Chris Roberts Space Garage Simulator: Star Citizen

[badboy]

I want this ship

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maybe next year.

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[ATI FURY-OUS]

For those interested, the Banu merchantman and the Zi'An scout is for sale right now. (theoreticlly also the Idris-P, but it's ou5t of stock)

how the F can a digital add-on be out of stock

[El_Diablo]

how the F can a digital add-on be out of stock

There was a limited amout sold (100). 25 ships was sold at 4 times during the day

[aviphysics]

how the F can a digital add-on be out of stock

You will still be able to buy them in the game, but they say they wanted to limit the number of people that would start off with them.

[Dungeoncrawler]

I'm not implying he won't release a functioning game. I'm not even implying it won't be great. What I am implying is that his 'perfect world' as he envisions it in his mind will never mature past some very intuitive wishful thinking. Its not like this guy is the gaming equivalent of Einstein or Galileo. He's just another developer who has a couple of popular games under his belt

[Mangler]

Has he ever told what went wrong with the movie?

[Cyko]

In a thread on their forums discussing the dogfighting module I posted that the possibility of a delay until next year should make people re-think their stance on the game, given that CR adamantly stated that it would be out before 01JAN "no matter what". If the delay happens he SHOULD lose some of the faith he's been given, as he is a veteran developer and SHOULD KNOW BETTER than to make an absolute statement like that without a finished or near finished product in hand. I had a few people agree with me but HOREEEE-SHEEAAAT did people jump on me after that. From "oh boo hoo" and "give him a break you whiner" etc. on down the line. People need to get off Chris Robert's "D" and take a step back, looking at the promises made as if it would be acceptable from any other developer.

[Darkz0r]

In a thread on their forums discussing the dogfighting module I posted that the possibility of a delay until next year should make people re-think their stance on the game, given that CR adamantly stated that it would be out before 01JAN "no matter what". If the delay happens he SHOULD lose some of the faith he's been given, as he is a veteran developer and SHOULD KNOW BETTER than to make an absolute statement like that without a finished or near finished product in hand. I had a few people agree with me but HOREEEE-SHEEAAAT did people jump on me after that. From "oh boo hoo" and "give him a break you whiner" etc. on down the line. People need to get off Chris Robert's "D" and take a step back, looking at the promises made as if it would be acceptable from any other developer.

People get very passionate on the internerds....and "fans" forget its a BUSINESS.
Sure, it's a game from "gamers" and "space lovers" too, but they should be accountable with our $$.

Funny how misplaced our society values are today. Someone cut you off in traffic and ITS HELL ON EARTH, but oh boy, that beloved dev can sure delay everything because hes a nice guy.

[aviphysics]

In a thread on their forums discussing the dogfighting module I posted that the possibility of a delay until next year should make people re-think their stance on the game, given that CR adamantly stated that it would be out before 01JAN "no matter what". If the delay happens he SHOULD lose some of the faith he's been given, as he is a veteran developer and SHOULD KNOW BETTER than to make an absolute statement like that without a finished or near finished product in hand. I had a few people agree with me but HOREEEE-SHEEAAAT did people jump on me after that. From "oh boo hoo" and "give him a break you whiner" etc. on down the line. People need to get off Chris Robert's "D" and take a step back, looking at the promises made as if it would be acceptable from any other developer.

Jeeez do I hate your use of CAPS. It makes me what to p#$%% in your #$%#.

That aside, this is sort of a c'est la vie kind of situation. Nothing that can really be done to change CR's development schedule and I feel perfectly happy to let others keep piling money on the game.

[Napoleonic]

my understanding is that the possible delay for the dogfighting module is only for the player vs player part, it's still on schedule for the player vs ai part.

[Cyko]

Jeeez do I hate your use of CAPS. It makes me what to p#$%% in your #$%#.

That aside, this is sort of a c'est la vie kind of situation. Nothing that can really be done to change CR's development schedule and I feel perfectly happy to let others keep piling money on the game.

WHY do you hate MY use of CAPS!?!?!? Do YOU not understand they put EMPHASIS on the words I'm trying to EMPHASIZE!?!?

[v3rninater]

my understanding is that the possible delay for the dogfighting module is only for the player vs player part, it's still on schedule for the player vs ai part.

Cool that works for me, PVP isn't always the best, because players just find a way to exploit something in most PVP I've played. Either way, I wanna fly some of my ships and see what they are like, hopefully this game feels as good as it looks!...GASP!!

