Official 6x00 Stock Thread(or lack thereof)

[Nunz]

No problem man, I just want to buy a good MB,CPU and GPU ASAP.

Looking to go all AMD this time. But I've not ruled out an Nvidia card in spite of all my rants against the company.

An all AMD build is extremely appealing. The issue is actually getting any of the hardware. It's ridiculous this year. I can't believe I actually stood in a line outside a Microcenter from 4am to 10am to get a GPU

The 3080 is a great card. Definitely not the savior of gaming or excellent value that many reviewers have made it out to be, but at 4K, I don't really find AMD's offerings too enticing. As much **** as I give DLSS, it's a useful feature that immensely increases performance with a much smaller hit to image quality than your alternatives (lowering resolution, dropping shadow quality etc etc).

Regardless, I don't think consumers can go wrong with either option this generation. AMD really overpriced the 6800XT and the 6900XT, that seems pretty obvious to me looking at reviews. The 3080 is also overpriced, so is the 3070. IMO, the best cards right now are the 3060TI, the 6800XT, and the 3080. Everything else seems kind of pointless.

The 6900XT really could have packed a huge punch if they would have put a wider memory bus to allow it to stretch its legs at 4K, but nope, went for the profit margin route.

[acroig]

I was just typing most of what Nunz just said so I'll echo that. For the same price as a 6800XT a 3080 simply has more features that allow it to give a better visual quality.

Assuming you can find one to buy one of course.

[Riptide]

Couple people on [H], including Kyle, got a card. So far those are the only ones I know of.

I had that brief chance with the powercolor, but couldn't get myself through checkout.

As of now, I shut down some of my amazon bots that were after 6800 models and am now running just the two trying to get a 6900 reference. Will shut those down too end of next week, if I don't get an order in. I'll have something (gigabyte 6800xt) by then and at that point, I'm gonna chill on this for a while.

[NIGELG]

An all AMD build is extremely appealing. The issue is actually getting any of the hardware. It's ridiculous this year. I can't believe I actually stood in a line outside a Microcenter from 4am to 10am to get a GPU

The 3080 is a great card. Definitely not the savior of gaming or excellent value that many reviewers have made it out to be, but at 4K, I don't really find AMD's offerings too enticing. As much **** as I give DLSS, it's a useful feature that immensely increases performance with a much smaller hit to image quality than your alternatives (lowering resolution, dropping shadow quality etc etc).

Regardless, I don't think consumers can go wrong with either option this generation. AMD really overpriced the 6800XT and the 6900XT, that seems pretty obvious to me looking at reviews. The 3080 is also overpriced, so is the 3070. IMO, the best cards right now are the 3060TI, the 6800XT, and the 3080. Everything else seems kind of pointless.

The 6900XT really could have packed a huge punch if they would have put a wider memory bus to allow it to stretch its legs at 4K, but nope, went for the profit margin route.

Even the AMD CPU'S are hard to get. The problem is getting new rig components is nearly impossible right now.

[acroig]

Even the AMD CPU'S are hard to get. The problem is getting new rig components is nearly impossible right now.

Pretty much.

[bill dennison]

Couple people on [H], including Kyle, got a card. So far those are the only ones I know of.

I had that brief chance with the powercolor, but couldn't get myself through checkout.

As of now, I shut down some of my amazon bots that were after 6800 models and am now running just the two trying to get a 6900 reference. Will shut those down too end of next week, if I don't get an order in. I'll have something (gigabyte 6800xt) by then and at that point, I'm gonna chill on this for a while.

seems to be lots of 6900 xt's on ebay


1750 to 2k

[bill dennison]

An all AMD build is extremely appealing. The issue is actually getting any of the hardware. It's ridiculous this year. I can't believe I actually stood in a line outside a Microcenter from 4am to 10am to get a GPU

The 3080 is a great card. Definitely not the savior of gaming or excellent value that many reviewers have made it out to be, but at 4K, I don't really find AMD's offerings too enticing. As much **** as I give DLSS, it's a useful feature that immensely increases performance with a much smaller hit to image quality than your alternatives (lowering resolution, dropping shadow quality etc etc).

Regardless, I don't think consumers can go wrong with either option this generation. AMD really overpriced the 6800XT and the 6900XT, that seems pretty obvious to me looking at reviews. The 3080 is also overpriced, so is the 3070. IMO, the best cards right now are the 3060TI, the 6800XT, and the 3080. Everything else seems kind of pointless.

