Elden Ring: New Fromsoft rpg

[koralis]

Honestly the majority of people who start these games do not finish them. Looking at global achievement % on Steam most of the Souls type games on average have something like 20-30% completion rate.

My main problem with DS was the perception I had that there was literally one way to win a given fight that you needed to execute pretty much perfectly in order to succeed... that it was a puzzle, not a game. That was irritating me, along with the traversal issues in getting back to the fight, all softs of trudging, etc. I just ended up not finding it fun. The Nioh formula I enjoy more.

[Meteor_of_War]

The only thing I’m concerned about is HDR. I’m getting an “HDR not supported” message on some titles and have to dig into that. Elden Ring looks gorgeous, and I want all the graphical candy I can get.

Not sure if its related to the problem you're seeing, but I know with certain games the HDR feature only works if HDR is enabled in Windows HD Color Settings. I hate the way it makes Windows look in general though so I just leave it off.

My main problem with DS was the perception I had that there was literally one way to win a given fight that you needed to execute pretty much perfectly in order to succeed... that it was a puzzle, not a game. That was irritating me, along with the traversal issues in getting back to the fight, all softs of trudging, etc. I just ended up not finding it fun. The Nioh formula I enjoy more.

I wouldn't say there was only one way to beat bosses in Souls. You could always refine your build or change class, use different weapons and equipment, or just grind levels to get stronger. Some bosses, like Bed of Chaos though, yes were an annoying puzzle to figure out. But they were not at all the majority of bosses.

But yeah, Nioh really took the old Souls formula and improved it in almost every way. They added quality of life improvements that just makes the genre more fun and enjoyable. Its actually a concern I do have about playing Elden Ring. I'm worried it might feel like a step back after playing the Nioh games.

[Meteor_of_War]

Also, this is from last week regarding the recent security issue in Dark Souls but thought I'd share it here since it could also affect Elden Ring:

[koralis]

I wouldn't say there was only one way to beat bosses in Souls. You could always refine your build or change class, use different weapons and equipment, or just grind levels to get stronger.

Refine build/change class/use different weapons is what I mean... "Oh, you can't reasonably complete this with your current setup." I resent that sort of thing. If I built and trained on a setup that I enjoy, being told "nope.. that's not going to work" irritates me.

Needing to learn very specific sequences of attacking etc. I mean, maybe Nioh is similar, but I've never felt the level of irritation and just wanting to walk away because it seemed insurmountable with the way I play the game. I walked away from DS because I just wasn't having fun. Possible that I won't get the same feel from Elden, but I'm reserving judgement.

[Meteor_of_War]

Refine build/change class/use different weapons is what I mean... "Oh, you can't reasonably complete this with your current setup." I resent that sort of thing. If I built and trained on a setup that I enjoy, being told "nope.. that's not going to work" irritates me.

Needing to learn very specific sequences of attacking etc. I mean, maybe Nioh is similar, but I've never felt the level of irritation and just wanting to walk away because it seemed insurmountable with the way I play the game. I walked away from DS because I just wasn't having fun. Possible that I won't get the same feel from Elden, but I'm reserving judgement.

Yeah in Souls, specifically with boss fights I believe it really usually just boils down to familiarity. Once you simply learn the boss patterns down pat you can usually take them out fairly easily using any build type. But you have to learn them first. Hence, why I eventually was able to do a soul level 1 boss rush playthrough. But that take time and patience.

Nioh is definitely a lot more forgiving in that way. Especially by the time I got to Nioh 2 I could usually walk into a new boss and take it down in one or two tries just winging it, aside from a few early boss fights before I leveled up a bit and unlocked certain skills.

[Lazy8s]

Also, this is from last week regarding the recent security issue in Dark Souls but thought I'd share it here since it could also affect Elden Ring:

Good to hear they’re on it. I really don’t want to go into Elden Ring offline

I’ll post up what I find on the HDR settings later. thanks for that

[Lazy8s]

Yeah in Souls, specifically with boss fights I believe it really usually just boils down to familiarity. Once you simply learn the boss patterns down pat you can usually take them out fairly easily using any build type. But you have to learn them first. Hence, why I eventually was able to do a soul level 1 boss rush playthrough. But that take time and patience.

Nioh is definitely a lot more forgiving in that way. Especially by the time I got to Nioh 2 I could usually walk into a new boss and take it down in one or two tries just winging it, aside from a few early boss fights before I leveled up a bit and unlocked certain skills.

Oh yes, Nioh is much more forgiving, but Nioh is more of a powertrip imo. The goal is to level and build and be able to crush your enemies by the end where Souls games generally seem designed to make you fight for your life every step of the way. That’s how it feels to me anyway..

To koralis ‘ point, if it isn’t fun, then it just isn’t fun. I don’t let it bother me any more, but I spend money to have fun and if the itch isn’t’ being scratched, then it’s time to move on.

