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    #81
    Originally posted by flopper
    Nvidia cards get destroyed when using dx10.1
    25% performance increase using ati cards, 4800 and 5800 series?
    Hmm not 25% Computerbase.de did a dx10.1 review, only one game where dx10.1 helped ATi take the lead.



    And in this case they didn't even have a gtx 285 in the review.

    There was a performance improvement, but not significant enough to dethrone nV cards.


    Originally posted by silent_guy
    What exactly do you think would happen if you *did* connect a large load? The arrival of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
    Originally posted by Charlie
    Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt300-architecture

    Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
    and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.

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      #82
      Originally posted by acroig
      From the [H] review:

      "AMD informed HardOCP that they have been seeding DX11 video cards to game developers and ISVs since June of 2009. Not only have the cards been out since then to developers, but they have sampled more cards in this generation than they did last generation to developers. What that means is that there are many more DX11 cards out in the wild now than there were DX10 cards, and game developers have been coding their game engines based on AMD’s DX11 video card as it is the only one available right now. Given what we know about NVIDIA’s next-gen GPU, AMD’s ATI Radeon HD 5800 series is THE model for DX11 games coming. At least for now since you can’t buy an NVIDIA DX11 card."

      This is really great!
      ATi should really hire up those "TWIMTBP" guys from nvidia! with this they should put GameOn (anyone still remember this? i barely do ) on each game! i feel "insulted" every time i see the lame round logo everytime i shoot up a game!

      My 5870 reviews conclusion: a 3-week old 4890 Cyclone edition stable @ 950/1150 is for sale anyone!!! my got to get a 5870!! performance aside, i need to decrease the "power consumption".. BEAUTIFUL!!
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      NVIDIA's VP of Product Marketing, Ujesh Desai on late GT300:
      because designing GPUs this big is f***ing hard
      Salvation haven't been so easy.

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        #83
        Computerbase:

        1920x1200 8xAA / 16xAF:

        - 5870 %3 faster than GTX 295
        - 5870 59% faster than 4870
        - 5870 45% faster than GTX285
        - 5870 8% slower than 4870x2

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          #84
          Originally posted by razor1
          Hmm not 25% Computerbase.de did a dx10.1 review, only one game where dx10.1 helped ATi take the lead.
          Yeah there was a definate missunderstanding back when that was trown around.
          In certain cases you could save performance, as with Assassins creed where they didnt need to redraw the z buffer, for other post processes, when using MSAA.
          And that could save you some performance.
          It was never an automatic 25% more performance across the board with DX10 vs DX10.1, but in the right scenario you could prolly reach that improvement by not needing to render all those extra passes.
          you jump out of that plane and that parachute doesnt open, the helmet is now wearing YOU for protection. -JS

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            #85
            Originally posted by jam2k
            Computerbase:

            1920x1200 8xAA / 16xAF:

            - 5870 %3 faster than GTX 295
            - 5870 59% faster than 4870
            - 5870 45% faster than GTX285
            - 5870 8% slower than 4870x2

            The 5870's AA performance is what suprises me, other then that, not that impressed. Will have to wait and see what nV has this round.


            Originally posted by silent_guy
            What exactly do you think would happen if you *did* connect a large load? The arrival of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
            Originally posted by Charlie
            Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
            http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt300-architecture

            Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
            and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.

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              #86
              Originally posted by becco
              Not only the cards please, but also with software tools and human resources who could share with them about how to implement new DX11 in their existing game engine.
              Originally posted by DSV-UltraGL
              ATi should really hire up those "TWIMTBP" guys from nvidia! with this they should put GameOn (anyone still remember this? i barely do ) on each game! i feel "insulted" every time i see the lame round logo everytime i shoot up a game!
              Guys, think about it, game devs have had DX11 cards from ATI since June. Maybe, finally, ATI has a leg up on the competition.

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                #87
                Originally posted by Skynet
                Soon PhysX will be added to this list.




                What has better? The performance/power ratio is incredible actually.
                direct x is an open standard? I thought it is microsoft's.

                regardless, AMD need to keep an eye to Tim Sweeney's non direct x 3d rendering solution

                because Unreal engine is ridiculously popular and AMD get it's ass kicked there even in this very moment
                I guess it's the trend nowdays with games; either you are a hardcore PC GAME, or you live long enough to see yourself become a console port

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                  #88
                  From Guru...

                  Performance -- Well it's grand really. Some titles like Fallout 3 I expected to see a little better scaling but the generic consensus is that the Radeon HD 5870 is MUCH faster than the current leading flagship, the GeForce GTX 285. In fact on occasion it's even faster here and there than a GeForce GTX 295. See this is not a measly small upgrade, no Sir. ATI doubled up everything on the Radeon HD 5870 making sure you will get a grand gaming experience. And oh my gawd, I just realized what a beast the 5870 X2 will be.

                  Anyway, the results speak for themselves, and the good news is... we used an early beta driver for testing. Why is that good news you ask? Well, overall performance will only get better with future driver updates. If history has taught us one lesson, that is it.


