Elden Ring: New Fromsoft rpg

[Mangler]

I’ll try it when I get back there. Can’t open the door or can’t get it to go down?


Me….just got humbled again. I thought I was ready for the Full Grown Falling Star Beast

Man, that thing hits like a truck lol. Another ‘go back later’….

You can't interact with the altar.

[Lazy8s]

You can't interact with the altar.

Ah, I did run into that with another one, and there are threads about it elsewhere. The workaround (not 100% success) is to hit a nearby grace and advance time, then try again.

[YellowBeard]

Plugging away. Got to the base of the Haligtree where a nice lady was waiting for me. She doesn't seem too bad, yet. I mean aside from the 100 hit combo attack. I'm sure there's got to be another phase in there somewhere.

Not sure if I should putz elsewhere or just throw myself at this one for a while. Might check out Khorne's Palace then come back to this one.

[koralis]

Starting to get unfun. No grace in the shaded castle is ridiculous. I just left my runes there. **** it. Divine Tower of callid... tons of climbing, jumping, fighting on narrow ledges. Grace... ok then... oh, more falling, fighting on narrow ledges, and then a miniboss that makes you do all of it again.

*grumble*

[Mangler]

There is three of them in the shaded castle.

[shrike126]

Just met the Fire Giant. He's fun. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong but everything feels like it's a lot of work for zero damage.

[koralis]

There is three of them in the shaded castle.

Not in the first 10 minutes (at least the entrance I went in?). Not putting that much time back into retracing my steps to maybe possibly get my runes back and just as likely to die at that point.

[Mangler]

Not in the first 10 minutes.

That depends, if you use the horsie and enter through one of the cracks/damaged sections in the outer castle walls, you run into one almost right away.

[Lazy8s]

Just met the Fire Giant. He's fun. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong but everything feels like it's a lot of work for zero damage.

I doubt you’re doing anything wrong. He’s got a health pool the size of the lower 48. I think I hit him with rot and kept chipping at his ankles.

That started on a Sunday - I think he finally hit the ground Wednesday, just before dinner.

[Lazy8s]

I’ve decided I’m respeccing my new build. It’s mainly dex and arcane/faith now, but I decided to grab Morgott’s cursed sword which scales with dex and arc.

I need about 8 more in Dex to use it and don’t want to wait to level that long. It looks badass.

Anyone here tried it yet?

[shrike126]

I doubt you’re doing anything wrong. He’s got a health pool the size of the lower 48. I think I hit him with rot and kept chipping at his ankles.

That started on a Sunday - I think he finally hit the ground Wednesday, just before dinner.

I tried Rot but he seemed to ignore it. Looked it up and apparently he's resistant to rot. Which is my go to giant boss strategy. I'm gonna have to figure out a bleed solution I think. Nothing comes to mind. Did pick up Rivers of Blood recently though and trying to decide if I want to put some upgrade stones into that thing.

[Lazy8s]

I tried Rot but he seemed to ignore it. Looked it up and apparently he's resistant to rot. Which is my go to giant boss strategy. I'm gonna have to figure out a bleed solution I think. Nothing comes to mind. Did pick up Rivers of Blood recently though and trying to decide if I want to put some upgrade stones into that thing.

Weird I could have swore I used rot. I must be getting it confused with another fight. I do know I beat him using the sword of night and flame, but that was before they nerfed it.

If you’re going for bleed though, did you ever pick up Reduvia? I hear it’s pretty OP, as is Rivers of Blood.

Edit: I have both Rivers of blood and Reduvia. I’m going to try those out dual wielding and respec for arcane instead of using Margot’s cursed sword. My lack of power stance skills will probably send me back to using a shield, but I’ll post impressions later today.

[koralis]

That depends, if you use the horsie and enter through one of the cracks/damaged sections in the outer castle walls, you run into one almost right away.

I entered from some rocks onto the ramparts from the back. Tons of zombies, took down a miniboss to win a chest and an arm prosthetic , over the rooftops, through a bunch of poison and curing/healing it, snuck past a horseman, and died to a pairing of horseman and grafted monstrosity. During the whole time couldn't so much as see a glimmer of a grace in the courtyards, on the ramparts, etc.

The game REALLY needs some sort of detector for this sort of thing. I end up floundering around desperately trying to figure out where they are a lot, and some stretches are a long go between graces. Something like an unlimited use item that glows the right or left edge of your screen in different intensities to help you find the nearest grace. can use it once every 30 seconds or something. A hot/cold minigame.