I still remember how much fun O&S, and the Storm King were the first time

[Meteor_of_War]

Big offender for me with this was of course Manus. I banged my head against the wall for multiple hours first time I faced him. Turned out I was just being stubborn not wanting to use a shield to block certain attacks. Once I gave in and starting using the shield instead of trying to roll he went down right away.

Sometimes its just required to alter your approach. I don't really see a big deal with that. But also, just because I couldn't beat him that way doesn't mean its the same for everyone - so I wouldn't fault the game there.

[Lazy8s]

Big offender for me with this was of course Manus. I banged my head against the wall for multiple hours first time I faced him. Turned out I was just being stubborn not wanting to use a shield to block certain attacks. Once I gave in and starting using the shield he went down right away.

Sometimes its just required to alter your approach. I don't really see a big deal with that. But also, just because I couldn't beat him that way doesn't mean its the same for everyone - so I wouldn't fault the game there.

Truth. My favorite (O&S again) was when I realized how badly pyromancies wrecked them. Now that was fun lol, didn’t have to swing a weapon even once.

Edit: I’m sure Elden Ring will be similar in that regard. Different players, different approaches, some will struggle and others won’t. All part of the game.

[Mangler]

windows key+alt+b=hdr on in windows.

Be aware that some games needs to have HDR enabled in windows in order to work, and other games requires it to be disabled.

MS did a great job with HDR on windows.

[Lazy8s]

windows key+alt+b=hdr on in windows.

Be aware that some games needs to have HDR enabled in windows in order to work, and other games requires it to be disabled.

MS did a great job with HDR on windows.

Yeah sounds like they nailed it Thanks Mangler

[xCLAVEx]

So is this something different or just another dime-a-dozen Souls clone?

[Mangler]

It's an open world title with souls combat.

[xCLAVEx]

It's an open world title with souls combat.

Ah ok, hard pass then. Thanks.

[Drexion]

dime-a-dozen Souls clone?

This is made by FROM themselves. "clone" is generally used for describing the Soulslike titles from other developers, who were influenced or inspired by the FROM titles. (Demons' Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne primarily)

[theshadowcult]

This is made by FROM themselves. "clone" is generally used for describing the Soulslike titles from other developers, who were influenced or inspired by the FROM titles. (Demons' Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne primarily)

That would make it a from-clone. Souls like is because its souls like, regardless of developer. Soulsbourne, is probably more what you are after, and the term i'd rather push. Where it invokes the ideas of multiple systems/influences. Like metroidvania.

[Mangler]

**** soulsborne.

[Lazy8s]

**** soulsborne.

6 more days and I will be

[Lazy8s]

I haven’t gone through the thread to see if it’s been posted, but several sites are saying it’s a 30 hour campaign if the player sticks to the main mission, but “dozens of hours” of additional gameplay is there for the completionists.

[Meteor_of_War]

I haven’t gone through the thread to see if it’s been posted, but several sites are saying it’s a 30 hour campaign if the player sticks to the main mission, but “dozens of hours” of additional gameplay is there for the completionists.

That's fine by me.

[Lazy8s]

That's fine by me.

Same here. My only ask is that they keep the ability to stay in NG after the final boss, then choose when you’re ready to go to NG+. I bet they do. Players are going to want to explore every last inch of the game.

[Mangler]

It would be neat if they brought back DS2-style ng+ where you actually have new stuff to encounter.

[Meteor_of_War]

Same here. My only ask is that they keep the ability to stay in NG after the final boss, then choose when you’re ready to go to NG+. I bet they do. Players are going to want to explore every last inch of the game.

Won't know for sure until I'm actually playing it but right now yeah, I am likely going to want to focus on the main story quests and beat it then go back and do side quests and exploring.

I would imagine they will allow for that. After beating the final boss or whatever, dump you back into the world to keep exploring. Then you can rest somewhere and have the option to move into NG+.

But yet to be seen. Because of the open world nature of it there might need to be some alterations to that. We'll see.

[Lazy8s]

Won't know for sure until I'm actually playing it but right now yeah, I am likely going to want to focus on the main story quests and beat it then go back and do side quests and exploring.

I would imagine they will allow for that. After beating the final boss or whatever, dump you back into the world to keep exploring. Then you can rest somewhere and have the option to move into NG+.

But yet to be seen. Because of the open world nature of it there might need to be some alterations to that. We'll see.

I don’t know how I’ll approach it yet. Depends on how tough the bosses are for me I guess. If they’re beatable without leveling I’ll go straight through, but if they go all Manus on me…I’ll have to grind a bit

[Lazy8s]

It would be neat if they brought back DS2-style ng+ where you actually have new stuff to encounter.

That would be a great way to keep it interesting.

[Meteor_of_War]

I don’t know how I’ll approach it yet. Depends on how tough the bosses are for me I guess. If they’re beatable without leveling I’ll go straight through, but if they go all Manus on me…I’ll have to grind a bit

Same here. I am just comparing it to how I like to approach other open world type games.

