecture.
When did RDNA come out and when did RDNA2 come out?

[Leprechaun]

there are already a number of Intel Fab's and others here

i worked on the Intel one in Queen Creek AZ


https://www.chipsetc.com/semiconductors-in-arizona.html

Good to hear. I wonder if they'll slap on even bigger tarrifs on anything from China thus the ones from Arizona end up looking cheaper.

[LordHawkwind]

stop, that makes no sense. It was their acting high end, and now that is 6800XT. If they wanted to release the 6700XT first, they would have focused on that.

Supergeil whilst the 5700XT was a "high end" AMD card it was basically a mid range card when you took Nvidia cards into account.

That card was never meant to compete against Nvidia's enthusiast card the 2080ti, the 5700XT competed against the 2070/Super which was Nvidia's mid range card.

The MSRP of the 6800XT is £649 so about 50% more expensive than a 5700XT. The 6800XT competes against the 3080 which is one of Nvidia's enthusiast cards and the MSRP of the 3080 is £649.

AMD released the 6800XT/6900XT to compete in the enthusiast segment against the 3080/3090 which is the first time they've done that in over a decade.

[bill dennison]

the 6800 xt will be the 7570 xt
in a year after the 7800 xt comes out

[pax]

Supergeil whilst the 5700XT was a "high end" AMD card it was basically a mid range card when you took Nvidia cards into account.

That card was never meant to compete against Nvidia's enthusiast card the 2080ti, the 5700XT competed against the 2070/Super which was Nvidia's mid range card.

The MSRP of the 6800XT is £649 so about 50% more expensive than a 5700XT. The 6800XT competes against the 3080 which is one of Nvidia's enthusiast cards and the MSRP of the 3080 is £649.

AMD released the 6800XT/6900XT to compete in the enthusiast segment against the 3080/3090 which is the first time they've done that in over a decade.

There was a recent info release of an engineering sample of a 5900xt that was never put out due to excessive power issues. Problems that only got fixed in the 6000 gen. It wouldve been out about same time frame as the 5700xt. RDNA is a on a roughly yearly schedule. Also mass volume of 5nm that apple is already using will be had fall 2021. Makes no sense to wait once that is out.

[bill dennison]

There was a recent info release of an engineering sample of a 5900xt that was never put out due to excessive power issues. Problems that only got fixed in the 6000 gen. It wouldve been out about same time frame as the 5700xt. RDNA is a on a roughly yearly schedule. Also mass volume of 5nm that apple is already using will be had fall 2021. Makes no sense to wait once that is out.

https://tekdeeps.com/amd-radeon-rx-5...from-big-navi/

https://videocardz.com/101494/asrock...mer-rx-6800-xt

it was still better than the 3090/80

[LordHawkwind]

https://tekdeeps.com/amd-radeon-rx-5...from-big-navi/

https://videocardz.com/101494/asrock...mer-rx-6800-xt

it was still better than the 3090/80

That videocardz article is brilliant TBH. So one guy out of 9bn people on the planet manages to procure a 5900XT engineering sample, an unreleased Rocket Lake S CPU and an unreleased Z590 board and even provides benchmarks

Really, come on. I think the Donald would be correct in calling this fake news. I haven't laughed so much for ages.

[Shapeshifter]

https://www.techpowerup.com/277717/a...arity-database

AMD's mysterious Nashira Summit GPU has been spotted in Ashes of the Singularity database. A similarly named Nashira Point GPU has appeared some time ago on the USB-IF website, which was also a mysterious product in AMD's Radeon graphics processors lineup. The Nashira Summit and Nashira Point seem to be a part of the common Nashira GPU family, which is presumably a codename for a lower-end Navi 22 or Navi 23 GPU models. Today, we managed to get a Nashira Summit score in the Ashes of the Singularity database. The GPU has been put through a set of AotS benchmarks and we have the scores. Unfortunately, tests have been run using all-custom settings, so it is impossible to compare it to some other GPU as a reference. The test was probably performed by AMD or some AIB. So far it is impossible to distinct whatever this is a mobile or a desktop product as both mobile and desktop GPUs are tested in the same manner. It remains a question what the mysterious Nashira Summit GPU is, so we have to wait for more information to find out.

tested on a ryzen 3600x system, ashes thinks it's a dual GPU (so rdna3?)

