The Official Navi21 (RX 6000) rumor thread.

[MasterGoa]

Let the discussion begin!
80 CUs

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[bill dennison]

New AMD certification suggests the “Nvidia Killer” Big Navi GPU release date is close

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/big-navi-release-date

[Greasy]

Please be good! Also please don't release it at a $1200 price point.

[pax]

Saw a rumor of it having 8000 CU's. Trying to find that...

Looks like a new AMD gpu whether big navi or not is only about a month away:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu...raphics_card/1

PCGamesN has noted that AMD's Korean RRA listings typically come roughly a month before a new GPU reveal. AMD's RX 5500 XT (D18902) was listed less than a month before the graphics card's release on December 12th, while the Radeon RX 5600 XT was registered on December 3rd 2019 and released on January 3rd 2020.

This suggests that AMD's new D30201 graphics card will be released sometime within the next two months, with a potential reveal coming during AMD's Financial Analyst day in early March.

[Nascar24]

New cards maybe coming sooner than thought. Would have to believe Nvidia will release soon after if forced to do so.

[Gandalfthewhite]

NV would launch something I dont know if it would be 7nm parts.

My prediction
in between 2080 super - 2080ti perf for $699

DXR support that out performs nvidias RTX implementation

16 gigs of ram im leaning gddr6 but part of me thinks they may pull HBM out again for memory bandwidth to drive that monster.

250-300 watt peak power draw

[Nascar24]

If not more then a 2080 Ti it will be a letdown, everything out there now states it is. More then a 3080 is doubtful.

[bill dennison]

with China and Asia in lockdown

both NV and AMD stuff maybe delayed

[Gandalfthewhite]

If not more then a 2080 Ti it will be a letdown, everything out there now states it is. More then a 3080 is doubtful.

yeah but historically the hype train is wrong so.... im not holding my breath. If AMD comes out with a 2080 super - ti performance for sub super price it will be a win because it will start forcing NV to drop prices OR launch new cards. Especially if it has competitive performance with DXR enabled. IF AMD can get a card with DXR that out performs the 2080ti when both are using ray tracing it will be a win.

[Nascar24]

with China and Asia in lockdown

both NV and AMD stuff maybe delayed

They can still work in getting us our new cards the RTX Wuhan and the the Radeon Coronavirus

[Sasquach]

They can still work in getting us our new cards the RTX Wuhan and the the Radeon Coronavirus

Ray Traced microbe world rendering with the viewpoints from the virus in glorius VR!!

[pax]

https://www.techpowerup.com/263743/a...-have-its-bios

This looks like arcturus pro card only and not navi but the speculated specs are monstrous:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-mi100.g927

Shading Units
8192

TMUs
512

ROPs
128

Compute Units
128

L1 Cache
16 KB per CU

L2 Cache
8192 KB

Max. TDP
200 W

[bill dennison]

https://www.techpowerup.com/263743/a...-have-its-bios

This looks like arcturus pro card only and not navi but the speculated specs are monstrous:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-mi100.g927

looks like two vega 64's

[pax]

Cept its one die and only 200w. Thats pretty amazing.

[bill dennison]

AMD's Radeon RX 5950 XT might arrive sooner than expected

In the past, AMD’s Radeon RX 5700, RX 5700 XT, RX 5500 XT and RX 5600 XT were each released a month after passing their own certifications. This means that we could see a fresh batch of AMD Radeon graphics cards before the end of March, the Radeon RX 5950 XT front and center.

https://www.techradar.com/news/amds-...-than-expected

same
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ne...-navi-gpu.html

[bill dennison]

Rumour | Big Navi GPUs to feature at least 24 GB of HBM2e VRAM, 5,120 shading units and a 2,048 GB/s memory bandwidth

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Big-Na....454524.0.html



24gb seems a little much and costly

[acroig]

24gb seems a little much and costly

nV cards are going to look like bargains.

[Treeckcold57]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Big-Na....454524.0.html



24gb seems a little much and costly

Never say it's too much.....How about heavily Skyrim modded, Star Citizen @ 4K with max details, some few games with heavy mods? Better than let it uses your SSD as memory page. I would like to have 16GB at least especially the last time I played Deus Ex: Mankind Divided even if 8GB vRAM is more than enough to max the graphic settings. The frametimes was somewhat erratic....I had to downgrade from Ultra to High texture. It seem ran a lot of less hitches which is a pretty weird.

[Sasquach]

OK so if i sell my car i may be able to afford a Threadripper 3990X and a big navi card with cash to spare?

Sign me up!!!

[Nascar24]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Big-Na....454524.0.html



24gb seems a little much and costly

awwww yea!!!!