The 6900XT really could have packed a huge punch if they would have put a wider memory bus to allow it to stretch its legs at 4K, but nope, went for the profit margin route.

or it would have increased the die size and watts

a 50% Better Performance Per Watt was in the cards since Navi 1

and bigger die size also means less good chips

[pax]

If the numbers from the 128 megs of IC + 256 bit 16gbps ram are to be believed then theres no memory bw issue. If theres a bottleneck at 4k it may just be unoptimized drivers. Or something esle in the gpu we havent been told about yet.

If there was a mem bw issue Im sure amd would have put 18 gbps gddr6 ram instead of the standard 16gbps to get at that added perf going at the 3090.

[Gandalfthewhite]

I dont know if 384 bit bus was needed or if 18gbs would have gotten it over the line.

but yeah the cards to buy are 3060ti 6800xt or 3080

[CyanBlues]

I dont know if 384 bit bus was needed or if 18gbs would have gotten it over the line.

but yeah the cards to buy are 3060ti 6800xt or 3080

i would say only the 6800xt at reference model if you can buy one, at the price of AIB the 3080 is definitely the better buy

[Nunz]

If the numbers from the 128 megs of IC + 256 bit 16gbps ram are to be believed then theres no memory bw issue. If theres a bottleneck at 4k it may just be unoptimized drivers. Or something esle in the gpu we havent been told about yet.

If there was a mem bw issue Im sure amd would have put 18 gbps gddr6 ram instead of the standard 16gbps to get at that added perf going at the 3090.

You're being overly optimistic. The "numbers" you saw were complete marketing slides and we've seen zero implementation /results of it. There is no reason the 6800XT/6900XT should be losing gas at 4K compared to how dominant they are at lower resolutions. The only weak point of the card is the memory bus and/or the speed of the GDDR6.

You're "sure" they would have put a wider bus, but why? Wider bus is more expensive, and AMD potentially needed to cheapen the bus (and come up with a gimmick like Infinity Cache to try and soften the blow) in order to keep their profit margin. TSMC is very expensive, regardless of how much bulk AMD has bought.

Either way, the numbers speak for themselves. The card is obviously bottlenecking at 4K. I'm not sure if overclocking the memory will help if the bus is the issue; trying to push more bandwidth when the bus is already topped out won't do anything but make the bottleneck worse. If the bottleneck is what I suspect, then the wider bus would literally have made the 6900XT the de-facto card to buy regardless of RT performance.

@Bill ; the card is already pretty efficient perf/watt. There's no reason to gimp a $999 card for something like wattage. That's why the 6800XT and 6800 exist.

[Leprechaun]

I was just typing most of what Nunz just said so I'll echo that. For the same price as a 6800XT a 3080 simply has more features that allow it to give a better visual quality.

Assuming you can find one to buy one of course.

3080 was easy to find. Funny story, everyone's at computer shops looking for it without any luck, when I found it mingling with the appliances at my local Lowe's. In case I only said it 48x so far, the 3080 is GGggerrrrereaaatt!!! It is just running napalm hot.

[Riptide]

Judging by the amount of stock that shows up at microcenters, and admittedly this is somewhat of an anecdote, the 3080 is easier to get. One would hope so after a couple months have passed since the debacle of a launch. It also pops in stock more often if you follow discord channels, at online retailers.

It still goes in seconds and you still can't just buy one like a normal human unless you luck out.

No science to back this up. It feels like the 3080 is more accessible than the 6800/6900 series right now just based on what I'm reading from discord and forums.

Also read another rumor this morning that amd is going to cut manufacture of reference cards soon too.

[acroig]

seems to be lots of 6900 xt's on ebay


1750 to 2k

Motherfrackers....

[Crawdaddy79]

Judging by the amount of stock that shows up at microcenters, and admittedly this is somewhat of an anecdote, the 3080 is easier to get. One would hope so after a couple months have passed since the debacle of a launch. It also pops in stock more often if you follow discord channels, at online retailers.

It still goes in seconds and you still can't just buy one like a normal human unless you luck out.

No science to back this up. It feels like the 3080 is more accessible than the 6800/6900 series right now just based on what I'm reading from discord and forums.

Also read another rumor this morning that amd is going to cut manufacture of reference cards soon too.

This is my anecdote as well. I made a post a few pages back about seeing a pile of some 100+ 3080s behind the Online Order counter, all reserved by people who had waited in line since before midnight. And that pile was at 11AM, reduced by an hour of people buying them one after the other.

[LordHawkwind]

OK I would just like to profusely apologise for my unacceptable behaviour and posting last night. I was off work today so a combination of 8 pints of Belgian's finest lager (Stella Artois), Man United's appalling performance, tiredness and frustration got the better of me.

