Diablo 4 - We all have PCs

[saumilsingh]

Nothing you said is factually incorrect. But neither is it the truth.
Sounds like you want the game to be something it isn't and/or are trying to play it the way it isn't meant to be.

When I say the combat is perfect, I mean within the constraints of an arpg. Don't expect Souls-like or 3rd person combat.
It feels great to smush demons when played at gear-appropriate difficulty.


Just think of it as a really well put together fidget spinner.
There's not much depth to it, it just feels good.

[Ziklitschli]

That's probably true, that I'm not the best person to judge it as I'm not an arpg fan. I love similar but action oriented games ie gauntlet though. Still, I think it would be a much better game and I'd tolerate it much better if it wasn't for that strange graphical disconnect between gear and attacks and if the enemy special attacks were more varied and in line with creature type.

I was genuinely curious btw, my intent wasn't just to bash it or argue, that came with trying again heh and I do that from time to time - give game a chance, must be sth to it, millions can't be wrong etc etc.

What you say about fidget spinner makes sense and is in line with my observations and exactly not a game for me. I would still be able to appreciate it and even enjoy in short bursts (like I had with hc barbarian when he was in danger) though if it wasn't for the lack of punishment for failure - that for me is a crime against gaming. I understand the systemic problems with punishment in arpg but this is a worst choice of all. Unless ofc hardcore is the intended way to play, doesn't seem so though as you probably need to have a lot of meta knowledge to survive.

What I also take from what you said is that I should adjust difficulty on the fly, don't like that type of around the game gameplay either (I'll try though). I take issue in general with the approach to games like in first Destiny, hey campaign is just an introduction to the game that's why it's so easy that you can't die. Seems Diablo is the same, play at last several hours just to see the real game and learn its basic quirks, sound like something only a big company/ brand can ask the player to do.

Anyway imo the 4th should have real penalty for dying.

[xCLAVEx]

Blizzard logic; Diablo 4s most demanded class likely won't be included with the launch. Worse, there are further indicators it may not ever be included even in a future expansion.

That class is the necromancer

More detail here; https://gamerant.com/diablo-4-classe...cromancer/amp/

[saumilsingh]

^ That read like an article produced for the heck of it.

The 3 classes revealed so far are a melee, a mage and a hybrid.
A summoner and a ranged assassin feel like the most obvious archetypes to be among the final 2 yet to be revealed.

Not saying that's how it's going to be, but the Necromancer is anything but cut out by their 'process of elimination' .

[Silent-Runner]

The necromancer was my favorite class, although they had their very own problems, like the minion-AI that sometimes blocked your way completely -.- As for Diablo 4, well, to be honest i'm not that excited at all after that borefest they called Diablo 3

[xCLAVEx]

This is blizzard we are talking about though, and they've been doing a TON of questionable and flat out boneheaded decisions lately. I wouldn't put it past them.

[Sundance Kid V2]

This is blizzard we are talking about though, and they've been doing a TON of questionable and flat out boneheaded decisions lately. I wouldn't put it past them.

I smell DLC ... (more $$$$)

[koralis]

^ That read like an article produced for the heck of it.

The 3 classes revealed so far are a melee, a mage and a hybrid.
A summoner and a ranged assassin feel like the most obvious archetypes to be among the final 2 yet to be revealed.

Not saying that's how it's going to be, but the Necromancer is anything but cut out by their 'process of elimination' .

https://gamerant.com/diablo-4-skills-unlock-how-many/

The character's skills will be modified by a two-fold skill tree comprised of roots and branches. Players modify and gain active abilities by spending points in the branches, which in turn unlocks points that can be spent on the roots for passive abilities.
...
The developers also noted that players will not be able to acquire every skill in a single playthrough, and may in fact require multiple characters to fully explore a single class. This adds tremendous weight to every build decision. This system contributes re-playability and adds depth to every class, at the potential expense of frustrating completionists and aspiring jacks-of-all-trades. Ultimately, more interesting builds seem like a worthy trade-off, and hopefully, Blizzard gets creative with Diablo 4's classes to maximize the system's potential.