Anyway, thanks for the info. If I go back I guess I'll do a frontal assault.

[Lazy8s]

I’ve been doing some play testing with Rivers of Blood and quite frankly it’s a beast. I’m going to roll with it for a while.

I’m having a completely different play experience this time around. That sword of night and flame pre-patch made areas easy that I’m seeing some difficulty with now, but I’ve also pushed into areas and am attempting bosses I’m really not leveled for yet, so time to level a bit more and press on.

[YellowBeard]

Oh boy, I've just been getting my butt stomped by Malenia. Fight is kind of ridiculous as it's a crap shoot when I get her to her second phase. Never know how fast or if cause of her crazy heals.

I'll probably shelve her for a bit while I finish up the rest of the game.

Starting to get tired and wanting to play something else, but close to finish I think so I want to see this one through beforehand.


Or I'll just start up Horizon Zero Dawn anyways, cause I need some variety.

[Lazy8s]

Oh boy, I've just been getting my butt stomped by Malenia. Fight is kind of ridiculous as it's a crap shoot when I get her to her second phase. Never know how fast or if cause of her crazy heals.

I'll probably shelve her for a bit while I finish up the rest of the game.

Starting to get tired and wanting to play something else, but close to finish I think so I want to see this one through beforehand.


Or I'll just start up Horizon Zero Dawn anyways, cause I need some variety.

Gotta be honest. I don’t think a boss with that difficulty level ought to be healing. Just my opinion though.

I had a nice surprise trough. Fighting you know who for the last half of the secret medallion, almost dead, no heals left and 2 messages got appraised Full health bar and I got the medallion. I want to find those players and tank them

[YellowBeard]

Gotta be honest. I don’t think a boss with that difficulty level ought to be healing. Just my opinion though.

I had a nice surprise trough. Fighting you know who for the last half of the secret medallion, almost dead, no heals left and 2 messages got appraised Full health bar and I got the medallion. I want to find those players and tank them

It really kinda is a bit much. I think what gets me is just the amount that she heals for. For a few tries, I had a greatshield in one hand and incantations in my other, she'd do no damage, but she heals anyways. What is she healing with?!


I might do something really dumb for an attempt and go dual whip with the mimic tear. I put cold on a Thorn Whip with Petal Whip mainhand without an enchant so I could Blood Flame Blade the sucker. The amount of procs might just overwhelm her. I just have to not get hit. Like ever. Not once.

Just makes me sad that cold scales with Int and I'm a big dumb dumb head with only like 20 Int.

Dual whips are fun to putz around with though.


Do your msgs mostly get appraised right at the start of a session? Seems like there'll be a flurry of activity for a bit after I log on and then that's it for a long while.

So... I managed to "solve" the Redmane Painting. DO NOT FIGHT THE GOLEM, HE DOESN'T DROP **** APPARENTLY. *ahem* I had some choice words after I finally managed to "fall" my way down there. This is not a platforming game, **** off with this Fromsoft. Dude is literally super high level. You don't need to fight him. Walk towards the edge by the branch you fall down on and the "painter's" spirit shows up. Golem is a troll. I repeat. Golem is a troll.

I'm gonna try to get these other ones, but ****. Fromsoft was super trolly with the one I have gotten so far. Not looking forward to the others.

[Lazy8s]

YellowBeard- FromSoft got super Trolly with 60% of the game lol. Thanks for the reminder on the paintings….

I’m just busy farming and leveling right now because screw these guys. I have a mini-boss at Mohgwyns that is just griefing the heck out of me. Talk about OP. Having a hard time getting it’s timing down.

Meh, I already beat the game, now it’s time to just play, over level and have fun lol.

[koralis]

Gaol Cave was fun. I really enjoyed the lever releasing the burning corpses from the cages to progress. Clever mechanic.

Did some levelling and got my Faith high enough that I can cast Golden Vow without a Rune Arc or Faith medallion. Long enough that it seems worthwhile. I don't have enough FP though to cast it AND use a spirit ash in the same step though... next step. Then health... still feel too squishy, heavy armor and buffed.


Speaking of spirit ashes... so, with the downgrade of Mimic, you guys find it's still worth using? (I haven't even found it, but curious)

[Meteor_of_War]

Ughh, I need more time to play. Was too busy this weekend and didn't get to accomplish as much as I wanted to. I am finding when I know I'm not going to have at least an hour to play, I'll just continue exploring previous areas to make sure I got everything, rather than starting on a new unknown area.