[pax]

Dang if this thing is just a hair under the 6800 for a third the price I might grab it... then oc it for the hell of it.

12 gb should be good enough for 1440p anyways.

[bill dennison]

https://www.techpowerup.com/277717/a...arity-database



tested on a ryzen 3600x system, ashes thinks it's a dual GPU (so rdna3?)

2 chiplet RDNA 3 ES

wonder what 3 or 4 chiplet will do
7800 xt by Q4 this year

[pax]

Art says its navi 22-23...

If its navi 3 well thats a ways away then...

[bill dennison]

Art says its navi 22-23...

If its navi 3 well thats a ways away then...

AMD Nashira Summit GPU Spotted, Possibly RDNA3 with a Multi-Chip Design

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/na...rdna2-or-rdna3

it could be a bug why it shows up as 2 GPU's

but why is it so close to a 6800 then
what would be the point of two sku's that close on the same gen

[LordHawkwind]

2 chiplet RDNA 3 ES

wonder what 3 or 4 chiplet will do
7800 xt by Q4 this year

When I saw that click bait story I thought oh no Bill is going to be trumping this like it's going out of fashion.

Most probably a 6700 or lower otherwise why bother testing it with a Ryzen 3600? Budget CPU really. If that was RDNA3 they would have used a Zen 3 5900/5950 CPU for sure.

Lisa Su has emphasised many times that they are bringing the 6xxx down the stack so it makes more sense for it to be a Navi 22-23 as Pax said.

[bill dennison]

AMD Navi 31 rumored to be dual 80CU chiplet design, up to 10240 cores?

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi...to-10240-cores

[LordHawkwind]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi...to-10240-cores

Another click bait story. So you think Q4 2021 and the article says..

"AMD has never confirmed when exactly could RDNA 3 architecture be announced, but based on the roadmaps, AMD is expected to talk about the architecture by 2022."

Don't think they'll launch it Q4 2021 and then talk about it in 2022

[bill dennison]

Another click bait story. So you think Q4 2021 and the article says..

"AMD has never confirmed when exactly could RDNA 3 architecture be announced, but based on the roadmaps, AMD is expected to talk about the architecture by 2022."

Don't think they'll launch it Q4 2021 and then talk about it in 2022

you are .

AMD roadmaps say RDNA 3 will be out before 2022
not that they will talk about it

and that is the way they have always worked it in the past



..........
but since you bought a 3090 i'm sure they will wait till you are ready

[LordHawkwind]

you are .

AMD roadmaps say RDNA 3 will be out before 2022
not that they will talk about it

and that is the way they have always worked it in the past

..........
but since you bought a 3090 i'm sure they will wait till you are ready

Bill look at the image. A big tick for RDNA1 nothing for the other two. Wonder why that is? They haven't launched the 6800XT/6900XT yet properly or the 6700XT/6700 and below which are RDNA 2. Mid range cards are where the money is and Nvidia have already announced 3060 for late February launch.

So you think AMD will release RDNA 3 before completing the stack of RDNA2 cards don't think so.

As Cream said yesterday we're loving our 3090's in gaming. First time in a long time I've owned an enthusiast card. Surely you can understand that.

[bill dennison]

Bill look at the image. A big tick for RDNA1 nothing for the other two. Wonder why that is? They haven't launched the 6800XT/6900XT yet properly or the 6700XT/6700 and below which are RDNA 2. Mid range cards are where the money is and Nvidia have already announced 3060 for late February launch.

So you think AMD will release RDNA 3 before completing the stack of RDNA2 cards don't think so.

