Official AMD Radeon RX 7000 Series (RDNA 3) Thread

[bill dennison]

Die shot that kind of reveals they are going with one GCD only. Looks like the 7950xtxxx refresh will be just more speed faster ram and more Infinity Cache.

Unless they make a new package...





https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi...-been-pictured

that was always known

two smaller GCD's will still be bigger just takes a bigger interposer

unless they can stack them but i don't think so

[Android1]

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Pax, I have edited your die shot and PowerColor design posts with new image links. Bill, I have edited your last post since it contained a quote from pax.

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[Kombatant]

Getting ready to watch the show in half an hour.

[Android1]

You’re there in person? Awesome!

[Megaman]

Cards like dope.

[Mangler]

$999, get ****ed nvidia.

[DeathKnight]

[SSXeon]

$999, get ****ed nvidia.

YEP, loved how scott took shots about the connector and DP1.4!

[DeathKnight]

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Posted this before watching it, lol. I appreciate GN and their general thoroughness and no-nonsense reporting. IMO, Steve's getting a little too hung up on the marketing BS, especially given his channel's target audience. At the end of the day all that really matters is performance, price and the user experience.

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[Exposed]

Unlike last time, they avoided direct comparisons with Nvidia. This looks to be a slower card but priced where the performance should be in relation to a 4080/4090.

[SSXeon]

Unlike last time, they avoided direct comparisons with Nvidia. This looks to be a slower card but priced where the performance should be in relation to a 4080/4090.

True, but for $999 its a steal even if its 15% slower than 4090.

[Mangler]

I have to say, I never saw $999 coming after what the x670 ended up costing, I honestly though that AMD had gone full premium pricing on everything.

[Kombatant]

You’re there in person? Awesome!

I am in the Markham office. Where the magic happens

[Exposed]

True, but for $999 its a steal even if its 15% slower than 4090.

I don't even think it will be as fast as that. Because if it was they'd have priced it accordingly. They even avoided direct comparisons with the 3080/3090/3090Ti. Probably because if they did, we'd know (well indirectly) how it compares to the 4090, and so far the 4090 is a considerable generational leap over the 3090/3090 Ti (let alone 3080) that probably wouldn't show the 7900XTX in good light.

We'll know for sure in a month though.

[Destroy]

Dec 13, right, we'll see if there is true supply.

People thought the 4090 availability would be plentiful and wouldn't be a problem getting one, WRONG!

Same will happen to these cards. I'm referring to USA purchasing btw.

I didn't watch the meeting. Did they say anything on combating scalpers?

[Gandalfthewhite]

1.7x uplift in raster puts it directly inline with a 4090

1.6x RT (which looked like 1.4-1.6x puts that portion inline more with the 4080 16 gig

the 999 pricing is just AMD knowing they dont have the mindshare or marketshare to f*** around and wanted to punch NV in the teeth. which I applaud.

[SSXeon]

1.7x uplift in raster puts it directly inline with a 4090

1.6x RT (which looked like 1.4-1.6x puts that portion inline more with the 4080 16 gig

the 999 pricing is just AMD knowing they dont have the mindshare or marketshare to f*** around and wanted to punch NV in the teeth. which I applaud.

Also the price to make them is A LOT cheaper than AD102. But it sucks, that we can't pre-order or setup an account on AMD Direct. Bots will buy them all in about 1 nanosecond.

[Exposed]

1.7x uplift in raster puts it directly inline with a 4090

1.6x RT (which looked like 1.4-1.6x puts that portion inline more with the 4080 16 gig

the 999 pricing is just AMD knowing they dont have the mindshare or marketshare to f*** around and wanted to punch NV in the teeth. which I applaud.

We already know from 3rd party testing the 4090 is 2x or more faster than a 6950.

AMD's best case scenario is from their internal marketing slide. That is not inline with a 4090.

Their whole speel from the beginning was about performance per watt, coupled with the fact that the flagship draws only 380 watts, pretty much indicates they're not aiming for the performance crown this time around.

If the 7900XTX was in fact remotely competitive with the 4090, they would have flaunted it. There's a stark contrast in this presentation compared to their last launch in which they openly admitted to trading blows with the 3080 and had a bunch of benchmarks to show it. Not this time around, and I'm pretty sure they have an internal testing lab with Nvidia's 4090 laying around not collecting dust.

[andino]

It's a $1000 4090 raster with 3090 RT...

$600 less than the 4090.



Way to go AMD.

[Mangler]

They don't really need to beat the 4090 though, beating the 4080 will be enough in order to move cards.

[Nunz]

There's a lot of factors to consider.

4090 is roughly 70% faster than a 3090TI in Raster

7900XTX is roughly 70% faster (slides) than a 6950XT in Raster

6950XT and 3090TI were roughly equal at Raster

7900XTX is using 5nm node, with a 355w TDP/TGP. I would assume the 5nm node will scale well with increased power limit and voltage - better than the 4090, which scales pretty poorly above ~400w.