I can't even remember half the posts I did when I finally crawled out of bed at noon today. I'm not excusing my posts they were flat out wrong and I would like to apologise to anyone I may have offended especially Nigel G, Supergeil, NWR & Bill. It was unacceptable so please forgive me. As they say to err is human but to forgive is divine so I'm very sorry.

I've been a naughty boy and I shall sit on the naughty chair and face in the corner as a penance.

[LordHawkwind]

New card bought from a site I've never heard of in UK. Credit card accepted and says processing order (will update in morning) and paid for 2 day shipping by DPD. Said 5+ in stock so if no email tomorrow I'll just cancel. Hoping it's OK.

I'm realising life is too short and I can't take it with me so I'm throwing cautioun to the wind If it arrives I'll post a picture but can someone tell me how to do it?

[acroig]

New card bought from a site I've never heard of in UK. Credit card accepted and says processing order (will update in morning) and paid for 2 day shipping by DPD. Said 5+ in stock so if no email tomorrow I'll just cancel. Hoping it's OK.

I'm realising life is too short and I can't take it with me so I'm throwing cautioun to the wind If it arrives I'll post a picture but can someone tell me how to do it?

WHAT DID YOU BUY!!!

[bill dennison]

New card bought from a site I've never heard of in UK. Credit card accepted and says processing order (will update in morning) and paid for 2 day shipping by DPD. Said 5+ in stock so if no email tomorrow I'll just cancel. Hoping it's OK.



I'm realising life is too short and I can't take it with me so I'm throwing cautioun to the wind If it arrives I'll post a picture but can someone tell me how to do it?

oh thank the stars

WHAT DID YOU BUY!!!

who is in trouble NV or AMD


.........

good luck with it and have fun

[Nagorak]

There is a direct link to the 6900 product page, but it kept showing out of stock for me. Then IP ban because F5.

I know people blame this on bots, and I'm sure that may be part of this, but you have to consider there are hundreds if not THOUSANDS of actual people trying to get through this checkout process at the same time you and the bots are too. Is it any wonder, it seems practically impossible to get anything on launch with limited stock?

I managed to get a 6800 XT and 5600X into my cart, but couldn't bring myself to go through with the purchase. The problem is I don't actually want a 5600X, but instead a 5900X, and I didn't really want a reference 6800 XT.

[Nagorak]

I was just typing most of what Nunz just said so I'll echo that. For the same price as a 6800XT a 3080 simply has more features that allow it to give a better visual quality.

Assuming you can find one to buy one of course.

The one thing I think the 3080 has over the 6800 XT is DLSS, and DLSS also means it has usable ray tracing (without RT the need for DLSS isn't that great since you generally are already getting enough performance). AMD really needs to come out with their answer to that ASAP. Especially if it can be universally used, even if it is a bit lower quality, it would offer a good alternative.

The lower base RT performance (excluding DLSS) is not a plus, but at this point RT games are still so few and far between that I'm not sure it matters that much, especially if the 6800 XT is cheaper and more efficient (granted right now the AIB cards are not cheaper, but then again everything is out of stock and being scalped anyway).

[badsykes]

I managed to get a 6800 XT and 5600X into my cart, but couldn't bring myself to go through with the purchase. The problem is I don't actually want a 5600X, but instead a 5900X, and I didn't really want a reference 6800 XT.

[pax]

I managed to get a 6800 XT and 5600X into my cart, but couldn't bring myself to go through with the purchase. The problem is I don't actually want a 5600X, but instead a 5900X, and I didn't really want a reference 6800 XT.

Id have grabbed the 6800xt ref as its prized by water cooler enthusiasts apparently and its going out of production soon. If only to make a few bucks on the side to help pay for a pricier AIB/6900xt.

One rumor has it that SR/DLSS for amd is coming out with the 6700xt. I guess we'll see.

Really thought it would have been out for CP2077 but its probably not an easy thing to program for.

[CyanBlues]

i think i'd rather have the reference to make the price difference worth it, with aib 6800xt are expensive, even more then some aib 3080

[Crawdaddy79]

Nagorak won the lottery and shredded the ticket.

Should have scalped them both.

[Riptide]

Id have grabbed the 6800xt ref as its prized by water cooler enthusiasts

Well shoot I hope so. This 6800xt reference gigabyte card, supposedly going to ship in a couple days if amazon is to be believed, cost 149 over every other one out there. But it's the one I could get.

Maybe in April or whenever I can get a 6900xt AIB I can re-sell this and get some of my cost back.

This 5500xt is not a bad little gpu, but it most def is not up to anything over 1080p.

