Why do you have to do these hacks on a 1000$ card. What is the issue? I don’t fully follow.
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Ya just tilting it it seems there might not be enough fluid in some vapor chambers on the reference design... others think a driver update will fix it. Too bad if the case cant accommodate a change in gpu orientation . Did the latest driver do anything for temps? I wouldve thought a power savings might help in that as well.Originally posted by Falck View PostComment
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Not that I'm aware of. I didn't get to game on the 22.12.1 set. Didn't have the time.Originally posted by pax View Post
Release notes states temperature when video acceleration is being used if I'm remembering correctly.Comment
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Thinking this is a good upgrade from 295x2
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he seems to have fixed the high hot spot temps buy remountingLast edited by bill dennison; Dec 26, 2022, 04:48 PM.Comment
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Simple enough Id just unscrew and rescrew the screws and avoid the repaste.Comment
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You're right I know I don't need to upgrade but that doesn't mean I don't want to! I can get about £600 for my 3090 so it would only cost £400 to £500 to upgrade so not too bad. The actual unavailability is working in my favour really. Might wait 6 months as others have said for the drivers to mature and the price to potentially drop a little bit. Lets see.Originally posted by pax View PostRyzen 7 3800X, ASUS Prime X470 Pro, KFA2 RTX 3090 SG, 16GB Crucial DDR4 LPX 3000 Ram, iiyama G-Master GB3466WQSU 3440x1440 freesync 144hz, 250gb Samsung SSD, 750mb Seagate SSHD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda H/D, 1 TB Samsung H/D, 850w PSU, Windows 10Comment
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Id try that first sure. But to get proper mounting might need to unscrew/loosen the outside ones first... When you see that tilting it fixed it most times the mounting has to be damn near micron perfect... even the slightest tightening might fix it. I just think that just tightening might make it too tight on one side vs another tho and always been a bit warry since I crushed an athlon on its edge a long time ago before I got a shim for it. Luckily it still worked but seeing the broken edge of it, probably was just enamel, was scary.Originally posted by Falck View PostLast edited by pax; Dec 27, 2022, 08:21 AM.Comment
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I see, thanks. I'll try that first! Btw, where, or what company, are producing these MBA cards? Is it at the factories from the brand on the box?Originally posted by pax View PostComment
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Its the prices I find that dont make a one gen upgrade worthwhile... I mean looks like they want 1000$+ for the 4070ti. Thats nuts and the 7900xtx while it may gain 15% over 6 months is ~2k here. Hoping by next summer things settle...Originally posted by LordHawkwind View PostComment
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Update on "fixing" my cards hotspot:
Removed the backplate, and went to check the screws mounting the cooler and I must say I was surprised! I was able to easily tighten the screws at least a quarter turn! All of them, even the ones for the retention frame! I know there's a torque spec, but I've dissassembeled and assembeled my fair share of graphicscards and this one is by far the lightest tightened cooler I've ever come across!
I haven't tested anyting yet, but the card is alive in windows, apparently
EDIT: Didn't work to just tighten the card... Still getting hotspot @110 while GPU temp is 55-60.Last edited by Falck; Dec 27, 2022, 09:18 AM.Comment
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Ok, so a little update:
I re-pasted the GPU with KingPin KPx, long story short: Sounds good, didn't work for me...Comment
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What is the cause of the hotspot? Didn't watch the videoCROSSHAIR X670E HERO / R9 7950X3D / RTX 4090 GAMING OC / TRIDENT Z5 NEO RGB 6000 CL30 / SAMSUNG 980pro 1TB / 2x SAMSUNG 980 1TB / H150i ELITE LCD / ATH-A2000Z / HX1200 / AW3821DW 38" / LG C2 OLED evo 55" / Enthoo 719 / K70 MKII + Zowie S2 / K57 + Harpoon / Xbox Series X Controller / REVERB G2 V2
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Not sure but the 6000 gen MBA cards had a cooler designed by Saphirre FWIR in the day. This one looks a lot like the previous gen so probably same.Originally posted by Falck View PostComment
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That is unfortunate. The sample Der Bauer had was fixed with repaste and remount. If you can't resolve that issue I would try to RMA or get it back to the retailer for an exchange.Originally posted by Falck View Post
If you haven't seen the Der Bauer video you might want to check if he did anything differently and go from there before you return it.
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He ran the card on a test bench(vertical orientation), so he fixed an issue, but he never tested if he fixed THE issue.Comment
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Just created a support ticket at XFX, curious about what they say.Comment
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Strange as it seems, apparently some Displayport cables can cause high hot spot temperatures if pin 20 is connected. So, you may want to try a different cable and see if it helps (maybe even try using HDMI temporarily to check).Comment
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Still no stock of the 7900XTX that I can find at main UK retailers. With this hot spot issue I think I'll maintain a watching brief for a few months to see how it all pans out. In no rush. Happy New Year everyone!!Ryzen 7 3800X, ASUS Prime X470 Pro, KFA2 RTX 3090 SG, 16GB Crucial DDR4 LPX 3000 Ram, iiyama G-Master GB3466WQSU 3440x1440 freesync 144hz, 250gb Samsung SSD, 750mb Seagate SSHD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda H/D, 1 TB Samsung H/D, 850w PSU, Windows 10Comment
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Going by this derbauer video, there is no DIY fix, if you got one of the bad cards, RMA it.Comment
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Interesting hope he gets around to do a couple more things like cutting open a good cooler vs a bad one and maybe measure the fluid if possible. Might be difficult on that last thing tho if the amount of fluid is too little as he says as recuperating it might be very difficult.