[ATI FURY-OUS]

is the cryengine capable of delivering on the scale CR has promised

or while its cryendine 3 atm, will it be another version of cryengine when say star citizen is out in a few years time when the xbox two and ps5 are out

[Napoleonic]

Hangar Patch 9

Greetings Citizens,




We’re pleased to announce that Hangar Patch 9 is now available! The big news with today’s patch is that the Hangar now features client-side persistence. That means that the changes you make to your hangar are now permanent: you can change your ship loadouts in the holotable, log off and come back without having them reset!
The bulk of today’s changes are “under the hood.” Patch 9 includes a number of bug fixes, but more importantly it sets the stage to incorporate future hangar changes and other Star Citizen modules currently in development. We know it’s not as exciting as a new ship, but it’s essential for what we have in the works. Another public-facing Hangar patch is coming before the end of the year, and it promises to include more for Citizens to play with.
There are still a few surprises to be found in your hangars today. We’ve added a trophy case to every hangar, which displays several possible things. If you have a Gold Ticket on your account, it will now show up there, as will the RSI Zeus model and the 2943 Gamescom trophy. Your fish tanks have also been given a big makeover!
If you’re interested in helping us test the latest changes, try changing our ship loadouts and then logging back on to see if they’re correct. If you run into any issues, please report them to the Hangar Bug Report forum for our QA team to investigate. Note that the changes are currently local, so you can’t carry them over from one computer to another. Server-side persistence, a must for the finished game, is in development now.

[Cyko]

Yay. A trophy case, a revamped fish tank, and the beds work on the Constellation. SOOOO much progress since the last patch...

Oh yeah, and client side persistence...not server side yet though...yay. They should have just rolled this patch in with the next one that's supposedly coming out in December that might actually include some content.

[ATI FURY-OUS]

my goodness id be pissed if i paid money for this

[theshadowcult]

my goodness id be pissed if i paid money for this

The game isn't even released yet... why you be upset when they give you ANYTHING before it's release

[badboy]

Yay. A trophy case, a revamped fish tank, and the beds work on the Constellation. SOOOO much progress since the last patch...

Oh yeah, and client side persistence...not server side yet though...yay. They should have just rolled this patch in with the next one that's supposedly coming out in December that might actually include some content.

my goodness id be pissed if i paid money for this

whaaat?
are you guys high or something?
drunk?
cant think?

How do you think game development works?
some programmer and artist spend 1 day and make a whole AAA game then the studios spend 3-5 years getting rid of bugs?

wth is wrong with people

[Cyko]

No dink, I know that's not how game development works. However when you have 34+ million dollars you put out better updates than "Here's a trophy case and a fish tank, be happy". Especially when CR said the DFM will be out this year "No matter what" and now it looks like it'll just be some lame@ss firing range. I expect developers of his caliber to make intelligent decisions and statements, which so far he has not done (this patch, his statements around the DFM, etc.).

Instead of the "content updates" of "hey, since we don't have any WIP to show you we'll tell you all the details about this star system...which we can't show you...because it doesn't exist yet" they put out some pictures of the ships being built, or in-engine shots of the star systems they are creating. I don't gargle any dev's balls, I hold them to their word and if they don't meet it then I lose faith in them.

...and yes, when you pledge over $1k like I have I expect some fking quality updates.

[Napoleonic]

The bulk of today’s changes are “under the hood.” Patch 9 includes a number of bug fixes, but more importantly it sets the stage to incorporate future hangar changes and other Star Citizen modules currently in development. We know it’s not as exciting as a new ship, but it’s essential for what we have in the works. Another public-facing Hangar patch is coming before the end of the year, and it promises to include more for Citizens to play with.

[Cyko]

...and dogfighting is delayed by a couple of MONTHS. lol. i knew it would happen. should have listened to my friends, this game isn't coming out until 2020 and CR is full of it. "before the new year, no matter what" my @ss

[RicH(SAD)]

...and dogfighting is delayed by a couple of MONTHS. lol. i knew it would happen. should have listened to my friends, this game isn't coming out until 2020 and CR is full of it. "before the new year, no matter what" my @ss

Hey now, at least we got a fish tank.

[Dungeoncrawler]

As fubar'ed as their last video cast was I'm surprised they've accomplished anything so-far. I can't say I get a good vibe from CR. He just seems rather shady imo.

[Cyko]

Hey now, at least we got a fish tank.

Yay. $34m raised and they shrink the size of the fish. He should spend more time meeting goals and putting out WIP and less time on lame @ss wingmans hangars / more stretch goals.

