Chris Roberts Space Garage Simulator: Star Citizen

[Thr0tt]

Trying this out now, stutters like fudge, music still playing and stopping and starting, defo an Alpha. Does appear much more advanced than when I tried it last year at the same event too. Maybe my PC just isnt up to the job.

Not a selling point to release this trial if you ask me, more of a reality check vs vids you see on the YouTubesintarwebthing.

[Android1]

It sounds as though the whole thing has been grossly mismanaged. Chris Roberts and Cloud Imperium Games bit off way more than they could chew at one time, and Star Citizen is now trapped in development hell.

[logical]

It sounds as though the whole thing has been grossly mismanaged. Chris Roberts and Cloud Imperium Games bit off way more than they could chew at one time, and Star Citizen is now trapped in development hell.

They really didnt bite off more than they could chew. What they bit off was fine but then they kept trying to stuff their faces.

[Android1]

They really didnt bite off more than they could chew. What they bit off was fine but then they kept trying to stuff their faces.

I agree. That is basically what I was trying to say, but I did not articulate it as clearly as I should have.

Here is a term that fits what happened: scope creep.

[Seyiji]

Trying this out now, stutters like fudge, music still playing and stopping and starting, defo an Alpha. Does appear much more advanced than when I tried it last year at the same event too. Maybe my PC just isnt up to the job.

Not a selling point to release this trial if you ask me, more of a reality check vs vids you see on the YouTubesintarwebthing.

Shove it on a SSD for 10 more fps in game.

[kboye]

Last time I played it I had game media streaming going on off the SSD, didn't slow me down but was pretty impressive use of an SSD. Several megabytes per second I think, constantly, even made a post about it here somewhere....

[Thr0tt]

Uninstalled, unplayable on non-SSD no matter the settings. Looked like it had potential, will revisit next year when another 'trial' comes about.

[nutcrackr]

BAHAHAHA they are selling live stream access to Citizen Con for $22.

Digital Ticket for CitizenCon 2948. Includes live streaming access to all presentations, exclusive digital items given away at CitizenCon, including an in-game wearable duster jacket, CitizenCon 2948 trophy, CitizenCon 2948 Weapon, access to purchase exclusive CitizenCon merchandise, plus an Imperator subscription for the month of October. (Subscription included with this item will begin on Oct 9th and end on Nov 9th)

Please note: re-streaming this content on a third-party site is prohibited.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizencon/tickets

Why do I have to pay for the livestream?
The scope of this year’s event, plus, the staffing and technical requirements of streaming two parallel stages, necessitates a ticket price. We strive to provide a digital experience that is as satisfying and comprehensive as possible.

Only Chairman's club members have access. If you spent hundreds on it already, BAD LUCK.

[logical]

BAHAHAHA they are selling live stream access to Citizen Con for $22.



https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizencon/tickets



Only Chairman's club members have access. If you spent hundreds on it already, BAD LUCK.

Charging and they are still going to have difficulties like every year.

I think they charged last year too didnt they?

[Eisberg]

Charging and they are still going to have difficulties like every year.

I think they charged last year too didnt they?

THis is the first year with charging for streaming access.



Also here is one Youtuber's take on this

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[Nunz]

How in the world people still defend this company is beyond me. They’re at EA levels of stupidity at this point

[daPhoenix]

How in the world people still defend this company is beyond me. They’re at EA levels of stupidity at this point

Because they've invested so much money, time and emotion into it that they cannot say "This is incredibly ****ing stupid" because all their investment would fall on the floor.

It's pretty basic psychology, very prevalent in IT and gaming too.

[Eisberg]

Chris responded
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/s...ncon-streaming

TLDR: We decided to go bigger and bolder, have 2 stages, and hire a professional crew to Stream all this stuff, and we have to use development money to make this possible, so we are charging for it so that we can use less development money, instead of just staying with in budget that the monthly subscriptions can afford.

I don't post often but this is a case where I will break that rule.

Why?

Because there seems to be a lot of vitriol and outrage that is unfairly directed towards Community and Marketing .

If you're upset, you should be upset at me.

Because this was my idea.

Let me give you some context.

This year's CitizenCon is much bigger than last years, with two separate stages and tracks. We did this because we felt the format we tested last year was a success and because of this we wanted to expand it to allow more people to attend and provide more opportunities to hear from and interact with the devs.

With a venue and planned attendance three times the CitizenCon in Frankfurt, with more panels (so more devs needing to travel) , more food and drink options for everyone the proposed budget for this year's CitizenCon was almost double last years. And this was without any video coverage, let alone streaming of the second stage, and a plan to just stream the opening keynote from the main stage.

Yes, you read that right, the original plan didn't have any plan for streaming anything beyond the opening keynote. There was not even video archiving of the second stage due the additional costs of getting a second video crew for that stage. Even then there was some debate as to whether it was truly worth it to spend a chunk of change to stream the opening keynote for 90 minutes when we're always in a foot race to compress it as a high-quality video and post to YouTube as quickly as possible after the demo so people can enjoy a HD Video as opposed to a crappy re-post of a Twitch Stream.

