Official AMD Radeon RX 7000 Series (RDNA 3) Thread

[badsykes]

I sold the Vega56 with 400euros / 460$.

[pax]

Man thats more than I paid for my vega 64... so long ago I forget when I bought it... 2.5 to 3 years ago?

[badsykes]

Man thats more than I paid for my vega 64... so long ago I forget when I bought it... 2.5 to 3 years ago?

Vega line apeared in 2017.I mistakenly inflated the dollar sum a bit.Now i corrected it.

[pax]

Still more I bought the Vega 64 for 375$ on an ebay sale. It was quite some time after it was released tho almost 2 years IIRC.

[badsykes]

Still more I bought the Vega 64 for 375$ on an ebay sale. It was quite some time after it was released tho almost 2 years IIRC.

i bought mine when it launched in 2017 from UK and payed 450 euros / 500$ with international shipping.

[acroig]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-RX-7000-takes-the-fight-to-GeForce-RTX-40-as-entry-level-Navi-33-will-supposedly-and-efficiently-outperform-flagship-Navi-21.608364.0.html

[pax]

Good news if true but those rumors have been repeated on a regular basis now so we can be optimistic. The anticipation for this next gen is probably one of the highest... I had wanted the HD 7900 way back when but had bought the HD 6950 so had skipped it. Not this time tho Mammon willing.

[acroig]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidias-monolithic-rtx-4080-4090-gpus-likely-to-be-slower-than-amds-chiplet-based-radeon-rx-7800-xt-7900-xt-gpus-report/

[pax]

The power usage of 500-600w we are regularly getting for the nvidia part sound insane when you know they went back to tsmc on 5nm from samsung 8nm... And if they still cant beat the n31 that says a lot.

[bill dennison]

if true and RDNA 3 is 20% to 40% faster than NV lets say at rasterization only and say only 5% faster at Raytracing with lower power requirements
and 4090 does draw like 600+ watts

wonder if it will follow on to RDNA 4 & 5 like Ryzen did
5 years of Ryzen gives AMD a very big advantage over NV with chiplets, RDNA 4 will most likely have 3 GPU Chiplets

now lets say chiplet RDNA 3 is 10% to 30% cheaper than NVidia's monolithic Lovelace design from much better yields and AMD cutting MSRP to the bone like they did with Ryzen 1


lets hope it chokes at mining and mines worse than RDNA 2

..............
it's going to be fun watching the NV diehards justifying still buying NV with a thermonuclear PSU

[pax]

Itd be nice because I cant see putting more than 4000$ on a new rig when the new stuff comes out... Id like to keep it at 3500$ CAD actually.

[bill dennison]

Radeon RX 6900 XT Might Get Beat By A Mid-Range RDNA 3 Graphics Card

Greymon55 is a popular, Digimon-themed hardware news leaker, and he's been busy lately. Early this month, he tweeted vaguely about a product entering its "bring-up" phase, which is the testing phase after "tape out" when a company receives its first shipment of etched dice from the foundry.

https://hothardware.com/news/radeon-rx-6900-xt-might-get-beat-by-midrange-rdna-3-card

[Sasquach]

I guess it might seem like its becoming more and more true....

But will it be priced accordingly?
Or is this "midrange part" gonna be priced more like a high end part?

[pax]

I think itll beat it in RT but raster not sure... I mean they are talking about a part with a 128 bit bus. Sure itll have as much if not more Infinity Cache but still.

[bill dennison]

AMD Radeon RX 7950 XT ‘RDNA 3’ Graphics Card Rumored Specs Detailed: 15360 Cores, 32 GB Memory, 512 MB Infinity Cache Up To 2.5 GHz & 500W TBP

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7950-xt-rdna-3-graphics-card-rumored-specs-detailed-15360-cores-32-gb-memory-512-mb-infinity-cache-up-to-2-5-ghz-500w-tbp/

TSMC to Boost 4nm & 5nm Output by 25%: Ada Lovelace, Hopper, RDNA 3, Zen 4

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-to-boost-4nm-and-5nm-output-by-25-percent

[acroig]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7...-ghz-500w-tbp/

All the new cards will be very power hungry.

