Official 6x00 Stock Thread(or lack thereof)

[KAC]

My buddy just picked up a 6900xt paired with 5900x, will run it through its paces against 3090

Ask him to run 4K benches.

[SuperGeil]

Ask him to run 4K benches.

It does just fine vs the more expensive 3090 here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBb8UF9DKfQ

... even on 8k.

[LordHawkwind]

It does just fine vs the more expensive 3090 here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBb8UF9DKfQ

... even on 8k.

Supergeil, this is the reality in the UK ATM regarding the 6900XT. They're selling for £1,399.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/peripherals/printers-and-scanners#

Only ships to UK & Ireland now we don't get on with the EU anymore, sadly. So the 6900XT is 10% less than what I paid for my 3090 not £500. Those cards have been on sale for about a week and most 3090's even at £1,900 sell out in a couple of days.

If AMD make more MBA 6900XT's and sell them for £999 the scalpers will just buy them up and sell on ebay for £1,399 for a nice easy profit.

Unfortunately that's reality I'm afraid. Virtually anyone who has bought a 6900XT or 3090 will tell you they've obviously overpaid but they were available, unlike the 3080 or 6800XT.

I'm not defending it I'm just pointing out the obvious.

[SuperGeil]

I always like it when you say my name, because it means super-horny.

[LordHawkwind]

So some Sapphire 6800XT Nitro OC+ at overclockers for £899.99 and £929.99. Strangely they're not flying off the shelves Only difference I can see is one has got some RGB bling and the other hasn't.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/peripherals/printers-and-scanners

[EYE4LYFE]

PowerColor Red Devil AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Gaming Graphics Card is available right now for $1,519.99 if interested.

https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-rx-6900-xt-axrx-6900xt-16gbd6-3dhe-oc/p/N82E16814131776?Item=N82E16814131776&Description=rx%206900%20xt&cm_re=rx_6900%20xt-_-14-131-776-_-Product&quicklink=true

[LordHawkwind]

PowerColor Red Devil AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Gaming Graphics Card is available right now for $1,519.99 if interested.

https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-ra...quicklink=true

I just clicked on the link and it shows UK pricing of £1,612.79. That's £50 more than I paid for my 3090.

[Riptide]

For the air cooled cards, the red devil seems to have the best cooler out of them all and I suspect the highest demand applies to it which is why the price is so high. Makes the asrock phantom I got look like a 'bargain' lol.

[LordHawkwind]

yea

but it takes that long to build a fab .

And the big question is who pays for it? Here's an interesting article concerning the proposed Samsung fab in Austin.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/319945-the-biden-administration-pledges-to-address-the-semiconductor-shortage

They want a lot of US$ off the federal and state government so it's going to cost the ordinary taxpayer. If it supplies high paid jobs then maybe the trade off is worth it but it can also bite you in the ass if you're not careful.

[bill dennison]

For the air cooled cards, the red devil seems to have the best cooler out of them all and I suspect the highest demand applies to it which is why the price is so high. Makes the asrock phantom I got look like a 'bargain' lol.

seems to have a good board also

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-xt-red-devil/3.html

if i can get a full water block for it if needed and it wasn't a limited edition
don't like to buy any card unless i know i can get a block

[LordHawkwind]

seems to have a good board also

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-xt-red-devil/3.html

if i can get a full water block for it if needed and it wasn't a limited edition
don't like to buy any card unless i know i can get a block

They make two versions and one is not Limited Edition but they are both limited by their lack of availability that's all. In UK it's about £1,400 so 40% over MSRP. That should roughly translate to $1,500 US$ but it might be cheaper as we always get shafted over here.

Here's the card for you bill water cooling all sorted.

https://videocardz.com/newz/powercolor-teases-radeon-rx-6800xt-6900xt-liquid-devil

No price mentioned but one can assume it will be devilishly high

[bill dennison]

They make two versions and one is not Limited Edition but they are both limited by their lack of availability that's all. In UK it's about £1,400 so 40% over MSRP. That should roughly translate to $1,500 US$ but it might be cheaper as we always get shafted over here.