Seems likely that Necromancy is a branch of the Sorcerer tree. One of the possible "subclasses."

[saumilsingh]

Requiring multiple characters to fully explore a single class doesn't mean that your Sorceress will potentially become a Necromancer.
It's just Blizzard going back to rpg roots and discarding the D3 design of unlocking everything.
eg: There will be a fire tree, cold tree, lightning tree, hydra tree, etc.



That site is stupid, they are just putting 4 and 4 together and getting 16.
Look at this article: https://gamerant.com/diablo-4-new-cl...hellfire-bard/

Back in 1997, the original Diablo received the expansion known as Diablo: Hellfire. It officially added one new class in the form of the Monk, but by digging through the code, it turns out there were two more: the Barbarian and the Bard. Players could actually get into the character, but since they were left over from development, the Barbarian and Bard used the Warrior and Rogue art work specifically and respectively. And since the Barbarian is already in Diablo 4, there's little reason a Bard couldn't be.

Bard confirmed!



The priests of Rathma are extremely integral to the lore of Diablo and Sanctuary. They were literally the first Nephalem.
As such it would take some tremendously stupid logic to have an existing class such as the Sorceress cannibalize the Necromancer.

Not saying D4 will have a Necromancer upon launch or even in the future.
But that website is jumping to wild conclusions to generate clickbait traffic.

[koralis]

Requiring multiple characters to fully explore a single class doesn't mean that your Sorceress will potentially become a Necromancer.
It's just Blizzard going back to rpg roots and discarding the D3 design of unlocking everything.
eg: There will be a fire tree, cold tree, lightning tree, hydra tree, etc.

It doesn't mean it will. It means it COULD, and that's all I said along with my opinion that it seems like a reasonable way to go. But ultimately it depends on how deep they think a given concept needs to go. On the positive side, it means that you could potentially shake things up with a cold + zombie build. (white walkers ahoy!)

Not saying D4 will have a Necromancer upon launch or even in the future.
But that website is jumping to wild conclusions to generate clickbait traffic.

The "conclusion" was mine, not the website. The website simply said that there will be a ton of options, and you won't get the ability to choose them all. The "conclusion" I come to is that in that case it's possible to fit a lot of subclasses into a generic base class. Will they? Who the hell knows.

[bill dennison]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsT0CN-LMwo

[theshadowcult]

that seems ... pretty lack luster. like, its not far off release, and last epoc or wolcen look better than that. not just visually. This is a major studio with a lot of money behind it.

[bill dennison]

that seems ... pretty lack luster. like, its not far off release, and last epoc or wolcen look better than that. not just visually. This is a major studio with a lot of money behind it.

it's still pre alpha

and then it's M$ now or soon will be

[theshadowcult]

its definitely not pre alpha. not only has there been in house beta testing, which literally makes it no pre alpha. there was also a believable leak from inhouse, suggesting they are pushing for q1 2023 release.

unless you meant the video specifically. then fair enough

[Nunz]

Could be an old build too.

I'm watching but not excited just yet. D2R proved that you don't need to reinvent the wheel to have a great game.

[nutcrackr]

Somebody leaked footage of the closed beta. The videos didn't really show a lot of detail in the environment so didn't look even close to done.

[bill dennison]

it needs more storage

[Drexion]

Diablo 4 could be launching in April 2023, with preorders going live December

"- Diablo 4 may be getting revealed at The Game Awards in December, and we now have some tentative corroboration.
- Reported on the XboxEra podcast and corroborated by our own sources, it seems Diablo 4 could be targeting an April 2023 launch window.
- The game should go live for preorder during The Game Awards 2022 alongside various digital editions and a premium collector's edition with some rather fiery goodies." (source)

[xCLAVEx]

that seems ... pretty lack luster. like, its not far off release, and last epoc or wolcen look better than that. not just visually. This is a major studio with a lot of money behind it.