However, I did make it to Mountaintops of the Giants and finally found a Somber Smithing Stone [7]. I guess I'm just sticking with this meteoric ore blade for this playthrough as my main melee weapon. Its been a real workhorse for my build, especially since scales with INT. The split damage of physical and magic hasn't been an issue. Just wish I could use ashes with it. But that's what I keep my greatsword for.

I'm still digging this game, and do continue to look forward to playing more. But I think my overall impressions are starting to form. Just hit 60 hours logged so I feel like I must be getting to the mid point and seen enough to get the idea of what this game is all about compared to past Souls games. I really like the change to open world exploration for this genre. It just makes for a more laid back experience, in improving how you don't feel locked into any tough path or situation - better than any other of their games in that way. Best part, I have never felt the need to level grind. Because there's so many places to go, I naturally gain tons of runes just from exploring. I have been taking things slow, exploring as much as possible before moving to new areas and leveling a lot and I have really not run into anything yet where I hit a wall of insurmountable difficulty. Of course I'm sure you can, if you go to tough areas too early. But I have been enjoying the more laid back gameplay flow of Elden Ring in that regard. On the flipside though, I feel the quantity outweighs the quality in this game, at least from what I've seen to this point. Lots of fun still, but at times the game has started to feel a bit dull. Could be on me somewhat though, since I've been progressing things more on the slow side.

I think for a first game of this style from them though, its a really really solid effort. But a prototype of sorts. I can imagine this as a launchpad and new standard for future Souls games and will only get better and better.

[Lazy8s]

I think for a first game of this style from them though, its a really really solid effort. But a prototype of sorts. I can imagine this as a launchpad and new standard for future Souls games and will only get better and better.

Absolutely. Their DLC is always better than the vanilla game, so we may see more QoL improvements when that releases, assuming they will follow that standard format they use for DLCs.

That little bit of dull you’re feeling is exactly what drove me to explore past map boundaries and find new, higher level gear etc. The payoff has been good so far, and that’s basically what my second build is centered around. Just experimenting with new weapons, seeing how far I can push into really difficult territory. Mixed success on that one lol. I’m not THAT good

I still have my beefs with some of the design, but nothing too major. Still having quite a good time with it

[Lazy8s]

I tried Rot but he seemed to ignore it. Looked it up and apparently he's resistant to rot. Which is my go to giant boss strategy. I'm gonna have to figure out a bleed solution I think. Nothing comes to mind. Did pick up Rivers of Blood recently though and trying to decide if I want to put some upgrade stones into that thing.

Did you get this guy yet? I’m going to give it a shot tonight with Rivers of Blood +9 just for the heck of it. I’m not expecting much at level 110, but I want to see how it goes without an OP night and flame to carry me through.

[Meteor_of_War]

Absolutely. Their DLC is always better than the vanilla game, so we may see more QoL improvements when that releases, assuming they will follow that standard format they use for DLCs.

That little bit of dull you’re feeling is exactly what drove me to explore past map boundaries and find new, higher level gear etc. The payoff has been good so far, and that’s basically what my second build is centered around. Just experimenting with new weapons, seeing how far I can push into really difficult territory. Mixed success on that one lol. I’m not THAT good

I still have my beefs with some of the design, but nothing too major. Still having quite a good time with it

Yeah honestly I can't even really think of too many actual criticisms of the game. Nothing really worth pointing out or complaining about. It definitely seems like they simply took some of the best gameplay systems from all their previous games and put them together in a bigger world.

Thinking more about it though, I think the dullness has a lot to do with the open world of it. Honestly I feel the same way about most non-linear open world type games. Its awesome how they can create these huge worlds to roam in, but the drawback of it is there's going to be a lot of open space and you're at times going to have no direction which leads to lulls in the action and pacing issues. I kind of hate those gaming sessions when I end up roaming around for an hour and really not accomplishing all that much. Especially hurts when you're in my situation of not having enough gaming time as is.

Another big thing I am continuing to be reminded of is I keep thinking back to Nioh combat and how much more fun it is than Souls. Sometimes I kind of wish I was William in this game, and just absolute shred everything with my tonfa skills. As much as they add lots of ashes and spells, and new guard counters its still Souls combat at the end of the day and it feels very much like it has for the past decade.