Here's the card for you bill water cooling all sorted.

https://videocardz.com/newz/powercolor-teases-radeon-rx-6800xt-6900xt-liquid-devil

No price mentioned but one can assume it will be devilishly high

should be about the same as asus 3080 = 1000 usd

https://store.asus.com/us/item/202101AM070000002/A50243-ASUS-EKWB-GeForce-RTX-3080-10GB-GDDR6X-%28PCIe-4.0%2C-10GB-GDDR6X-memory%2C-HDMI-2.1%2C-DisplayPort-1.4a%2C-Auto-Extreme-Technology%2C-Protective-Backplate%2C-single-slot-design%2C-and-EK%C2%AE-water-block%29

i have not had a PowerColor in years but a 6800 xt Liquid Devil if it's the same ic board as the red devil


and that side of my case has that facing up

[pax]

In terms of air cooled the TUF is tops along with the msi... the other ones are generally good too.

The TUF cooler on the 6800 is 25 % heavier than the TUF 3080 so we know they went all out this time with a good amd specific design.

I still prefer saphirre or powercolor due to them having bit better access to amd chips and often better binned ones.

[acroig]

I still prefer saphirre or powercolor due to them having bit better access to amd chips and often better binned ones.

Is that still true though? With inventory this low you think that's still happening?

[LordHawkwind]

Is that still true though? With inventory this low you think that's still happening?

Tru dat. Need to get my posts up

[Crawdaddy79]

... And because I still check every day and don't even see this much

Now everybody don't all crowd the door for this awesome deal.

[Nunz]

I have no idea why Microcenter is gouging prices right now. I've never seen them do this before..

[Crawdaddy79]

I would bet they aren't as much as you think. I do support the fundamentals of supply and demand... Would much rather the extra cash going back into the industry than to scalpers.

[pax]

And the 6700xt is gonna go for 500$ tomorrow... apparently matches a 3070 so they are pricing it that way.


Man when is this ever going to end.

[Nagorak]

And the 6700xt is gonna go for 500$ tomorrow... apparently matches a 3070 so they are pricing it that way.


Man when is this ever going to end.

3070s aren't even being priced at $500 anymore. Ever since the tariff went into effect 3070s have moved up to like high $500s or $600 going by the EVGA site, with 3060 Tis moving up close to the $500 mark (one reason why the 3060 doesn't look like such a bad deal at MSRP despite being unimpressive overall).

At this point a 6700XT for $500 would be a good deal.

[pax]

479$ MSRP

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Still too much for me...

Dissapointed they didnt release Super Resolution with this. And AIB prices are rumored to be around 600$ so about the same as 3070 which it does match roughly.

Game clocks are a lot faster than the 6800's tho at 2400 mhz. ~25% faster and AIB's are sure to go even higher.

[LordHawkwind]

479$ MSRP

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Still too much for me...

Dissapointed they didnt release Super Resolution with this. And AIB prices are rumored to be around 600$ so about the same as 3070 which it does match roughly.

Game clocks are a lot faster than the 6800's tho at 2400 mhz. ~25% faster and AIB's are sure to go even higher.

WTF. Surely this has got to be total BS.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-release-date-specs-performance-price/

Cowcotland are claiming only 100 MBA units and 100 AIB to be made available at launch and MBA going to EOL straight after. Other sites are claiming better availability.

Hopefully this is more accurate.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/3/22310653/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-price-release-date-availability-gpu-graphics

[NIGELG]

Looks like a good 3070 competitor or even beater.

[Trunks0]

I'm perfectly happy. It's sitting in exactly the price/performance ratio spot I'm interested in. Low availability is a duh and utterly un-avoidable scenario at this point. Welcome to 2021, it's like 2020 but without the shock factor.

[pax]

Ya no I doubt availability will be that low. I mean 100 units for all of France on launch day? That makes no sense.

But will it sell out for the first couple months and be grossly overpriced even as MSRP is overpriced? Sure.

[pax]

I'm perfectly happy. It's sitting in exactly the price/performance ratio spot I'm interested in. Low availability is a duh and utterly un-avoidable scenario at this point. Welcome to 2021, it's like 2020 but without the shock factor.

Its ~50% faster than my vega 64 but without showcasing RT perf on CP2077 at 1440p and super resolution its not an easy upgrade for me for now.

Vega plays well still tho its crazy to see this 2560 shaders gpu beat vegas 4064 shaders even worse than the 5700xt.