[acroig]

The one thing I think the 3080 has over the 6800 XT is DLSS, and DLSS also means it has usable ray tracing (without RT the need for DLSS isn't that great since you generally are already getting enough performance). AMD really needs to come out with their answer to that ASAP. Especially if it can be universally used, even if it is a bit lower quality, it would offer a good alternative.

The lower base RT performance (excluding DLSS) is not a plus, but at this point RT games are still so few and far between that I'm not sure it matters that much, especially if the 6800 XT is cheaper and more efficient (granted right now the AIB cards are not cheaper, but then again everything is out of stock and being scalped anyway).

[KAC]

The one thing I think the 3080 has over the 6800 XT is DLSS, and DLSS also means it has usable ray tracing (without RT the need for DLSS isn't that great since you generally are already getting enough performance). AMD really needs to come out with their answer to that ASAP. Especially if it can be universally used, even if it is a bit lower quality, it would offer a good alternative.

The lower base RT performance (excluding DLSS) is not a plus, but at this point RT games are still so few and far between that I'm not sure it matters that much, especially if the 6800 XT is cheaper and more efficient (granted right now the AIB cards are not cheaper, but then again everything is out of stock and being scalped anyway).

Nvidia has far more than one thing.

[pax]

AIB 6900xt's out Dec 17th?

https://www.techpowerup.com/275798/powercolor-announces-radeon-rx-6900-xt-red-devil

With three 8-pin PCIe connectors for maximum reliability and the highest performance, the PowerColor Red Devil is able to deliver up to 480w of power.

Available starting December 17, 2020.

They recommend a 900w ps for this puppy.

[acroig]

AIB 6900xt's out Dec 17th?

They recommend a 900w ps for this puppy.

, where's Bill? He needs a better room heater in Phoenix and his own solar electric array.

[pax]

Theres a liquid devil also coming so Im sure that one will need a 1000w or more ps...

[acroig]

Theres a liquid devil also coming so Im sure that one will need a 1000w or more ps...

How much will that be?

[bill dennison]

, where's Bill? He needs a better room heater in Phoenix and his own solar electric array.

bet it won't need it or use those 3 - 8 pin plugs and will still suck less power than a stock 3090

and i'm still set up for SLI/CFX and have a 1200 & 1050 watt PSU's


we need SLI/CFX back with 2077 killing all single GPU's

[Treeckcold57]

Where are the 6800 XT in the stocks?? I need a 6800XT so badly since i already played Cp2077 last night. I managed got a 40-50 FPS at 1440p, but graphic still looks good with a right tweak settings. I definitely need a better gpu.

[bill dennison]

Where are the 6800 XT in the stocks?? I need a 6800XT so badly since i already played Cp2077 last night. I managed got a 40-50 FPS at 1440p, but graphic still looks good with a right tweak settings. I definitely need a better gpu.

AMD or NV they are all on ebay

[acroig]

AMD or NV they are all on ebay

Sad but true.... f'ing scalpers.

[LordHawkwind]

seems to be lots of 6900 xt's on ebay


1750 to 2k

Saw an article where Ebay are starting to clamp down on 6800/6900 sales as people are actually selling PICTURES of the cards instead of the real thing because they don't actually have the cards. Of course this costs Ebay money in refunds so their not happy. One guy even bought a PS5 for $900 and received a PS5 fake box with a breeze box in it. Again Ebay compensated him. Any idiot who buys off those kind of sites get what they deserve IMHO.

You can easily buy the 3090 now in the UK which is what I did last night for USD 1,600 but bottled it this morning when it went to packing and shipping and cancelled it. A stupid frustrated impulse buy but common sense kicked in. I scratched the itch I'm happy now.

[LordHawkwind]

Interesting but sad reflection on where we are today with top tech purchases.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/318114-every-cpu-gpu-and-console-debut-this-fall-was-effectively-a-paper-launch

[pax]

I just got a notice of the current shipping situation and its for something thats not nearly in demand as a GPU (tho I cant wait to get it!) but probably applies:

December 9, 2020 Update:

Shipageddon, Ending non-US orders, LTT review

Let’s cut to it. Shipping Update

All of the Elites that have been ordered have shipped from Taiwan (where they are made) plus more (yes, even if you ordered one minute ago; welcome. We’ve been chronicling our ups and downs in these updates all year).

If you have recently joined us, please know that because air shipping costs skyrocketed to 3-7x their normal values earlier in the year due to COVID-19, we must ship Elites from Taiwan by ocean freight, which takes about 2-3 weeks.