As Cream said yesterday we're loving our 3090's in gaming. First time in a long time I've owned an enthusiast card. Surely you can understand that.

no
i never buy anything but the top gaming card at the time and used to buy two each of the top cards from both NV and AMD
been on 4k for 6 years now and 2560x1600 resolution before that back to 2007
it's a waist of time and money not going with the top gaming card at the time at high res

but the Titans and 3090 are not gaming cards and have always been nuts .
2x or more the price for 10%

...

and AMD roadmaps are always like that and they are not late very damn often i think it will be Q4 or at most Q1

the 6900 does not OC well as well as the 6800 AND both missed the 4k mark that AMD said Big Navi would be
they are great at 1440p but run out of infinity cache at 4k .

and you don't think AMD knows that ?
and wants to fix it ASAP

option 1 = move on to RDNA 3 and a new 5nm node
and make as few 6000's as they can with the game consoles and CPU's on the same node

option 2 = keep making as many 6800 XT's as they can with the consoles and CPU's a slower 4k card than a 3080 with slower RT that few will buy over the 3080 for the same prices

they need a killer 4k enthusiast card with as good of RT as NV to win back market share and THIS ISN'T IT and I am sure they know it .

a MCM chiplet card before NV has one would be a killer

[SuperGeil]

There is no evidence to suggest that RDNA2 is running out of infinity cache or memory bandwidth. I think a couple of reviewers made some premature statements. Memory overclocking Big Navi gives negligible gains, even non-existent gains in some cases.

As for summit and point, I am completely loss.
Could be RDNA2 MCM. This would be most shocking.

[SuperGeil]

I'm also not convinced there is anything wrong with AMD's ray tracing. Virtually all the ray tracing supported games out right now except for two were made with Nvidia in mind. CP77 did not even bother coding for AMD hardware for ray tracing in the Xbox and PS are coming later. When more games come out for next gen platforms with ray tracing, I think we will get a much better look at what AMD can do as far as RDNA2 goes.

[Nunz]

There is no evidence to suggest that RDNA2 is running out of infinity cache or memory bandwidth. I think a couple of reviewers made some premature statements. Memory overclocking Big Navi gives negligible gains, even non-existent gains in some cases.

As for summit and point, I am completely loss.
Could be RDNA2 MCM. This would be most shocking.

Overclocking the memory won't fix an issue with the bus width not being wide enough to handle more throughput. The card is absolutely stuck due to the 256-bit bus. The infinity cache gimmick has done nothing thus far; if it worked as AMD claimed then there wouldn't be any bandwidth limitations.. but looking at how the 6900XT performs, it's definitely not. The card has all the horsepower, which is why it performs so well at 1080p/1440p, where that 256-bit bus isn't being overloaded.

Crank up to 4K and the card falls off dramatically. The only weak point of the entire card is it's memory bandwidth; specifically the bus width.

[bill dennison]

the only thing that would fix RDNA 2 for 4k is HBM2 at this point if they have a HBM version

Rumor: AMD might be prepping new NAVI RDNA 2-based GPUs, “XTXH” and “Nashira Point” codenames spotted

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/rumor...names-spotted/

but that seem a lot of work on a RDNA 2 upgrade when they could as easy go to RDNA 3 that is most likely is MCM with HBM2e

[Nunz]

HBM is just another money sink that has nose-dived AMD before. They don't need it. GDDR6 puts out very good bandwidth, especially if they use Samsung memory chips instead of Hynix/Micron. If they had used a 384-bit bus, or maybe a 352-bit bus, we wouldn't be talking about HBM. Look at GDDR6X and the bandwidth it's putting out; I don't care for HBM at all.

HBM seemed genius when GDDR4 AND GDDR5 were slow as piss, but GDDR6 and 6X dramatically increased memory throughput and I think it shows that the memory bandwidth is not the limiting factor right now. Combine the raster performance of the 6900XT with a good sized bus instead of the gimped garbage AMD put on the card and it likely changes much of what we see in 4K performance.

[bill dennison]

HBM is just another money sink that has nose-dived AMD before. They don't need it. GDDR6 puts out very good bandwidth, especially if they use Samsung memory chips instead of Hynix/Micron. If they had used a 384-bit bus, or maybe a 352-bit bus, we wouldn't be talking about HBM. Look at GDDR6X and the bandwidth it's putting out; I don't care for HBM at all.

HBM seemed genius when GDDR4 AND GDDR5 were slow as piss, but GDDR6 and 6X dramatically increased memory throughput and I think it shows that the memory bandwidth is not the limiting factor right now. Combine the raster performance of the 6900XT with a good sized bus instead of the gimped garbage AMD put on the card and it likely changes much of what we see in 4K performance.

i think MCM chiplets will require HBM .