[bill dennison]

nV cards are going to look like bargains.

no i don't think 24gb of HBM2e will push them into NVidia stratosphere pricing

that is most likely a Radeon Pro Graphics card and the gaming card will be 16gb

but it is interesting they maybe going back to HBM memory with this HBM2e

https://semiengineering.com/hbm2e-th...-evolutionary/

or beginning to wonder if with double the 5700 xt specs and 24gb HBM if it is some form of MCM


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Alleged AMD Next-Gen Flagship Navi ‘Radeon RX’ GPU Specifications Leaked – 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2e Memory, 2 TB/s Bandwidth

AMD's Next-Gen, Flagship 'Big Navi' GPU Allegedly Leaks Out - 80 CUs, 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2E Memory & 2 TB/s Bandwidth

hell double the price to i will pay 800 to 900 for that

https://wccftech.com/amd-next-gen-fl...-24-gb-memory/

[EYE4LYFE]

Source (Guru3D): The twitter photo is a confirmed fake

Update February 26th, 7:53 - The SK Hynix team has contacted us indeed verifying our expectations, as well the technical configuration did not make much sense. The photo is fake.:

This is **** at SK hynix Global PR Team.

We have a great concern over your recent article about the AMD specs leaked: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...4-gb-hbme.html The picture or the screen capture that CyberPunkCat posted, on which your article is based, is fake. First of all, the actual specifications of our HBM2e are wrong in the document.

You can check our specs in our previous press release: https://news.skhynix.com/sk-hynix-de...-memory-hbm2e/ The size of the chip and the bus doesn’t add up, if you do the math. Also, the Korean text in the document says “With Local Communities… 2020 Happiness,” which has nothing to do with HBM2E development.

Moreover, this part actually appears on the main page of our Korean newsroom (https://news.skhynix.co.kr/) as a title for one of our content. And as you can see, you can copy and paste the FY2019 Earnings part from our English newsroom: https://news.skhynix.com/sk-hynix-in...arter-results/

I’d also have to say this is not a document format we use at SK hynix. So, overall, this whole document looks very fake, which certainly undermines the original Twitter user’s claim, and eventually the credibility of your article. We are greatly concerned that this fake news might have some negative influence in any form.

[pax]

We know something is coming out in March, probably some pro card, but these specs didnt make sense. ROP ratio to CUs didnt jive.

Su did say she would give out details of Navi 2 on the 5th tho.

[bill dennison]

We know something is coming out in March, probably some pro card, but these specs didnt make sense. ROP ratio to CUs didnt jive.

Su did say she would give out details of Navi 2 on the 5th tho.

if so i hope they get the virus

[NWR_Midnight]

We know something is coming out in March, probably some pro card, but these specs didnt make sense. ROP ratio to CUs didnt jive.

Su did say she would give out details of Navi 2 on the 5th tho.

Nobody should be expecting anything until the end of the year for consumer gaming card (high end). Up til the beginning of last month, until Su made a comment, nobody thought they would have anything high end until 2021. But of course, shortly after her statement in January, the rumor mill went into full production. Currently we have nothing but rumors for both AMD and Nvidia as neither has made an official announcement.

[gamefoo21]

Ok...

The 24GB HBM card isn't Big Navi...

It's Arcturus and it's basically Vega 3. It's the professional card for crunching lots of big numbers very quickly. Render beast not a beast of a gaming card.

Sorry guys.

[GTwannabe]

AMD GPU rumors are the worst...

[Gandalfthewhite]

people like adored spout pipe dreams as if they are reality and when AMD delivers a perfectly reasonable product the rumor goes nuts and claims that AMD is terrible and couldn't manage to deliver. Even though the rumors they pulled out of their butt were never really to begin with. That stuff drives me nuts.

[Kombatant]

people like adored spout pipe dreams as if they are reality and when AMD delivers a perfectly reasonable product the rumor goes nuts and claims that AMD is terrible and couldn't manage to deliver. Even though the rumors they pulled out of their butt were never really to begin with. That stuff drives me nuts.

Rumours always work like that. You're also forgetting publications publishing 10 scenarios within X amount of months, and then if one of these is close to the truth, you see the "ZOMG TOLD YOU SO SINCE LAST YEAR" headlines.

That's how it works unfortunately.

[acroig]

Rumours always work like that. You're also forgetting publications publishing 10 scenarios within X amount of months, and then if one of these is close to the truth, you see the "ZOMG TOLD YOU SO SINCE LAST YEAR" headlines.

That's how it works unfortunately.

You still post here?