[Mangler]

The 7900xt will probably be a little more reasonable, the 7950xt is probably like the 3090 ti, max performance, no matter the cost.

[bill dennison]

The 7900xt will probably be a little more reasonable, the 7950xt is probably like the 3090 ti, max performance, no matter the cost.

don't need 32 GB eating watts and not used at 4k

and 500 watts with 32GB is good compared to 600 to 850 for the 4090

now we know the real reason for the Lovelace name

4090 in Deep Throat 2022

[Nunz]

32gb of what... hoping they don't go with a stupidly tiny bus size again, and not slow ass gddr6

[pax]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7...-ghz-500w-tbp/







https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ts...-by-25-percent

Its from an April fools joke from greymon55... I literally was seconds from posting this yesterday lol.

https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1509908908919250950

Greymon55
@greymon55
7950XT ��
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Don't forget what day it is.

April fools is the one day I dont care too much for...

[bill dennison]

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[pax]

The navi 33 specs sound more realistic...

[bill dennison]

The navi 33 specs sound more realistic...

I only care about 31

[pax]

I think 31 will be close to rtx4k but it may beat it handily in TDP. Wouldnt be surprised after all the leaks to see it be ~100-150w less than nvidia's top end.

Last I heard navi 31 tops out at 450w. Thatd be pretty amazing considering they are on the same 5nm node at TSMC. But thats what a solid cpu division gets you. Really good power optimization.

[bill dennison]

I think 31 will be close to rtx4k but it may beat it handily in TDP. Wouldnt be surprised after all the leaks to see it be ~100-150w less than nvidia's top end.

Last I heard navi 31 tops out at 450w. Thatd be pretty amazing considering they are on the same 5nm node at TSMC. But thats what a solid cpu division gets you. Really good power optimization.

i think it going to smoke RTX 4000 all but the top 4090 ti 3 mile island 800+ watt card that they build only enough for a few chosen reviewers and LN2 benchmarkers

if AMD releases first and is even close to as good as they say one of two things will happen with NV

1.. the 4080 and below will be DOA for all but diehard fans
maybe even the 4080 ti

2 ... or there will be a long delay to Hopper

[pax]

Nvidia could speed up their next gen they have the money for it but itd be summer-fall 20203 at the earliest. TSMC can only do so much. Itd give AMD a good 6-9 months at the top. Its probably due to the chiplet system that they can be that much lower tdp and Nvidia is behind on that note.

[Nunz]

i think it going to smoke RTX 4000 all but the top 4090 ti 3 mile island 800+ watt card that they build only enough for a few chosen reviewers and LN2 benchmarkers

if AMD releases first and is even close to as good as they say one of two things will happen with NV

1.. the 4080 and below will be DOA for all but diehard fans
maybe even the 4080 ti

2 ... or there will be a long delay to Hopper

yeah you said the same thing about the 6xxx series

[pax]

6000 series was way better than I thought it would be after the mediocre 5000. In pure raster its an amazing boost and beats the 3090. They do that again and it can pass Nvidia easy. Nvidia going large monolithic die is its achilles heel.

[bill dennison]

yeah you said the same thing about the 6xxx series

there are a lot of IF's about both the 7000's and 4000's at this point

but if these rumors are true or even close to true AMD will have a killer card

and NV will have a un-green power sucking card even if the top card does win

[Nunz]

6000 series was way better than I thought it would be after the mediocre 5000. In pure raster its an amazing boost and beats the 3090. They do that again and it can pass Nvidia easy. Nvidia going large monolithic die is its achilles heel.

No, the Achilles heel was NV going with an inferior node process. NV has corrected that going back to TSMC. I wouldn't be so impressed with the 6900XT beating the 3090 in Raster when the 6900XT was on a refined 7nm node while the 3090 was using Samsung's crap 8nm.