[v3rninater]

I feel, now that I've read the note, that it's the right decision, and he's right about more then a few "wanting" the game to fail. But what that really means, is there's a whole heck of a lot of us, that want it to rock, and be a huge EA smashing success!

I hope this game blows all other games out of the water in sales when it comes out, and I hope there's months, not hours, MONTHS worth of time to be spent in the game. I want to have a good game to play for awhile that will keep me interested!

Really, I wish the hanger update would include new ship models to screw with, but I'm not getting the impression that will happen. Who knows though, it would be a nice surprise! Specially that merchant man ship I bought on the 26th, I hope that thing is a big ol' beast.

[Dungeoncrawler]

I feel, now that I've read the note, that it's the right decision, and he's right about more then a few "wanting" the game to fail.

No one wants the game to fail.

[aviphysics]

No one wants the game to fail.

At this point, it seems like they have enough money that they are the only ones that will decide whether the game succeeds or fails.

[Thorney]

...and dogfighting is delayed by a couple of MONTHS. lol. i knew it would happen.

Piranha Games licensed CryEngine earlier and wound up having to strip out great swaths of networking code to get Mechwarrior Online... hmm... running well. I don't know the details - if it was just broken code or the features unsuitable as-is for their purposes. Roberts is also saying it does not do everything he needs it to do.

You can fault RSI for not anticipating they would encounter the same show stopping difficulties, otherwise point the shamey finger at Crytek.

[Cyko]

...or I can point the finger at CR for not releasing a SP version of the DFM and allowing us to fly against something. This kind of delay is BS and is not because of netcode, its because they don't have their sh*t together enough to release anything.

[SirBaron]

That's not far from the truth. If the files in the hanger version are the latest since patched. The ships in there are barely finished, let alone be something flyable without hacks from other crisis vehicles.

Basically dogfighting will be 2014, single player campaign will be 2016-2017 my guess, and multiplayer will be 2018-2019.

My guess but wouldn't be surprised.

[Dungeoncrawler]

That's not far from the truth. If the files in the hanger version are the latest since patched. The ships in there are barely finished, let alone be something flyable without hacks from other crisis vehicles.

Basically dogfighting will be 2014, single player campaign will be 2016-2017 my guess, and multiplayer will be 2018-2019.

My guess but wouldn't be surprised.

And at any point prior he can pull the project, keep the money, and fade back into oblivion. Which is where he was prior to SC. However by 2019 the technology might be available to make his version a reality. Right now I don't see it happening.

[Napoleonic]

...or I can point the finger at CR for not releasing a SP version of the DFM and allowing us to fly against something. This kind of delay is BS and is not because of netcode, its because they don't have their sh*t together enough to release anything.

well it's clear now that he's more focused on delivering the online part of the game and seemingly reluctant to cater to SP guys...

but other than that, give them a break, if you follow the RSI site and forum you can see that the team are actually active in dealing with the community, far more than typical corporation funded game dev which is basically little to nothing.

and while I agree that the project seemingly a little over ambitious, I have confidence in them and I acknowledge that the hangar module is something new I haven't experienced before, I mean look at it this way, would Polyphony Digital release pre alpha garage module for Grand Turismo 7 fans? nope, they would simply completely silent about the subject, same thing with GTA VI, or Mass Effect 4 etc.

and again while it does seem a little over ambitious project, I'm confident it can be done with such massive fund they have already, and that I'm guessing that the coding part will still below something like a DCS study sim project; if a smaller (albeit very experienced) team with much smaller budget can boast an accomplishment that their sim is actually more complex than the real military level sim, then surely CIG teams can do this game.

[Dungeoncrawler]

and again while it does seem a little over ambitious project, I'm confident it can be done with such massive fund they have already, and that I'm guessing that the coding part will still below something like a DCS study sim project; if a smaller (albeit very experienced) team with much smaller budget can boast an accomplishment that their sim is actually more complex than the real military level sim, then surely CIG teams can do this game.

Far simpler task imo. Military sims have a ton of real-life tech they can use as a very defined blueprint towards sim development. Now if CR wants to do a lunar landing sim, or ISS adventure then he might be able to accomplish the same level of realism. I think the backers will eventually get something, but it will be a far cry from what CR is promising, or what the backers are expecting.