                  Fact is, it's the fastest single GPU out that trades blows with the GTX295 while costing over a $100 less.

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                    #89
                    ASUS Launches EAH5800 Series with Voltage Tweak Technology
                    The ASUS EAH5870/2DIS/1GD5 and EAH5850/2DIS/1GD5 are equipped with Voltage Tweak technology, as part of the SmartDoctor application. It enables users to raise GPU voltages from 1.15V to 1.35V and from 1.088V to 1.4V respectively, boosting GPU and memory clock performance from 850 / 725 MHz to 1035 / 1050 MHz and from 4800 / 4000 MHz to 5200 / 5200 MHz respectively.
                    LC

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                      #90
                      just bought a msi 4890 oc versoin like 3weeks ago lol
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                        #91
                        boosting GPU and memory clock performance from 850 / 725 MHz to 1035 / 1050 MHz
                        an HD5870 overclock to 1035MHz

                        awesome
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                          #92
                          Originally posted by wc326
                          just bought a msi 4890 oc versoin like 3weeks ago lol
                          Welcome to the club!

                          by the way, any R3D'er ordered a 5870 yet? on other forums some already placed for TWO!!
                          am -barely- holding on a bit, waiting for a "5870OC Cyclone" Edition

                          Originally posted by becco
                          an HD5870 overclock to 1035MHz

                          awesome
                          Last edited by DSV-UltraGL; Sep 23, 2009, 07:44 AM.
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                          NVIDIA's VP of Product Marketing, Ujesh Desai on late GT300:
                          because designing GPUs this big is f***ing hard
                          Salvation haven't been so easy.

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                            #93
                            Looking really good, but I am still going to wait for Nvidia to make their move. I don't want to have to deal with ATI's drivers again unless I really have to.

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                              #94
                              Shappire has HD5870 Vapor-X


                              Win Sapphire's new ATI Radeon HD 5870 Vapor-X card, which has DX11 support and a brilliant Vapor-X cooler!
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                                #95
                                a review not too shabby even though it is Toms.

                                A little more than a year after ATI shocked us with its Radeon HD 4870, it's launching the first DirectX 11 GPU, which packs more than just the promise of next-gen compatibility. We got our hands on a pair of 5870s and spent a week benchmarking them.
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                                  #96
                                  ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series Graphics Cards - Designed by the Community

                                  Interesting read

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                                    #97
                                    Originally posted by becco
                                    When will that be avaliable? The stock cooler is too loud.

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                                      #98
                                      Originally posted by razor1
                                      The 5870's AA performance is what suprises me, other then that, not that impressed. Will have to wait and see what nV has this round.

                                      Does anyone here expect any comment other than this from him? Nv does not have anything this round. By the time they have something ATi will be busting out a refresh part. Accept it, nv screwed the pooch. The nv card will, best case, be 5% faster than the 5870, but Nv will have to charge upwards of 650 to brake even.
                                      Last edited by Corum Jhaelen Irsei; Sep 23, 2009, 09:02 AM.

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                                        #99
                                        Originally posted by RicH(SAD)
                                        Looking really good, but I am still going to wait for Nvidia to make their move. I don't want to have to deal with ATI's drivers again unless I really have to.

                                        Well expect to wait till after Christmas.

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                                          Originally posted by mabran
                                          a review not too shabby even though it is Toms.

                                          http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...5870,2422.html
                                          Don't see you around here that much Mabran...

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                                            Originally posted by demowhc
                                            Did you even read it? they were talking about Nvidia SSAA with the missing branches and that Nvidia SSAA is not fit for general use which is why they don't officialy support it..

                                            However for the time being it looks like ATi's SSAA doesnt work in DX10 or over, only DX9 and OGL. And that there is a bug in source engine games making the image blurry.

                                            They then tested SSAA on crysis warhead and found the image quality was about the same as MSAA+AAA
                                            You are right, I skimmed the article too quickly.

                                            Still ATI has blur issues..

                                            However as we’re going to lay out in this screen shot, while AMD’s SSAA mode eliminated the aliasing, it also gave the entire image a smooth makeover – too smooth. SSAA isn’t supposed to blur things, it’s only supposed to make things smoother by removing all aliasing in geometry, shaders, and textures alike.
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                                              The negative LOD thing ... will be taken care of in a future driver(TM). As they are still tweaking things.
                                              I do work for AMD
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                                                Originally posted by Ryan45
                                                When will that be avaliable? The stock cooler is too loud.
                                                What were you doing when it ramped up?

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                                                  Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
                                                  Well expect to wait till after Christmas.
                                                  Please let people know that you are speculating and not stating facts.

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                                                    Originally posted by spyre
                                                    The negative LOD thing ... will be taken care of in a future driver(TM). As they are still tweaking things.
                                                    Great news, thanks. Sad that ATI will not give us per game user profiles.