Wolcen has a good, meaty and satisfying feel to it's combat for sure but it's too short and doesn't have a lot of content.

Last EPOCH has quite a bit more content, but it's combat feels...bleh. It's like you are just gliding through and doesn't have much weight to it. Everything feels puny and "pew pew" instead of "SMASH". Not very satisfying combat.

[Silent-Runner]

release date: 06/06/2023

Collectors edition:

diablo-4-collectors-edition.jpg

Price:

Standard: 66,99 €
Digital Deluxe: 89,99 €
Ultimate Edition: 99,99 €

My guess for the Collectors Edition would be a hefty 199,99 €

[nutcrackr]

I generally like the look of what they've done. I'm slightly worried about their monetization, with battle pass and regular content drops so they can ensure you have FOMO.

Also where's the damn paladin you fools

[theshadowcult]

66.99 euro? wtf lol. that would be 105 or something aud. no ****ign way would i pay that for a "standard" edition of a game.

[pax]

A few other sites like Kinguin had it at 66$ CAD which isnt too bad. Ill probably hit them at some point instead of the 90$ CAD standard price. Thats too much.

[Silent-Runner]

66.99 euro? wtf lol. that would be 105 or something aud. no ****ign way would i pay that for a "standard" edition of a game.

yeah, i won't pay that kind of money for something like D4, but, as usual, most people will.

[CyanBlues]

I generally like the look of what they've done. I'm slightly worried about their monetization, with battle pass and regular content drops so they can ensure you have FOMO.

Also where's the damn paladin you fools

same, a bit worried about their monetization too, I'm hesitant to preorder because of that

[SubCog]

same, a bit worried about their monetization too, I'm hesitant to preorder because of that

Well Diablo 3's launch went great, so what could possibly go wrong now?

[Sundance Kid V2]

same, a bit worried about their monetization too, I'm hesitant to preorder because of that

Never pre-order. And especially Blizzard...

[xCLAVEx]

I generally like the look of what they've done. I'm slightly worried about their monetization, with battle pass and regular content drops so they can ensure you have FOMO.

Also where's the damn paladin you fools

Blizzard has multiple times insisted it will be for cosmetics only. If true, then it's a non issue, but we'll see in the long run. Release date is in June so it's still a ways off.

[Nascar24]

Don't see much of a point in pre-ordering digital unless you get something off the ridiculous $70 price for games now. Thanks Sony, you bastages!

[Silent-Runner]

Don't see much of a point in pre-ordering digital unless you get something off the ridiculous $70 price for games now. Thanks Sony, you bastages!

you get a whooping 4 days headstart

[nutcrackr]

Diablo IV's Open Beta is coming soon.

Early Access: 3/17 - 3/19
Open Beta: 3/24 - 3/26

Pre-purchase for Early Access to the Open Beta.

Details: https://blizz.ly/40Wg35L

[SubCog]

Are you guys sure this game didn't launch already? Somehow I though this game had been out for several years now.

[koralis]

Are you guys sure this game didn't launch already? Somehow I though this game had been out for several years now.

You're probably thinking Diablo Immortal, initially released on cell phones till the wailing and gnashing of teeth convinced them to port to PC quickly.

[pax]

Game launches this June unless delayed. My one def full price buy of the year.

[Dungeoncrawler]

How many of you dummies are going to pre-order so you can play in the beta?

[theshadowcult]

Isnt everyone? i mean, being stupid is the in thing these days isnt it?

[nutcrackr]

i preordered the prime evil edition that comes with a real soulstone that I can impale in my forehead

[Mangler]

I can't afford to pre-order it, I spent all of my money on gems in diablo immortal.

[nutcrackr]

u giv soj?

[pax]

Beta pre install is online and 85 gigs yea pretty massive... theres 2 beta weekends so not too shabby... R290 is one notch above minimum recommended but rest of pc way above... will be interesting to see if I need to buy a new gpu for this.