AIB cards will hopefully have higher power limits to allow higher clocks on the 7900XTX.

If the RT can be at least above a 3090TI, it won't be bad for $600 less.

Other thing to consider is that FSR is inferior to DLSS, at least right now.

Sitting here with my 3080TI, and quite frankly it's a difficult decision. Do I save the $600+, but lose DLSS and a reduced RT performance increase?

If RT turns out to be around Ampere, then AMD made a mistake.. again. Hoping that won't be the case.

[SSXeon]

We already know from 3rd party testing the 4090 is 2x or more faster than a 6950.

On average 4090 is 69.4% faster than the 6950XT in 4K. That is not 2x. It all depends on the game, some games might be 50% faster, others 90%. Your blanket statement is just wrong.


https://static.techspot.com/articles...rage_4K-p.webp

[Megaman]

The key to AMD winning now is where their RT perf sits. It will be just over 3090.

[pax]

How much an uplift in RT on 4090 is due to DLSS3? Also I think FSR3 has frame generation but they werent clear on that. Would make sense to have 2x the frames over FSR 2.2 tho.

Price is compelling. Gonna wait for reviews tho.

[Nunz]

FSR3 is DLSS3. Fake frames, but much less outrage for some reason .. I wonder why

4090 vs 3090TI RT uplift is massive, just like the raster uplift, with no DLSS at all. This isn't something you have to guess on.. there's plenty of information out there.

[pax]

Ya googled it quick and raw seems about 70% faster RT than 3090.

One thing tho that 355w is far lower than expected. A lot of leakers said 420-450w. I think they left a lot to the AIB's to run on for much higher clocked cards unlike nvidia's reference model. It doesnt seem like a 450w AIB model would be that outrageous.

With FSR3 and an AIB boosted card it could be a lot faster.

[Nunz]

I agree. My educated guess says the card will scale well to 425-450watt, but after that, heavily diminished returns.

The 7900XTX ASUS TUF has already been shown with 3x8pin.

AMD should focus on getting FSR2.x up to par with DLSS2.x image quality rather than this frame generation crap..

[Exposed]

On average 4090 is 69.4% faster than the 6950XT in 4K. That is not 2x. It all depends on the game, some games might be 50% faster, others 90%. Your blanket statement is just wrong.


https://static.techspot.com/articles...rage_4K-p.webp

You can pick and choose your average but it's already been show the 4090 can be CPU limited even at 4k. And when it's not, it absolutely trounces all the prior gen cards.

By the way, you do know you're comparing independent reviews to AMD's best case marketing slide, don't you? Or do you have a link to their 13 game average that I missed in the presentation?

[Nunz]

NVs own slides said ~70% raster improvement over the 3090ti.

The 4090 is CPU limited at 4K in what games? On what CPU? I've yet to see that in anything besides games that have historically been CPU limited anyway.

[Exposed]

NVs own slides said ~70% raster improvement over the 3090ti.

The 4090 is CPU limited at 4K in what games? I've yet to see that in anything besides games that have historically been CPU limited anyway.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...idia-rtx-4090/

DLSS3 frame generation was basically tailor made for those scenarios.

[Exposed]

And another one:

It's also important to note that the 55% average includes games that are still hitting CPU bottlenecks, like Flight Simulator. The RTX 4090 barely drops in performance going from 1080p ultra to 1440p ultra to 4K ultra — which is part of why Nvidia's DLSS 3 Frame Generation technology is so exciting, but we'll get to that in a bit.

In the eight individual test results, the RTX 4090 beats the 3090 Ti by anywhere from 11% (Flight Simulator) to 112% (Total War: Warhammer 3). Those are the two outliers, with the remaining six games falling in a tighter range of 46% (Far Cry 6, Red Dead Redemption 2) to 70% (Forza Horizon 5).

It's also worth noting what DLSS 2 in Quality mode does for performance in the four games that support it. Flight Simulator performance drops 4%, again due to the CPU limited nature. Horizon Zero Dawn only gains 10%, Watch Dogs Legion gets a 13% boost, and Red Dead Redemption performance improves by 14%. The RTX 3090 Ti saw up to a 35% increase in performance with DLSS 2 Quality mode, so again there are clear CPU bottlenecks coming into play, even at 4K.


https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...-4090-review/3


I mean, it's quite clear the 4090 is an absolute monster and even held back at 4k in many games, so you need to take that average over a 6950 and look at it real close. There's probably even more "free" 4k performance to be had with a 4090 with faster CPU's around the corner.

[Trunks0]

I hate the idea that interpolation is becoming the next thing... I'm really not interested in inserting junk fake frames for a BS boost to the frame rate. But I get why AMD is doing it. nVidia will market the crap out of it otherwise and hold it over everyone as something that proves they are better. So **** it.