[Mangler]

Did you get this guy yet? I’m going to give it a shot tonight with Rivers of Blood +9 just for the heck of it. I’m not expecting much at level 110, but I want to see how it goes without an OP night and flame to carry me through.

Isn't the rivers of blood more op than the night and flame ever was?


Going by what people are posting online, dual wielding arcane katanas destroys bosses.

[shrike126]

Did you get this guy yet? I’m going to give it a shot tonight with Rivers of Blood +9 just for the heck of it. I’m not expecting much at level 110, but I want to see how it goes without an OP night and flame to carry me through.

I didn't get a chance to play much yesterday but will probably give it a shot sometime today in between conference calls.

I did get a little farming in, enough points in Arcane to use Rivers. So I might toss some stones its way and level it up to give it a run. I will say that I love the Katana move sets just generally. Between Sword of Night and Flame, Rivers of Blood, and Blasphemous Blade, I'm having a hard time figuring out what I want to build around and use.

I was thinking for my next go around with the Fire Giant that I might give rot another try by making it the only spell my Mimic has, and go after his ankles with bleed using Rivers while we see if we can stack up some rot on him even if he's resistant to it.

[Lazy8s]

Isn't the rivers of blood more op than the night and flame ever was?

Up closer yes. N&F let you keep your safer distance though. I haven’t tried it at all this play through though and need to level it up to make a direct comparison.

I didn't get a chance to play much yesterday but will probably give it a shot sometime today in between conference calls.

I did get a little farming in, enough points in Arcane to use Rivers. So I might toss some stones its way and level it up to give it a run. I will say that I love the Katana move sets just generally. Between Sword of Night and Flame, Rivers of Blood, and Blasphemous Blade, I'm having a hard time figuring out what I want to build around and use.

I was thinking for my next go around with the Fire Giant that I might give rot another try by making it the only spell my Mimic has, and go after his ankles with bleed using Rivers while we see if we can stack up some rot on him even if he's resistant to it.

I really like rivers of blood. It’s part fire damage though, so that’s why I wonder how effective it will be against him.

I still want to respec around Morgott’s Cursed blade and test that out too.

There are so many weapons choices….1st play through night and flame was the clear choice, but I want to try others, and there’s not enough stones in all the world to upgrade every one of them lol.

But I did get Radahn’s armor, so hopefully that will help keep me alive longer.

Edit: I’m spawning mimic with the rivers of blood. I’m curious if two “players” hitting him with bleed will proc him faster. I doubt it, but the more damage against his over sized health pool the better.

[YellowBeard]

YellowBeard- FromSoft got super Trolly with 60% of the game lol. Thanks for the reminder on the paintings….

I’m just busy farming and leveling right now because screw these guys. I have a mini-boss at Mohgwyns that is just griefing the heck out of me. Talk about OP. Having a hard time getting it’s timing down.

Meh, I already beat the game, now it’s time to just play, over level and have fun lol.

Oh it's super trolly all right. Not only are the drops real touchy and I think you take fall damage on most of them, the very last one you drop on you NEED to follow the branch down a little bit before dropping as where it is near the cliff is lethal fall damage. THEN, there's a golem you can wake up down there that I think is on par or higher level than the ones in Mountaintops. He also has a magic halberd that I don't think I've seen other golems use. It's insane. Bow weapon art is down there if you have the painting for that spot. So, if you need a bow weapon art you're good to go. If not, could probably just skip that one.

Another big thing I am continuing to be reminded of is I keep thinking back to Nioh combat and how much more fun it is than Souls. Sometimes I kind of wish I was William in this game, and just absolute shred everything with my tonfa skills. As much as they add lots of ashes and spells, and new guard counters its still Souls combat at the end of the day and it feels very much like it has for the past decade.

I need more Nioh in my life. Combat just feels so much more satisfying cause it gives you a ton more tricks at your disposal.

I didn't get a chance to play much yesterday but will probably give it a shot sometime today in between conference calls.

I did get a little farming in, enough points in Arcane to use Rivers. So I might toss some stones its way and level it up to give it a run. I will say that I love the Katana move sets just generally. Between Sword of Night and Flame, Rivers of Blood, and Blasphemous Blade, I'm having a hard time figuring out what I want to build around and use.

I was thinking for my next go around with the Fire Giant that I might give rot another try by making it the only spell my Mimic has, and go after his ankles with bleed using Rivers while we see if we can stack up some rot on him even if he's resistant to it.