While we get a nice viewership from streaming by far the most views is always through YouTube as the resulting press coverage links to it, whether its via our official channel or in the case we aren't quick enough someone else's re-posting of our stream. In terms of showing off Star Citizen, getting a high quality video up on YouTube is always our top priority. While everyone else is having a celebratory drink or mingling after the show the video team is locked away cleaning up a cut to post online, often staying up to 2am and past to do this. Which is why there was an argument to just let the attendees see it live and everyone else an hour or so later as a nice high-quality video.

Of course, me being me, wanted more.

I felt if we were bothering to put these panels on with all our top developers we should record all of it for the community to see. And if we were recording all of it then couldn't we also stream it all for the community members that were interested? And since we constantly get criticized for our home-brew approach to videography and streaming, let's bring in a specialist company that can handle multiple simultaneous stages, cameras and streams.

Now of course this doesn't help with the budget because what I just asked about adds a low six figure amount to the cost of the event. We really try to spend the money we raise on game development not community content or events. For that we use our subscriptions and try to defray the costs with sponsors like Intel last year.

Since we originally announced CitizenCon for this year in Austin there's been multiple threads about digital passes for those that can't make it to Austin midweek, I thought let's take a leaf out of Blizzard's book and have a digital pass to allow people to virtually be there for all the presentations and the money for these passes would help offset the not inconsiderable increase in costs that I was asking for because I wanted to do it better for all of you. It was a gamble because we're committing to the increased costs without knowing how many people would take us up on it but I decided we would take the gamble this year and if it doesn't pan out we'll write it up to experience and not be as ambitious in our video and live stream goals next year.

Because we do use subscription revenue for Community Content and Events we felt that subscribers should get the streaming perk for free as it is their contribution that pays for our video shows as well as other forms of community content and engagement. Also, because concierge level backers have contributed far more than anyone could expect to help us build the crazy dream that is Star Citizen I felt they should also be included (not unlike we early PTU access as a perk)

The plan is to record all presentations at a high quality, edit and post them to YouTube as we go, with the Keynote being up as soon as possible after it finished, and the other panels going out over the following days (you got to give the video team some time; we're talking 10 hours of finished content!)

Nothing was ever planned to be pay-walled or withheld form the community, and honestly I like the idea of most people seeing the presentations in their own time as a high quality video rather than a stream of potentially questionable quality. The live-stream aspect was always intended for the most ardent community members that want to see it live as it unfolds but can't make it to the event to be there in person.

We're not likely to cover the costs of the additional coverage and live-streaming but I felt we should be fiscally responsible and try to defray at least some of additional costs, which is how the current plan came to be.

We debated back and forth about whether we want to stream the keynote and closing for everyone, and have the rest require a streaming pass or require a streaming pass for all. We ended up coming down on the side of the pass for all, mostly for our ability to deliver a high quality video to everyone in short order and control the message and coordinate any press from the opening or closing. If we can give game sites a link to a video and guarantee that they will all get it at the same time we don't have to worry about different sites all trying to preempt each other, some linking to our stream, some linking to someone's YouTube re-post.

What we didn't anticipate is how dearly some of you value watching the main CitizenCon presentation live.

I get that some of you may not be considering these nuances when you're whipping out your pitchforks, which is why I thought it would help to detail our thought process and decision process. We're always trying to give you more, at a better quality, sometimes that requires us to charge for things that we haven't in the past.

But I get that some of you could feel that you've lost something that you've had previously, and you are not a true Star Citizen fan unless you've sat through an awkward live-stream with crashes and technical glitches, so we will have the opening keynote and my closing available for everyone that has a Star Citizen account, no digital pass required, with the other sessions requiring a digital pass to see live (and remember you'll be able to see these at your leisure, no restrictions a few days later)

I just don't want to see threads about how we shouldn't live-stream and just post a polished video afterwards (because that has never happened! /s)

Peace,

-Chris

[globalist]

Of course it was his idea. Bigger and bolder, lol. Feature creep even in PR, Roberts-style.

[nutcrackr]

Of course, me being me, wanted more.

Just LOL. This guy no concept of imposing a reasonable limit on anything he does.

It's good to see SC is getting pummeled in other communities for this decision

6 figures to cover streaming is laughable.

[Eisberg]

and in other news, the developers of Rebel Galaxy are having some fun with this

https://twitter.com/RebelGalaxy/stat...35432395874304

"If you cannot attend PAX, we are pleased to offer a 'digital ticket' that you can purchase that will allow you watch the ... to watch... to- ha... ahahaha.... I'm sorry I just can't do that with a straight face. And if you're at PAX, our shirts and posters are free."


Also watch for today on what is coming next from these developers
https://rebel-galaxy.com/

Here is a tweet one of the developers did last year, gave an animated gif of the game they were working on, Space combat in the form of Wing Commander/Freespace

https://twitter.com/TwinStickGames/s...65456435351552
Rumor has it, it is supposed to be a Privateer type game.

Hopefully, what the developers of Rebel Galaxy announce today gives us some good answers in exactly what they are developing.

[logical]

Thats so stupid. We can't afford it so you have to pay for it cause he wants some grand streaming ****. How about you reel it in and just do something sensible? Nobody really wants all these stages and all this extra stuff all they really want is to see the game. They can do that right from one of their HQs just fine with minimal cost.