Shipageddon

The port of LA is like Darth Vader, Thanos, Voldemort, Sauron, and the borg all mixed together to form one giant evil super villain. There is a massively long wait to get past customs at the port of LA, where most of our Elites must go through (including non-US orders). Due to the virus + holidays, companies and consumers have all shifted to e-commerce. The ports are at maximum capacity. It’s a mess. We receive no information regarding where our shipments are in the queue- not until they make it past customs. If you would like to know more about Shipageddon, please click here or here or here.

We’ve sent increasingly larger shipments from Taiwan every week since mid-October, and now, they’re just stuck. Grinding halt. We are truly and sincerely sorry for the long wait.

Our first and second shipments made it past customs in November, each waiting roughly two weeks at the port. These were also our smallest shipments since they were our first batches, each with a little more than 100 Elites. Our third shipment finally just made it past customs yesterday, Dec. 8 (after waiting 2+ weeks). Two shipments are currently waiting in the port right now. We’ve got three large shipments scheduled to arrive for the next three weeks, which will fulfill the pre-orders plus more.

Please know, once your Elite is past customs and in the hands of our shipping partner, we will email you with tracking information (we did miss a few of you guys in our second shipment while we were working out kinks in our system).

Until then, any estimated time of delivery is more of a haphazard guess since it’s based on when your shipment is scheduled to arrive at the port (somewhat accurate) and getting through customs (as accurate as a stormtrooper shooting at a target, i.e., laughably not accurate).

Note on EU orders if you ordered before the end of November

From our last update (Nov. 19), remember that we had a shipment of Elites headed to Europe but we had to cut ties with our shipping partner. While we still do not have a definitive delivery estimate, progress is being made. The shipment is in Germany and waiting to go through customs (which has to take less time than in the US); it will then be transferred to our new shipping partner’s warehouse in Ireland. Again, once a tracking number is generated, we will notify you.

Note on Canadian and Australian pre-orders

These shipments were shipped directly to Canada and Australia. The Canadian shipment is in Canada and waiting to go through customs. The Australian shipment was recently shipped, and we do not have an estimated delivery just yet. Once a tracking number is generated, we will notify you.

Closing non-US orders after Tuesday, Dec. 15

After Dec. 15, we will only take orders that will be delivered in the US. Now that the pre-ordered Elites are all made and shipped, the plan is that retailers worldwide will get inventory and start selling in their regions.

Currently, we have partnered with retailers in Canada, the EU, Australia, Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Singapore, and Malaysia with hopefully more to come soon. If your country is not listed, feel free to send us a message with your preferred retailer.

Once we have fulfilled our pre-orders, our retailers have the greenlight to start selling.

Linus Tech Tips Review!

Sorry we didn’t send out the first review when it came out on Saturday, November 21. We had been told that it would be released the following Wednesday but it popped up unexpectedly on Saturday, and the person that would have sent the email was out camping in the woods unconnected to the world and got quite the surprise when returning to civilization on Tuesday. Then, we were completely swamped + Thanksgiving + waiting on good shipping news to send out (third shipment finally came through yesterday, whew).

Linus Tech Tips: Water Cooling Performance for Half the Price

We have sent out test units to everyone that reviewed the prototype plus more. We haven’t received any confirmation on when other reviews will be out unfortunately.

A Big Thanks to Everyone

It’s been a long 2+ years to get IceGiant and the ProSiphon Elite launched. While 2020 has been different for everyone, quite honestly, all things considered, it’s been a good year for IceGiant cause you’re with us now, and you’re pushing us forward. Thank you to everyone who has ordered or thought about ordering or were just interested in what we were doing and what we have planned for the future (spoiler: very cool things on the horizon).

IceGiant is a 2-person operation, and we’ve been hustling and grinding and pivoting and problem-solving just to keep the lights on, and now, finally, we have all of the pre-ordered Elites made, packaged, and shipped.

It is beyond exasperating that the last hurdle to get Elites delivered is outside our control, and we know how disappointed people are (and rightfully so). To those that are waiting for their Elite, humbly, we ask for your continued patience.

Also, if you’ve got a connection to Santa, please remind him that all we want for Christmas is getting Elites delivered!

[Nascar24]

Well shoot I hope so. This 6800xt reference gigabyte card, supposedly going to ship in a couple days if amazon is to be believed, cost 149 over every other one out there. But it's the one I could get.

Maybe in April or whenever I can get a 6900xt AIB I can re-sell this and get some of my cost back.

This 5500xt is not a bad little gpu, but it most def is not up to anything over 1080p.

Not likely or for sure dont count on it, I had a 3080 ordered from them and the date came and went without them updating it till after the day it was suppose to be delivered, that one I ended up canceling.