[_mulder]

This had me spit coffee through my nose when I saw that this morning

99 grand for a RTX3060. I guess this is marketing at its best, not to put 100 k!

I know it's likely a placeholder but still, it might not be too far from the reality for the Canadian market!!!!

https://www.newegg.ca/gigabyte-gefor...82E16814932402

Edit: and they still would charge 10$ for shipping

[LordHawkwind]

Harsh but seemingly true I'm afraid. Despite launching the 6800/6900XT AMD has actually lost market share which is a bit troubling. As the article says if the 6700XT goes the same way with supply issues the market share drop will continue. Currently AMD's market share is just 18%.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/amd-radeon-graphics-card-market-share-decline/

As the article states this doesn't reflect the quality of the products it's virtually all to do with supply issues some of which they could have seen coming and others which they couldn't. Paradoxically their market share drops just as they become competitive again at the top end. We are indeed living in interesting times.

[pax]

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TLDW: its a software based solution works on both Nav1 and Navi2 and is up to 2x perf improvement.

If true means we might see games on dlss/SR get better perf than Nvidia.

[Exposed]

Of course you can get up to 2x performance with a software only solution, at the expense of image quality.

Also until we get an in depth analysis of SR, don't get your hopes up on a "software only" upscaler. This will probably be more similar to DLSS 1.0 than DLSS 2.0, especially without any kind of AI image processing involved.

[acroig]

You AMD guys need me to ban him from this forum?

[Exposed]

You AMD guys need me to ban him from this forum?

Word! Who needs logic anyway.

[acroig]

Word! Who needs logic anyway.

[KAC]

Dude selling a MSI 6800XT Trio for 1310 boners. Same price as a 3070 I can find. Similar hash rate as well.

[Trunks0]

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TLDW: its a software based solution works on both Nav1 and Navi2 and is up to 2x perf improvement.

If true means we might see games on dlss/SR get better perf than Nvidia.

"software based" is a stupid stupid thing to say . It's accelerated by the GPU.

[pax]

What hardware is leveraged by the software remains to be seen. It doesnt have to be worse than a dedicated hw solution. Even it means not having supercomputer ai timefor every title.

[Trunks0]

Of course you can get up to 2x performance with a software only solution, at the expense of image quality.

Also until we get an in depth analysis of SR, don't get your hopes up on a "software only" upscaler. This will probably be more similar to DLSS 1.0 than DLSS 2.0, especially without any kind of AI image processing involved.

Yup. We shouldn't be getting our hopes up till we see it in action.

What hardware is leveraged by the software remains to be seen. It doesnt have to be worse than a dedicated hw solution. Even it means not having supercomputer ai timefor every title.

nVidia isn't making heavy use of per-game training to pre-train the DLSS AI anymore. It's a more generalized AI now and makes use of temporal jittered data to create an output. It then compares that to what it thinks that should look like and goes from there. Which generally looks pretty damn great.

The lines between "Software" and "Hardware" based get blurrier everyday. But I think the simplest way to look at it now is, does run on the CPU? No? Then it's not really software accelerated.

[acroig]

The lines between "Software" and "Hardware" based get blurrier everyday. But I think the simplest way to look at it now is, does run on the CPU? No? Then it's not really software accelerated.

Good point!

[pax]

Well RT comes to mind when they added a 'software RT' leveraging regular shaders and it didnt run on cpu. It was still called a software solution.

Its a grey zone for sure. Having dedicated hw to a function is one thing but I think the amd version can be good while being less reliant on dedicated gpu hw. If its built off of TAA it should be decent. I think the diff in quality vs DLSS will be marginal at best when they combine it with Radeon Boost and Fidelity FX Contrast Adaptive Sharpening.

[Nunz]

How would Radeon Boost even work with something like this? Radeon Boost is a software algorithm lowering your rendering resolution during fast mouse movement; that's not compatible with things like DLSS and super resolution. The image resolution shifting wildly would make it impossible to have a steady image.

I'm also curious how you think a solution like Radeon Boost that is dropping the rendering resolution in some cases to 50% or lower in order to boost framerates is somehow going to help AMD compete with NV in the image quality department. Radeon Boost rapes IQ, it doesn't help.

Radeon Boost is super gimmicky anyway; reminds me of NV Reflex. It's all marketing garbage.