If cloud imperium fans eat that and accept they are truly dillusional.

Eisberg you buying it?

[bill dennison]

Thats so stupid. We can't afford it so you have to pay for it cause he wants some grand streaming ****. How about you reel it in and just do something sensible? Nobody really wants all these stages and all this extra stuff all they really want is to see the game. They can do that right from one of their HQs just fine with minimal cost.

If cloud imperium fans eat that and accept they are truly dillusional.

Eisberg you buying it?

about the same as NV

[Eisberg]

Thats so stupid. We can't afford it so you have to pay for it cause he wants some grand streaming ****. How about you reel it in and just do something sensible? Nobody really wants all these stages and all this extra stuff all they really want is to see the game. They can do that right from one of their HQs just fine with minimal cost.

If cloud imperium fans eat that and accept they are truly dillusional.

Eisberg you buying it?

I think it is stupid to use development money on this, they should only do what thier subscription money and ticket sales to enter into the show in Austin can afford, and leave development money alone.

[nutcrackr]

Well he changed his mind.

After sleeping on this, I am going to chalk this one up to experience.

We're going to cut back on the live-streaming crew / costs but have both stages streamed for anyone with a Star Citizen user account.

Star Citizen Content Creators are welcome to rebroadcast our stream live.

If you would like to support the additional costs of streaming all the presentations, you can support the show by purchasing the CitizenCon digital goodies package (Imperators still get this as their October flair)

So he's at least AWARE that what he did was balls to the wall dumb. Still, sounds like it will cost them a chunk of dev money to do it all.

[Eisberg]

Even though I made a thread about this game, still going to post this here since it is related to SC. This video takes a jab at SC

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[logical]

Well he changed his mind.



So he's at least AWARE that what he did was balls to the wall dumb. Still, sounds like it will cost them a chunk of dev money to do it all.

Nothing like pissing off your core people.

[nutcrackr]

Trial set for march 2020 :/ Discovery plans have been sent in.

https://www.docdroid.net/gyyGc4q/031...131.pdf#page=7

Discovery concerning Defendants' byzantine corporate family structure is necessary to ensure that all necessary entities are joined in this action.

Citizencon starts this week (October 10th) and rumor is they'll be releasing another build.

[azalea]

Citizencon starts this week (October 10th) and rumor is they'll be releasing another build.

Ironic name Maybe they'll release Alpha 4.0 after the trial.

[aviphysics]

Ironic name Maybe they'll release Alpha 4.0 after the trial.

They have been releasing patches every 3 months. The current patch is being tested by the NDA group.

[Fuku2]

I am part of the NDA group.

[logical]

Trial set for march 2020 :/ Discovery plans have been sent in.

https://www.docdroid.net/gyyGc4q/031...131.pdf#page=7



Citizencon starts this week (October 10th) and rumor is they'll be releasing another build.

Just long enough to go bankrupt and owe nothing.

[Eisberg]

Just long enough to go bankrupt and owe nothing.

Where we at? Year 3.5 of them going bankrupt very soon. They have been going bankrupt since 2015, with 90 days tops to survive, according to some

[logical]

Where we at? Year 3.5 of them going bankrupt very soon. They have been going bankrupt since 2015, with 90 days tops to survive, according to some

You guys are at... longer than 3.5 years. Cit Con is a few days out lets see whats going on.

[nutcrackr]

September was a terrible month for them financially, they effectively lost $1.8 million. The year honestly hasn't been great either. I'm sure the whales will make Oct / Nov / Dec quite profitable for CIG and make it a net positive year.

They should get 12 million in Nov/Dec and I'm guessing they'll smash through $200 million in the middle of November.

[Munkus]

Rumor has it, when the game finally launches it will come with a free copy of Half-Life 3.

[acroig]

Rumor has it, when the game finally launches it will come with a free copy of Half-Life 3.

[kboye]

I thought it came bundled with an Intel CPU, the upcoming Intel GPU, a 256GB Optane (game preinstalled), and a USB 3.1 type C dongle that you'll have to use for online features

[nutcrackr]

One day left until the fun starts.

Croberts keynote is in 20hrs. Should be much better than previous years because they're spending 6 figures on it!

[shockwave]

Not impressed with the livestream this year.

We have some foliage on planets, you can drink a coffee and ice cubes float in whiskey. Putting a commuter train into the game was shown as a groundbreaking accomplishment. The new flight model isn't even included with today's 3.3 release.

I'm excited about the potential performance increase with OCS but aside from that...yawn. This is progressing way too slow.

[ALien8ed]

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[Dungeoncrawler]

didn't realize this game had so many movie industry players in it? starting to understand the price tag associated with making this game

[nutcrackr]

Croberts loves working with Hollywood royalty. He is basically making a movie.

All those famous faces are a good 10-12 million in funding for nov/dec.

[Dungeoncrawler]

All those famous faces are a good 10-12 million in funding for nov/dec.

that is some serious change.

[Greasy]

So when is S42 coming out? I'm betting on never, but the trailer was nice.