[pax]

RDNA2 only end of year but seems impressive improvement in perf per watt by claiming another 50% improvement.



https://www.anandtech.com/show/15592...on-the-horizon

Gobs of info here basically the days entire presentation:

https://www.techpowerup.com/264529/a...2020-live-blog



Notable info is it supports DXR 1.1 vs Turing 1.0...

[pax]

Another tidbit of note is they are calling it RDNA 2x... as in 2x the perf. Which would mean 50% faster than a 2080ti when doubling the 5700xt perf.

[bill dennison]

Another tidbit of note is they are calling it RDNA 2x... as in 2x the perf. Which would mean 50% faster than a 2080ti when doubling the 5700xt perf.

AMD Says its Upcoming RDNA 2 and Navi 2x Will Boost Performance per Watt by 50%

What does that mean, exactly? That's where things get very murky. If AMD includes ray tracing performance in any fashion, it should be trivial to achieve a 50% improvement in performance per Watt. Assuming it's more than that, however, and either AMD is looking to provide 50% more performance than current RDNA 1 parts at the same power levels, or else cut power requirements by 33% while keeping performance the same, or most likely RDNA 2 will land somewhere in between those two.

By our own benchmarks, the RTX 2080 Ti is currently the fastest consumer graphics card, beating the RX 5700 XT by about 31% on average. That's not the whole story, however. The RTX 2080 Ti is only 15% faster than the 5700 XT at 1080p medium, 25% faster at 1080p ultra, 40% faster at 1440p ultra, and 50% faster at 4K ultra. The problem is that the RTX 2080 Ti will be two years old this fall, and Nvidia is expected to launch its next-generation Ampere GPUs this year as well.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...att-50-percent

so it needs to be 60%+ faster than a RX 5700 XT at 4k ultra to beat a 2080 ti if they are going for the 4k market like they say
16gb and much more memory bandwidth of a RX 5700 XT to do 4k 60/120 well
HBM2e would do that

it will most likely be a 300+ watt card even with a 50% improvement in performance per Watt

[Treeckcold57]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...att-50-percent

so it needs to be 60%+ faster than a RX 5700 XT at 4k ultra to beat a 2080 ti if they are going for the 4k market like they say
16gb and much more memory bandwidth of a RX 5700 XT to do 4k 60/120 well
HBM2e would do that

it will most likely be a 300+ watt card even with a 50% improvement in performance per Watt

So I probably need around 50-60% faster at 1440p Ultra. But I still need to buy both Zen 3 and big navi to see a big gain. Otherwise I won't be seeing much gain if I only upgrade from Vega 56 to big navi while I'm stuck on 1st gen Zen CPU.

[EYE4LYFE]

AMD’s Big Navi 7nm GPU Flagship Allegedly Features 505mm² Large Die And RDNA2 – Suggests 2x The Performance Of The RX 5700XT

The 7nm flagship in question, which could likely be called the AMD RX 5950 XT (or anything else really, AMD is free to shake things up you know), will feature a huge 505 mm² die that based on simple maths will offer at least 2x the performance of the 'smol Navi' RX 5700 XT GPU.

The RX 5700XT contains 40 CUs based on RDNA1 architecture and the upcoming RX 5950XT (or whatever AMD decides to call it) based on Navi 21 GPU could easily contain 80 CUs based on these numbers. This would result in a grand total of 5120 stream processors. Not counting any efficiency improvements going from RDNA1 to RDNA2 (which there certainly will be), this is a performance increase of at least 2x.

Source

[Greasy]

Nv seems to be trying to wait them out to see just what they have here. I guess they want to try and keep that ridiculous price point alive. I'm ready for a new card, so somebody needs to deliver asap.

[bill dennison]

AMD Raytracing Allegedly Exclusive To High-End RDNA 2 Navi 2X GPUs, Low-End RDNA 2 GPUs Focus on Power Efficiency And Compete Against Turing GeForce 16 Series

https://wccftech.com/amd-raytracing-...-navi-2x-gpus/

[Gandalfthewhite]

I mean I am ok with that I still say the 2060 / S should not be used for ray tracing and if you want to enable that feature you should be getting a 2070S.

as for 3 navi 2 cards this looks like a full stack lineup and id expect the new cards to be the 6xxx series starting with the highend release and slowly launching the other cards over the course of 2021.

[bill dennison]

I mean I am ok with that I still say the 2060 / S should not be used for ray tracing and if you want to enable that feature you should be getting a 2070S.

as for 3 navi 2 cards this looks like a full stack lineup and id expect the new cards to be the 6xxx series starting with the highend release and slowly launching the other cards over the course of 2021.

Radeon TX 3080

[bill dennison]

AMD Encourages Radeon RX 5600 XT Owners To Upgrade Memory To 14 Gbps

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...ory-to-14-gbps