Well, what helped me was Ankle for sure. One has a breakable bandage or something on it. Once you break that, keep at that ankle. The other doesn't do anything special. Was trying to break the other side like in typical souls fashion and it hardly did any damage. Also, I used freezing mist weapon art on a bleed weapon. He might be weak to frost. Seemed to help.

[Lazy8s]

Oh it's super trolly all right. Not only are the drops real touchy and I think you take fall damage on most of them, the very last one you drop on you NEED to follow the branch down a little bit before dropping as where it is near the cliff is lethal fall damage. THEN, there's a golem you can wake up down there that I think is on par or higher level than the ones in Mountaintops. He also has a magic halberd that I don't think I've seen other golems use. It's insane. Bow weapon art is down there if you have the painting for that spot. So, if you need a bow weapon art you're good to go. If not, could probably just skip that one.

Thanks for the heads up I think I’ll skip that because why just frustrate myself?

[Lazy8s]

Ok so proof positive here that Fromsoft has made some really ….poor…design choices in some areas of the game. By “poor” I mean childish, stupid, trolling, and quite frankly annoying and idiotic. That should make my feelings clear enough

I’m not even upset, just disappointed. I’ve already cleared this area from an alternate path in my first play through and just wanted to confirm I wasn’t missing anything during this one.

In Mohgwyns Palace at the very first grace you get to when entering the area. I’m leaving this without spoiler tags on purpose.

Look to the left to the large lake of blood. Clearing that, I knew about the NPC invader. No big deal. but coming from this direction, about 300’ from where the invader spawned, it spawned again. killed it again. A very short way in, it spawned yet again, and then AGAIN.

Due to the very dangerous packs of enemies in there I died on the 4th invasion.

but really Fromsoft? For all the praise for other areas and enemies I can offer, this is 180 degrees in the extreme other direction. If anyone from Fromsoft ever sees this - Your decision to add that layer of difficulty and frustration was just Stupid. Completely at odds with the rest of this amazing game.

Stupid.

Edit: I just read up on it and they’re supposed to spawn 3 times. Nope, not this time. I still think it could have been done much better.

[YellowBeard]

^^^

A hahaha, I was so angry the first time that happened cause you aggro one of those stupid crows at the same time so you have to fight both at once. After that it went a little better, cause each time I was "knocked" off my horse I was in a better spot where it was just the two of us. I'm using the helm you get from them as we speak though. :3


Also, power stancing whips in kinda funny. That first dragon in Crumbling Whatchamacalit I'm pretty sure you were supposed to just run past it since there is a grace just on the other side. He pissed me off and I ended up putting cold on both whips and summoning my mimic. So many frostbite procs. **** you dragon. Still need more stones so I can buff up my offhand whip some more. The bearing has to be in here somewhere as I just picked up a somber bell. I have like 4 or 5 ancient stones ready to go. Just need the 8s or whatever that's before them.


Edit: So yeah. I've heard quite a bit about the Godskin Duo fight. Not where it was, but that you had to fight the two guys at once and it was rough. SO, it looks like I ended up taking a weird way around that let me summon a recusant. So, him, me with my two bleed/cold whips, and my mimic tear, just absolutely put them through the shredder. Bleeds and frostbites were proccing all over the place. Combined with the fact I'm wearing a White Mask that ups my damage if there is a bleed in the area, along with Lord of Blood's talisman which does the same and I think stacks with that, and rotten winged sword insignia that ups my damage with consecutive attacks. It was just whips flying all over the place. I don't think I'm gonna shred a boss like that again in a while, but I'll take this one.

[Lazy8s]

I’m getting bored with arcane/faith.

[Meteor_of_War]

I’m getting bored with arcane/faith.

Be a filthy infidel like me and do sorcery.

[Lazy8s]

Be a filthy infidel like me and do sorcery.

Did that my first play through and it was good. Sorcery is pretty OP played right. I’m wondering if I can melee my way through Havel style lol.

[YellowBeard]

Did that my first play through and it was good. Sorcery is pretty OP played right. I’m wondering if I can melee my way through Havel style lol.

Join us! It rough though and sad watching so many Int mixed weapons you can't use.

I'm primarily melee, for better or worse. Probably could ditch some of my faith as I'm not even having my weapons scale with faith right now, but it is nice for some situations. Like hiding behind a shield and using Blood Flies and running away to kill that stupid Draconic Knight in Farum

Haven't used a larval tear yet, why start now?