Usually I try to stick to the main quest, because its easy to get distracted with side stuff then it really disrupts the feeling of continuity of the story while role playing a character.

For example,

"Please hurry! You need to head right to this location and do this thing or the world will end!"

"OK, no problem. Right after I go and do these 10 side quests and aimlessly explore around for 5 hours."

Kind of kills the immediacy of the story.

[Lazy8s]

Same here. I am just comparing it to how I like to approach other open world type games.

Usually I try to stick to the main quest, because its easy to get distracted with side stuff then it really disrupts the feeling of continuity of the story while role playing a character.

For example,

"Please hurry! You need to head right to this location and do this thing or the world will end!"

"OK, no problem. Right after I go and do these 10 side quests and aimlessly explore around for 5 hours."

Kind of kills the immediacy of the story.

Yep - makes me think of Skyrim. I know they’re 2 completely different games, but iirc you could practically do “everything else” before even advancing the story that far.

Well, 6 more days and we’ll know for sure. Setting my alarm for 3am Thursday

[Cyko]

6 more days and I will be

I’m going to be in it for months. Looks soooooo good.

[Lazy8s]

I’m going to be in it for months. Looks soooooo good.

I usually sink hundreds of hours into Souls and Nioh games. I really hope this one works out the same way.

[xCLAVEx]

I'm actually a bit envious of you guys. I wish I had the patience for Dark Souls type games. I did have a good time with the first Dark Souls many years ago, but was never able to get into any of the others. I just don't feel like dedicating 10+ minutes (or more for bosses) to figuring out how to kill every different enemy I encounter.

[Lazy8s]

I'm actually a bit envious of you guys. I wish I had the patience for Dark Souls type games. I did have a good time with the first Dark Souls many years ago, but was never able to get into any of the others. I just don't feel like dedicating 10+ minutes (or more for bosses) to figuring out how to kill every different enemy I encounter.

It comes at a cost. My wife never said “Computer widow” until I started playing Dark Souls

[Meteor_of_War]

I'm actually a bit envious of you guys. I wish I had the patience for Dark Souls type games. I did have a good time with the first Dark Souls many years ago, but was never able to get into any of the others. I just don't feel like dedicating 10+ minutes (or more for bosses) to figuring out how to kill every different enemy I encounter.

I'm not going to bother trying to convince anyone to play a game anymore. What's the point?

But I will say FWIW, From Software has claimed Elden Ring is supposedly more accessible a game due to it being open world. Makes sense too. Not that any of their other games were absolutely like this, but you are likely not going to be pigeon holed into one direction from the start even more now. You will be able to head off in virtually every direction on the map, so the "path of least resistance" has been widened which in theory should make for an easier time.

This will allow players much more freedom of direction should they hit a wall with a tough area or boss. Also, many of the normal enemy encounters can be ran past even easier now.

I usually say this with all Souls-likes because I'm just a fan of the genre. But more so with this game, if it looks even remotely interesting to give it a shot. I don't think I'd call Elden Ring another "Souls clone." They have done a lot of different things with the formula this time.

[Cyko]

I usually sink hundreds of hours into Souls and Nioh games. I really hope this one works out the same way.

Yuuuup! I took next Thursday and Friday off and half the following week as well. Got a random 5k bonus from work and am seriously mulling buying the 83” C1 OLED. Wife said save it until I said “I get the tv, you get that purse you’ve been wanting” at which point she said “so when are you picking it up?”

[Lazy8s]

Yuuuup! I took next Thursday and Friday off and half the following week as well. Got a random 5k bonus from work and am seriously mulling buying the 83” C1 OLED. Wife said save it until I said “I get the tv, you get that purse you’ve been wanting” at which point she said “so when are you picking it up?”

Sounds like a bargain lol.

[Lazy8s]

I hope they add provisions for a respec or 2. It’s a Souls game, so I already know I’ll want to move some points around….

[Mangler]

I realize that a c1 will be cheaper, but it might be worth waiting for the c2 or those fancy samsung qd-oleds, they're both brighter than the old stuff and LG and Samsung both keep acting like burn in is a thing of the past with the new tech.

[Cyko]

I realize that a c1 will be cheaper, but it might be worth waiting for the c2 or those fancy samsung qd-oleds, they're both brighter than the old stuff and LG and Samsung both keep acting like burn in is a thing of the past with the new tech.

Any idea on release date for those?

[Mangler]

No official date for the c2, but some stores accidentally put out their pages for it which seemed to suggest late march/mid april.

I don't think there is a date for the qd-oled screens yet, but since the first qd-oled monitor is coming out in late march/early april, I suspect the big screen have a similar release date.

[Mangler]

Looks like the pc version hitches whenever it loads a new area.

I'm just going to pick up the ps5 version if it ends up being superior, it really doesn't matter to me since my ps5 is hooked up to the same monitor as my pc.

[Lazy8s]

The day 1 patch might address hitching. Notes say “Improved performance and usability”

https://twistedvoxel.com/elden-ring-update-1-01-patch-notes-file-size/