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    Originally posted by Nunz View Post
    Epic's shitty practices.
    Epic has no choice but to use those tactics because of the effective monopoly that Valve has. If Valve didn't have such an 'effective monopoly', then companies that wish to seriously compete with them wouldn't have to resort to exclusive deals.

    Many developers, both indie and tripleA have complained about Valve's "shitty practices" as well, though you don't ever hear Steam fanboys bringing those up. The biggest being the 30% tax they refuse to lower even as bandwidth and hosting costs dropped 10 fold in the past two decades. The whole reason that other publishers splintered off into their own launchers, was because Valve refused to lower this cut. The entire fault the PC space splintered off into a mess of platforms and launchers lies at Valve's feet. How's that for 'shitty practices'? Something like 15% would be more reasonable and also sustainable seeing the billions in profit they rake each year.

    When Valve finally decided to say ok here's 20%, it only applies to tripleAs that sell 10million+ copies, shitting on indies even more. Even Valve's ex employees were shitting on them for refusing to lower their cut, it's somewhere earlier in this thread.

    Right now as we speak there are multiple lawsuits from game developers against Valve, for everything from antitrust practices to market manipulation. (for eg Valve can and will penalize your company if you don't agree to sell your games at prices they deem acceptable on other platforms) Imagine Valve telling you what $ you can or cannot sell your game at on storefronts they have nothing to do with, and if you refuse they fark you over completely on their platform. That's bullshit practices.

    Epic Games has given freely millions of dollars of assets to indie developers, completely royalty and license free - with massive amounts of support in the form of code samples, models, assets, textures, animations, materials, free courses/tutorials, not to mention Unreal Engine 4 and 5 both 100% completely free to use. All things Valve promised for Source 2 that never materialized.

    Sure Epic isn't flawless and no doubt they do a lot of nonsense as well, but Valve's monopoly is BAD for everyone. Every other industry throughout human history has suffered when one company gets an effective monopoly in the market. What's going to happen when Gaben kicks the bucket and some truly evil company like Apple buys full ownership? When you see the true evil companies like Apple don't hesitate to dole out, then you'll really regret every single cent you spent on their platform.
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      Well said.

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        Originally posted by zizbuka View Post
        But isn't that the problem most people have with EGS? It's not really competition if EGS throws lots of money for the game to not be anywhere else.


        I'm all for games being available everywhere. My digital store order:


        GOG
        Steam
        Epic
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        .
        .
        .
        Uplay
        Origin
        And yet epic at #3 would never have happened without exclusive deals and giveaways. It's be down there with origin.

        Epic is in a Break-the-inertia phase right now. Left to their own devices 100% of customers would stick with steam (or GoG??) , which simply reinforces steams dominance and let's them demand anything they want from developers. Building a credible alternative to steam takes time, and some pain on all parts.
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          In all honesty Steam works great, isnt a a piece of crap and has the majority of games. Most of the other stores (at least the ones i use) are still laggy garbage even for as long as they've been out......
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            Many games through Epic do not have true offline mode. I've never had that problem with my Steam games.
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              I guess I would use whichever platform had the game I wanted for the best deal, assuming that platform didn’t have a high number of proven, and somewhat serious complaints against it.

              I would really prefer a stand alone client that launches my games regardless of where I bought them and independent from that platforms client, but…we don’t have that, that I’m aware of.

              Then again, I only play 1 or 2 games a year, maybe…so just not that important to me…

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                Guild of Dungeoneering, Kid A Mnesia Exhibition, Never alone free on EGS from 11/18/2021 to 11/25/2021


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                  epic is giving away free radiohead albums now? Hmm, weird, but i could maybe get into that
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                    It's not an album. I'm not quite sure what it is, but I'm certainly curious.

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                      Originally posted by Lazy8s View Post
                      I guess I would use whichever platform had the game I wanted for the best deal, assuming that platform didn’t have a high number of proven, and somewhat serious complaints against it.

                      I would really prefer a stand alone client that launches my games regardless of where I bought them and independent from that platforms client, but…we don’t have that, that I’m aware of.

                      Then again, I only play 1 or 2 games a year, maybe…so just not that important to me…
                      Use GOG galaxy, combines them all so you can download through them. Works pretty good too.
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                        Originally posted by theshadowcult View Post
                        epic is giving away free radiohead albums now? Hmm, weird, but i could maybe get into that
                        https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-U...sia-exhibition


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                          Originally posted by theshadowcult View Post
                          epic is giving away free radiohead albums now? Hmm, weird, but i could maybe get into that
                          I hear enough whining playing multiplayer games, don't need Thom Yorke on top of that
                          Hi

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                            free until 12/09/21

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                              https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-U...-shopping-cart

                              HOLY ****, RIP steam, how can valve compete with shopping carts?


                              And on a more serious note, what is up with the godfall version?

                              They removed the campaign, is it some kind of weird f2p version that they for some reason still is asking money for?

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                                Originally posted by Mangler View Post
                                https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-U...-shopping-cart

                                HOLY ****, RIP steam, how can valve compete with shopping carts?


                                And on a more serious note, what is up with the godfall version?

                                They removed the campaign, is it some kind of weird f2p version that they for some reason still is asking money for?
                                wut? They made it f2p ? lol!!!