Also didn't expect my boy to be Maliketh... that was a surprising turn of events. But shouldn't be surprised when I think about it. FromSoft loves to either have you kill the people you help or have them die anyways. CURSE YOU ALEXANDER! *sheds a tear* You were my boy. Though I think I have a really good idea what I'm supposed to do with the key item he dropped. Think I'm gonna make a certain little someone in Jarburg a real champion. :3

Got him to about 30% or so my second attempt. First attempt I didn't even get a summon out I was too busy listening to him talk. Also got my booster today and that's starting to kick in. Damn you muscle pain.

[Meteor_of_War]

I am having my first real issue with the game after 50 something hours. All of a sudden game won't launch. I just get a white screen then back to the desktop.

Just tried restarting, verifying game files, and also updated to latest GeForce driver. Trying another restart now. What the hell it was just working fine this morning.

[EDIT] Tried disabling MSI Afterburner / Rivatuner and that fixed it. WTF? I have been playing the game with those the whole time with no problem. They do not auto-update or anything either. Weird.

[Lazy8s]

I am having my first real issue with the game after 50 something hours. All of a sudden game won't launch. I just get a white screen then back to the desktop.

Just tried restarting, verifying game files, and also updated to latest GeForce driver. Trying another restart now. What the hell it was just working fine this morning.

It's a known issue. The game can hang on closing for quite a while, but it doesn't show up as a running app. Waiting or restarting steam always works for me.

[Lazy8s]

Join us! It rough though and sad watching so many Int mixed weapons you can't use.

I'm primarily melee, for better or worse. Probably could ditch some of my faith as I'm not even having my weapons scale with faith right now, but it is nice for some situations. Like hiding behind a shield and using Blood Flies and running away to kill that stupid Draconic Knight in Farum

Haven't used a larval tear yet, why start now?

Also didn't expect my boy to be Maliketh... that was a surprising turn of events. But shouldn't be surprised when I think about it. FromSoft loves to either have you kill the people you help or have them die anyways. CURSE YOU ALEXANDER! *sheds a tear* You were my boy. Though I think I have a really good idea what I'm supposed to do with the key item he dropped. Think I'm gonna make a certain little someone in Jarburg a real champion. :3

Got him to about 30% or so my second attempt. First attempt I didn't even get a summon out I was too busy listening to him talk. Also got my booster today and that's starting to kick in. Damn you muscle pain.

That Malekith is the coolest boss in the game. made me jump and smile all at once lol.

[Meteor_of_War]

It's a known issue. The game can hang on closing for quite a while, but it doesn't show up as a running app. Waiting or restarting steam always works for me.

Yeah i am reading about it now. At least good to know its not just me.

It is strange though that it started happening all of a sudden after all these hours played. Now it won't launch unless i shut down Afterburner. It does at least allow me to ALT-TAB out and enable it after i launch the game, which is good because i use it for my GPU's fan curve.

But yeah this game always acts weird when exiting. Takes an unusually long time, and sometimes my screen goes black for like 20 seconds.

[Lazy8s]

Yeah i am reading about it now. At least good to know its not just me.

It is strange though that it started happening all of a sudden after all these hours played. Now it won't launch unless i shut down Afterburner. It does at least allow me to ALT-TAB out and enable it after i launch the game, which is good because i use it for my GPU's fan curve.

But yeah this game always acts weird when exiting. Takes an unusually long time, and sometimes my screen goes black for like 20 seconds.

I hope they fix it soon, along with the occasional lock up

[Lazy8s]

So I’ve been playing around with some weapons.

Rivers of Blood +9 - hands down the best katana I’ve used yet. Fast and high damage, and the skill brings on the bleed proc fast.

Morgott’s cursed sword +7- classed as a great sword, but a bit faster with a cool, time delayed fire trail and explosion for it’s skill. Probably great for crowd control.

Blasphemous Blade +7 > Holy Hell Solid, but not crazy dps, but that skill. That skill is a ranged, powerful fire shot along the ground that just smokes anything it hits. The best part, it seems damaging an enemy heals you the player, by large chunks sometimes. Love it. This is my go to great sword now.

I’m not posting numbers because I had to use a combination of great rune and talismans to meet the specs for the weapons so I could test the skills.

They also are not upgraded equally just because I have to farm or buy more stones.

fwiw.