It's the same deal as people being so impressed with Ryzen 3000 and 5000.. it was competing against 14nm+8000. AMD looks good on paper until you realize they are keeping up due to a process advantage, not because of a design advantage. With NV going to TSMC, I wouldn't be so confident anymore; the process advantage is dwindling, especially with the power usage staying on the high-end.

The Samsung process was really .. really bad. We knew Samsung was a poor choice (a lot of us thought that was a mistake) to begin with but I think Ampere was Samsung's last chance to get it right. They didn't.

[acroig]

but if these rumors are true or even close to true AMD will have a killer card

and NV will have a un-green power sucking card even if the top card does win

If the rumors are true both 7000 and 4000 top end will be "un-green power sucking cards."

When did you become an eco warrior?

[pax]

No, the Achilles heel was NV going with an inferior node process. NV has corrected that going back to TSMC. I wouldn't be so impressed with the 6900XT beating the 3090 in Raster when the 6900XT was on a refined 7nm node while the 3090 was using Samsung's crap 8nm.

It's the same deal as people being so impressed with Ryzen 3000 and 5000.. it was competing against 14nm+8000. AMD looks good on paper until you realize they are keeping up due to a process advantage, not because of a design advantage. With NV going to TSMC, I wouldn't be so confident anymore; the process advantage is dwindling, especially with the power usage staying on the high-end.

The Samsung process was really .. really bad. We knew Samsung was a poor choice (a lot of us thought that was a mistake) to begin with but I think Ampere was Samsung's last chance to get it right. They didn't.

No I mean the monolithic die in RTX 4k. The leaks about 600w TDPs is pretty much related to the fact they stuck to a single large die imo.

[bill dennison]

If the rumors are true both 7000 and 4000 top end will be "un-green power sucking cards."

When did you become an eco warrior?

1982

i recycle tons of copper and aluminum and freon every year

and just started a 19.2kw solar system for the house .... well set up for Tesla solar to set up a system design and price about 50k for it one battery
if they won't give me the full 19.2 kw system i'll call someone else
got to get it done before my 2022 ford f150 lighting gets ready in the next year or two

i'm just not a eco fanatic


and yes the 7950 will be bad at 500 watts but the 7900 may well be better

but Lovelace is on a much higher porn level of sucking power

[acroig]

but Lovelace is on a much higher porn level of sucking power

ROFL!!!

[bill dennison]

ROFL!!!

i would love to go to the NVidia launch event and ask the jacket

"Is it true you named it Lovelace because it deepthroats your PSU "

[acroig]

Brutal!

[pax]

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4090-leaks-point-to-extremely-power-hungry-cards/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=socialflow

Those 600W+ TDP rumours are looking more and more likely.

Lovelace GPUs are set to be manufactured on TSMC's 4N fabrication process which is tweaked specifically for Nvidia. Despite the significantly smaller node, those rumours of 600W or even higher TDPs just won’t go away. Bear in mind we’re talking about the enthusiast class cards here, where power consumption is typically secondary to performance. We hope that the mid range and entry level cards will end up a lot more power thrifty. Imagine the hassles system integrators will face if they have to accommodate a 300W entry to mid level GPU.

Thats interesting in that I thought it would be on 5nm like Navi 3. To go that far on what is probably a very expensive node shows they have competition in the AMD 7000 gen.

[Megaman]

What about those rumors about 800w? That’s right, full of ****.

[acroig]

What about those rumors about 800w? That’s right, full of ****.

Those were for Ada I think.

[pax]

What about those rumors about 800w? That’s right, full of ****.

Only a few said 800w most said 600w. I think its a dead giveaway, besides the reliable industry leakers like greymon, that for them to go 4nm at the early higher cost that is in any case generally silicon these days, that they have a power

consumption issue.

Igor has another good breakdown here:

https://www.igorslab.de/en/where-the-600-watt-of-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-actually-comes-from-an-estimate-of-gpu-and-components/

2x the power of the 3090 for the gpu die alone...