                                edit: godfall was a **** game in case (reviews kicked it in the nuts)..

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                                  Originally posted by Sundance Kid V2 View Post
                                  wut? They made it f2p ? lol!!!
                                  It's just the 'endgame' they are giving away, still need to puchase the story modes/campaigns.
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                                    Originally posted by Mangler View Post
                                    https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-U...-shopping-cart

                                    HOLY ****, RIP steam, how can valve compete with shopping carts?


                                    And on a more serious note, what is up with the godfall version?

                                    They removed the campaign, is it some kind of weird f2p version that they for some reason still is asking money for?
                                    Yeah, its a f2p version of the game, that gives you one character at a high level and some gear, so you can "play" the three end game modes. You get nothing else as far as i can see. This is not a free epic game, its just a "free game", that happens to be on epic.
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                                      FF7 Remake on pc will be a EGS exclusive.

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                                        Originally posted by Dungeoncrawler View Post
                                        FF7 Remake on pc will be a EGS exclusive.
                                        Waiting on complete collection :3
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                                            Originally posted by Dungeoncrawler View Post
                                            FF7 Remake on pc will be a EGS exclusive.
                                            YES!
                                            Finally the FF7 news ive been waiting forever for.

                                            edit after watching the trailer: dear god was the voice acting always this cringey?

                                            Originally posted by Seyiji View Post
                                            Waiting on complete collection :3
                                            Yeah i feel like i need to wait for the whole collection so i dont think i'll get it anytime soon...maybe in 10 years or so when they finally finish the whole thing.

                                            AT least now i know i dont need a Playstation to play some of these square enix games (namely Kingdom Hearts collection and FF7 remake)
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                                              Looks like square-enix is trying to make 80€ pc games a thing.

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                                                Originally posted by Mangler View Post
                                                Looks like square-enix is trying to make 80€ pc games a thing.
                                                yea square enix games are expensive.

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                                                  Originally posted by Sundance Kid V2 View Post
                                                  yea square enix games are expensive.
                                                  Yeah, I've been wanting to get Octopath Traveler for a while. I think the biggest discount it's had is 50% off, which puts it at $40.

                                                  Trying to keep game prices high might be an effective strategy for developers if I didn't already have enough games to play until the end of time.

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                                                    If you own a Nintendo Switch then those game prices are...normal (the Nintendo tax is real, just like the apple tax)

                                                    On other consoles and the PC they're usually cheaper....i just find it funny that everyone complains about the high game prices when as a Nintendo Switch owner we had to live with these high prices already lol.
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                                                      Originally posted by ugly View Post
                                                      Trying to keep game prices high might be an effective strategy for developers if I didn't already have enough games to play until the end of time.

                                                      Oh yes, I know that problem. Maybe we need to get T-shirts, form a group.

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                                                        Originally posted by ugly View Post
                                                        Yeah, I've been wanting to get Octopath Traveler for a while. I think the biggest discount it's had is 50% off, which puts it at $40.
                                                        you can get the key for what, around 20 bucks, on almost every keystore.


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                                                          CAN I RECEIVE MORE THAN ONE $10 EPIC COUPON FOR A SINGLE TRANSACTION?
                                                          No. However, the $10 Epic Coupon applies to all eligible games in your shopping cart and will aggregate savings for each eligible item in your shopping cart.
                                                          Throw your money at Tim Epic.

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                                                            Originally posted by Mangler View Post
                                                            Throw your money at Tim Epic.
                                                            Naw doge moar like get a free game every day for the foreseeable future from Tim Epic starting with Shenmue III :3
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                                                              i dont get it. what am i missing
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                                                                Originally posted by theshadowcult View Post
                                                                i dont get it. what am i missing
                                                                You are missing buttsechs.

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                                                                  Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                                                  You are missing buttsechs.
                                                                  I can attest.

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                                                                    anyone seen leaks or has any idea what the free games list looks like for the next 15 days after Shenmue 3?
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                                                                      I bought Final Fantasy 7 Remake today on Epic Store. Total price after tax was $75, Epic paid $10 of that with the coupon, my work paid $35 with a pre-paid VISA they gave me, leaving me to only have to pay $30 out of my own pocket. Fantastic deal.
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                                                                        Ghost Recon BR decided to just download itself today. How thoughtful of it.

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                                                                            Originally posted by Sasquach View Post
                                                                            anyone seen leaks or has any idea what the free games list looks like for the next 15 days after Shenmue 3?

                                                                            Far as I can see Shenmue was leaked, but so far, seems to be the only title.

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                                                                              Originally posted by Megaman View Post
                                                                              Ghost Recon BR decided to just download itself today. How thoughtful of it.
                                                                              Epic knows what you want to play even when you dont want to play it.
                                                                              Never put off tomorrow what you can put off today!

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                                                                                Lots of lowest ever prices with this coupon thing.

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                                                                                  Possible leak list from Japan:



                                                                                  For 12/26 in Japan (12/25 for the West), that is World Monster Hunter
                                                                                  For 1/1 (12/31 for the West) that says Assassin Creed series (no game specified)
                                                                                  Stars are games given away for free in the past.

                                                                                  If you set your phone or computer time forward to past when the next game reveal happens, then go to Epic store and click on the Mystery Game it takes you to a store page for Fuser+ Timberlake DLC, to looks like it's correct so far.
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