[Napoleonic]

Far simpler task imo. Military sims have a ton of real-life tech they can use as a very defined blueprint towards sim development. Now if CR wants to do a lunar landing sim, or ISS adventure then he might be able to accomplish the same level of realism. I think the backers will eventually get something, but it will be a far cry from what CR is promising, or what the backers are expecting.

not really, DCS AFM coding is more complex than imaginary newtonian space flight system coding, pretty sure of it since for example there's no atmospheric layers in space to adjust the space flight dynamics; and I'm thinking about the coding to make them possible should be far simpler than DCS AFM system.

the harder part of coding in star citizen would be to make the persistent universe, with all the mess and limited capabilities of cryengine on that department.

[Dungeoncrawler]

not really, DCS AFM coding is more complex than imaginary newtonian space flight system coding, pretty sure of it since for example there's no atmospheric layers in space to adjust the space flight dynamics; and I'm thinking about the coding to make them possible should be far simpler than DCS AFM system.

That may be so.

the harder part of coding in star citizen would be to make the persistent universe, with all the mess and limited capabilities of cryengine on that department.

Certainly seems like there exists a limitation. Games like the X-Series have large, persistent universes but rarely seem to work the bugs completely out of the equation.

[Darkz0r]

That's not far from the truth. If the files in the hanger version are the latest since patched. The ships in there are barely finished, let alone be something flyable without hacks from other crisis vehicles.

Basically dogfighting will be 2014, single player campaign will be 2016-2017 my guess, and multiplayer will be 2018-2019.

My guess but wouldn't be surprised.

I wouldn't be surprised as well. They are not EA, so they don't have (clear) deadlines.

That is good and bad...maybe they CAN deliver, but it might take a long time. Nowdays no games take that long to go retail because they need to make $$$, since they already made a fair amount of $$, it's a different logic.

I've pledged 40 or 60 recently, EVENTUALLY I think it will be worth it!

[aviphysics]

Minecraft was also in development for ages (basically still is in development). I think that is probably what the development of SC will look like. Starting simple and gradually building with each release. Could take 5 to 10 years for the game to be feature complete.

[Thorney]

well it's clear now that he's more focused on delivering the online part of the game and seemingly reluctant to cater to SP guys...

It's all interrelated. The design decisions they make for scope of game states, what is and is not shared in a multiplayer environment, directly impacts the scope of AI behavior and the single player experience. We already have an example of such a game, Star Trek Online.

The decision to junk Crytek's "back end" is an opportunity to rethink the massively part of MMP. In turn this will define how sexy your space battles will be in Squadron 42.

I don't care how it all looks if it turns out to be no better than Star Trek Online where everything is reset five seconds behind you (which you can witness if you literally look behind you) and nothing exists five seconds ahead of you. STO's multiplayer and single player experience suck equally because the game play is the same.

And, yeah, sounds like they need to hire more mesh wranglers to pump out those ships on an accelerated schedule. Good thing cost is no hindrance.

[aviphysics]

...or I can point the finger at CR for not releasing a SP version of the DFM and allowing us to fly against something. This kind of delay is BS and is not because of netcode, its because they don't have their sh*t together enough to release anything.

What would a single player version of the DFM even look like?

My suspicion has been that the first version of DFM would be bare empty space that a small number of ships can fly around in and shoot at each other. Also, the AI is almost certainly not ready if they don't even have the DFM put together (seems like it would be difficult to develop and test AI without the DFM.)

So basically, a single player DFM would probably be just a big empty space for you to fly your ship around. If I were CR, I wouldn't want to take time away from other tasks to release that either.

[Cyko]

What would a single player version of the DFM even look like?

My suspicion has been that the first version of DFM would be bare empty space that a small number of ships can fly around in and shoot at each other. Also, the AI is almost certainly not ready if they don't even have the DFM put together (seems like it would be difficult to develop and test AI without the DFM.)

So basically, a single player DFM would probably be just a big empty space for you to fly your ship around. If I were CR, I wouldn't want to take time away from other tasks to release that either.

:sigh:...did you even bother watching the livecast today? It's fairly clear that he is WAY behind on his schedule if he thought he could get the DFM out this year "no matter what"....and oh look, they put up some new weapons in the store so you can test the firing range out if you don't have the guns you like on your ships. Convenient Microtransaction paradise ahoy!

CR should just stop releasing any info at all until he has something ready, because it seems every time he or someone on his team opens their mouth they end up shooting themselves in the foot. My faith in the project dies a little every time they release an update.

Edit:
At least Elite: Dangerous is coming along nicely. Should be able to play that beta early next year.