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                                                      Originally posted by acroig
                                                      Great news, thanks. Sad that ATI will not give us per game user profiles.
                                                      I'm going to personally force AMD to introduce game profiles, just so you stop posting this.

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                                                        Originally posted by acroig
                                                        Please let people know that you are speculating and not stating facts.
                                                        Why? Are you sure I am? I have my info, you can choose to believe it or not. If you are waiting for Nv, you will wish you had not.

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                                                          Originally posted by Skynet
                                                          I'm going to personally force AMD to introduce game profiles, just so you stop posting this.
                                                          I would be glad to once we get user profiles!

                                                          Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
                                                          Why? Are you sure I am? I have my info, you can choose to believe it or not. If you are waiting for Nv, you will wish you had not.
                                                          No, I'm not sure since you did not state "I have a from a good source that nV will not lauch this year", and I hope that source is not Charlie.

                                                          I would love to buy a 5870 but see above for what's stopping me.

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                                                            Originally posted by acroig
                                                            I would be glad to once we get user profiles!



                                                            No, I'm not sure since you did not state "I have a from a good source that nV will not lauch this year", and I hope that source is not Charlie.

                                                            I would love to buy a 5870 but see above for what's stopping me.
                                                            So you really think that user profiles are so important that you will not buy the fastest single gpu on the planet? You don't need CF to still have the best card. None of the reviews seemed to have issues with CF either. I really don't understand the position.

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                                                              Hardware Canucks did a nice job testing the cards @2560x1600 Extreme IQ.

                                                              It's interesting to take a look at Min FPS











                                                              This card owns NFS:Shift




                                                              King of Performance per watt:

                                                              Last edited by jam2k; Sep 23, 2009, 10:54 AM.

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                                                                Added Rage3D's HD 5870 Preview to the list.

                                                                AMD’s ATI Radeon HD 5870 marks the debut of AMD's new Radeon 5000 series. In this first part of our Radeon 5000 series investigation, we dive into the technical details of AMD's beastly new video card, taking time to toss it against a selection of games & applications to see how it performs. Is the claimed doubling of the 4xxx series performance while keeping the power envelope in check even possible? Join us as we take a first look at the AMD's new Radeon HD 5870.

                                                                ATI Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Performance Preview

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                                                                  Not that impressed to be honest... I hope Nvidia's card is faster or I wont be impressed by that either.

                                                                  It's good, but I kinda expected faster...
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                                                                    Originally posted by SirBaron
                                                                    Not that impressed to be honest... I hope Nvidia's card is faster or I wont be impressed by that either.

                                                                    It's good, but I kinda expected faster...
                                                                    Why is that? This is not their top sku part; this is the mid-range high end, the building block the true high end will be built upon.

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                                                                      There are some odd results with Crossfire (Not scaling like it should).

                                                                      Drivers need to be polished I guess ?

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                                                                        Originally posted by caveman-jim
                                                                        Why is that? This is not their top sku part; this is the mid-range high end, the building block the true high end will be built upon.
                                                                        Ah well I didn't know that, in that case that's not too bad... but that makes me wonder how much the top end is going to cost as this one is already £300.
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                                                                          Did you not buy 8800 ulta sli?

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                                                                            Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
                                                                            So you really think that user profiles are so important that you will not buy the fastest single gpu on the planet? You don't need CF to still have the best card. None of the reviews seemed to have issues with CF either. I really don't understand the position.
                                                                            For me it's not about CF, it's about AA/AF settings and not having to rename exes.

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                                                                              Originally posted by Sound_Card
                                                                              Did you not buy 8800 ulta sli?
                                                                              8800 GTX in SLI came with the system it was prebuilt and 280GTX in SLI, but what's that got to do with anything?

                                                                              I was wondering on the price of their top top end cards, just because I have bought expensive in the past doesn't mean I intend to carry on that trend.
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                                                                                Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
                                                                                Does anyone here expect any comment other than this from him? Nv does not have anything this round. By the time they have something ATi will be busting out a refresh part. Accept it, nv screwed the pooch. The nv card will, best case, be 5% faster than the 5870, but Nv will have to charge upwards of 650 to brake even.

                                                                                not even close


                                                                                Originally posted by silent_guy
                                                                                What exactly do you think would happen if you *did* connect a large load? The arrival of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
                                                                                Originally posted by Charlie
                                                                                Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
                                                                                http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137331/a-look-nvidia-gt300-architecture

                                                                                Originally posted by Corum Jhaelen Irsei
                                                                                and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.

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                                                                                  Originally posted by Lupine
                                                                                  Added Rage3D's HD 5870 Preview to the list.

                                                                                  AMD’s ATI Radeon HD 5870 marks the debut of AMD's new Radeon 5000 series. In this first part of our Radeon 5000 series investigation, we dive into the technical details of AMD's beastly new video card, taking time to toss it against a selection of games & applications to see how it performs. Is the claimed doubling of the 4xxx series performance while keeping the power envelope in check even possible? Join us as we take a first look at the AMD's new Radeon HD 5870.

                                                                                  ATI Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Performance Preview


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