Id also swap coolers between 2 gpus to see if its a cooler issue or a silicon issue...Last edited by pax; Jan 1, 2023, 01:34 PM.Comment
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I'll test with just HDMI. If it works I have to find out if my HP Reverb G2 has that pin20 active. If so I need HP to manufacture and send me a new cable without pin 20 being connected XDOriginally posted by Nagorak View PostComment
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It's probably a long shot that is the problem, but at least worth trying.
There seems to also be some other issue with the vapor chamber based on Derbauer's testing.
I am just shaking my head at the 7900 launch at this point. I've tried to give AMD the benefit of the doubt in the past because they did a good job with Zen, and they delivered pretty well with Radeon 6000 series, but this is just a total cluster. It's not just the card falling far short of what their cherry picked gaming benchmarks suggested, even the cooler itself is defective. I honestly don't even know what to say.
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Rumor is they tried to beat the tarriffs deadline of Jan 1st, since delayed by 9 months, so released an unfinished product. Id offer replacements for any overheating cards. They could easily be sent to aib's to have a proper cooler put on them assuming its just the cooler thats the issue.Comment
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You fellows are still around
Waited long time for a new gpu.Completely satisfied custom aib card xtx.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/2020993
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Ya aib coolers seems to be mostly fine... tho a few did also report high deltas between gpu and hot spot temps... shouldnt be more than 15c usually... I just ran furmark and it was 15c on my old vega 64.Comment
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https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...about_hotspot/
So it would seem to be lack of fluid in the vapor chamber of some cards.According to OEM cooler manufacturer source of igorsLAB:First feedback from a manufacturer: they suspect that at least one batch simply had too little liquid introduced. This could also explain the dependence on position. Hanging horizontally, the condensate would then no longer come up.
https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/...bleme-hotspot/
26% affected according to this poll...Comment
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https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7...ntial-problem/
Some more info as Derbauer dug into the cooler. Not enough fluid in some coolers being speculated being a major issue but he also mentions part of the coolers vapor chamber seemed to be separate. Or possibly wrong pressure when it was built in as they need to be a low pressure environment to work properly.
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Excellent video. Moral of the story, do not buy AMD reference. Stick to AIB this time.CROSSHAIR X670E HERO / R9 7950X3D / RTX 4090 GAMING OC / TRIDENT Z5 NEO RGB 6000 CL30 / SAMSUNG 980pro 1TB / 2x SAMSUNG 980 1TB / H150i ELITE LCD / ATH-A2000Z / HX1200 / AW3821DW 38" / LG C2 OLED evo 55" / Enthoo 719 / K70 MKII + Zowie S2 / K57 + Harpoon / Xbox Series X Controller / REVERB G2 V2
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The issue is once you pay the premium for an AIB you're getting even closer to the price of a 4080 FE.Comment
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AMD confirmed the issue
We are working to determine the root cause of the unexpected throttling experienced by some while using the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX graphics cards made by AMD. Based on our observations to-date, we believe the issue relates to the thermal solution used in the AMD reference design and appears to be present in a limited number of the cards sold.
We are committed to solving this issue for impacted cards. Customers experiencing this unexpected throttling should contact AMD Support (https://www.amd.com/en/support/contact-call).
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but i would never buy a founders edition either they are a pain to take apart if you want to water cool it and getting it back togather for a RMA would be hellOriginally posted by Nagorak View Post
and the only reasion i would ever buy a AMD reference is to water cool it ASAP but the coil whine kills thatComment
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Looks like a partial recall will happen... probably waiting to compile serial numbers for bad batches:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-radeo...cement-begins/
I deliberately waited until I could get congruent and plausible information through various information channels, which can now also shed some light after two to three weeks. While AMD’s support initially resisted even acknowledging the hotspot problem as such and described the 110 °C hotspot temperature as completely normal, the situation is now much more pleasant from the customer’s point of view.
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank in advance all those who have provided me with information over the last two or three weeks but who, for understandable reasons, do not want to or cannot be named. However, I explicitly point out that all this information should be considered preliminary until an official statement from AMD and that there could still be corrections to the mentioned numbers.
In this context, I had actually waited for yesterday, because a statement from AMD was communicated internally (I wrote about it several times that I would like to wait for this for the time being), but then it did not happen. I am therefore taking this incomprehensible delay as an opportunity today to bring some transparency to the matter.
The problem is already known for more than two weeks and is communicated between AMD and the distributors (internally) .. How exactly the problem will be communicated to the end customer has not yet been finally decided. … AMD’s statement was originally supposed to be made on January 3, 2023 at 6 p.m. CET, but it was postponed. (quote from email)Comment
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Herkelman responds to the cooler problems. Haven't heard the interview myself as I can't enable audio at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X87OzJ3bU7oComment
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Basically he said only cards made by AMD had a bad batch. You can contact them and they will replace it for you.Comment
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AMD continues to shoot themselves in the foot in terms of GPU'S.
Their prices also suck just like Nvidia's. Maybe Intel can save the true midrange gamer.Intel 10600K @4.9GHz, Nvidia RTX 3070(ZOTAC Twin Edge),MSI MPG 490 Gaming Edge, Corsair Vengeance 16GB 3200MHZ,LG 27GL850-B.Comment
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Prices should drop by summer. GPU's just arent selling. Tho sux that my Vega64 seems to have given up the ghost... running on the old R290 for a few months is doable but not much longer than that...Comment
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The really odd thing about the pricing is that third quarter GPU sales were atrocious. People clearly were not interest in buying even then, and other than cards being dropped in at the high end, prices across the board haven't gone down since then. The pricing structure just seems odd to me.Comment
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