I'm more interested if AMD is going to go the XeSS style route with the resolution scaling portion. A non-AI accelerated path and an enhanced AI path like XeSS. Or if they manage to make improvements that make it not really worth it.

[Exposed]

I hate the idea that interpolation is becoming the next thing... I'm really not interested in inserting junk fake frames for a BS boost to the frame rate. But I get why AMD is doing it. nVidia will market the crap out of it otherwise and hold it over everyone as something that proves they are better. So **** it.

I'm more interested if AMD is going to go the XeSS style route with the resolution scaling portion. A non-AI accelerated path and an enhanced AI path like XeSS. Or if they manage to make improvements that make it not really worth it.

There's nothing wrong with it IMO as long as latency is not affected for the worse.

Ive turned this on my old LG TV and enjoyed it even with the added latency it brought. Glad AMD is going this route too, so now we have a better native method rather than the TV without the drawbacks of traditional frame interpolation.

[Nunz]

I hate the idea that interpolation is becoming the next thing... I'm really not interested in inserting junk fake frames for a BS boost to the frame rate. But I get why AMD is doing it. nVidia will market the crap out of it otherwise and hold it over everyone as something that proves they are better. So **** it.

I'm more interested if AMD is going to go the XeSS style route with the resolution scaling portion. A non-AI accelerated path and an enhanced AI path like XeSS. Or if they manage to make improvements that make it not really worth it.

Yeah the last couple posts are why this frame generation garbage is such an issue. Spiderman framerate might look high but it plays terribly. It works well in MSFS2020, and that's about it.

Looks good for numbers, but those numbers don't really matter.

[Nascar24]

I don't even think it will be as fast as that. Because if it was they'd have priced it accordingly. They even avoided direct comparisons with the 3080/3090/3090Ti. Probably because if they did, we'd know (well indirectly) how it compares to the 4090, and so far the 4090 is a considerable generational leap over the 3090/3090 Ti (let alone 3080) that probably wouldn't show the 7900XTX in good light.

We'll know for sure in a month though.

Yea I'm skeptical, definitely looks like a better card than the 4080 but really not in the same league as the 4090 and priced accordingly.

[SSXeon]

You can pick and choose your average but it's already been show the 4090 can be CPU limited even at 4k. And when it's not, it absolutely trounces all the prior gen cards.

By the way, you do know you're comparing independent reviews to AMD's best case marketing slide, don't you? Or do you have a link to their 13 game average that I missed in the presentation?

You said 4090 is 2x. You are wrong. I gave you a average test from Techspot. I guess I picked and chose it, o wait I didn't, Steve and Tim did.

I never said anything about the AMD presentation, I was fact checking your statements. I could give a crap about how much people love companies cards, its just false statements do very little to help the community.

[Exposed]

You said 4090 is 2x. You are wrong. I gave you a average test from Techspot. I guess I picked and chose it, o wait I didn't, Steve and Tim did.

I never said anything about the AMD presentation, I was fact checking your statements. I could give a crap about how much people love companies cards, its just false statements do very little to help the community.

That's funny, it's about 2x faster when not CPU limited. Less than when it is. You're the one who brought up averages, which includes CPU limited cases, not me.

You may wanna reread those links I posted.

[SSXeon]

That's funny, it's about 2x faster when not CPU limited. Less than when it is. You're the one who brought up averages, which includes CPU limited cases, not me.

You may wanna reread those links I posted.

Sorry I apologize. I keep forgetting 4k is CPU limited by tomshardware benchmarks. Ill reread them ASAP.

[Exposed]

Sorry I apologize. I keep forgetting 4k is CPU limited by tomshardware benchmarks. Ill reread them ASAP.

I mean, you can make light of it all you want, but it's pretty standard knowledge a 4090 is going to be CPU limited in many cases starting from 1440p and bleeding into 4k. So that will skew your "13 game average" results, and many sources already acknowledge this.

If AMD really thought they had a 4090 competitor even if just in rasterization, they'd have shown it (and priced it accordingly)...especially after all the digs they took during the presentation.

But it's pointless to talk about this further until the same independent reviewers that benchmarked the 4090 also do the same for the 7900XTX. So we'll see until then.

[SSXeon]

I mean, you can make light of it all you want, but it's pretty standard knowledge a 4090 is going to be CPU limited in many cases starting from 1440p and bleeding into 4k. So that will skew your "13 game average" results, and many sources already acknowledge this.

But 7900XTX is not CPU limited? How do we know?

If AMD really thought they had a 4090 competitor even if just in rasterization, they'd have shown it (and priced it accordingly)...especially after all the digs they took during the presentation.

The Digs were funny, yes they would have shown them losing in benchmarks. Does it matter if the card is priced at $999. Remember 4870?

But it's pointless to talk about this further until the same independent reviewers that benchmarked the 4090 also do the same for the 7900XTX. So we'll see until then.

OK we are on the same page finally. Im going to bed, but good times my friend.