Chris Roberts Space Garage Simulator: Star Citizen

[daPhoenix]

1ews and save this one for game trolling

Honestly, with the game being what it is, it's hard to distinguish between news and trolling from time to time.

If you want to bleed from the anus, go read sc on reddit.

[Greasy]

SQ42 confirmed not coming this year, direct from Croberts himself.

It just gets funnier and funnier.

Not even a little surprised by this. How late is this again? 3-4 years?

Did they even start working on SQ42 before last year?

[shockwave]

The new 3.2 release is a lot more stable. CIG still screws you by gladly taking your money for digital assets and then breaks access to those assets in the name of 'furthering development'. I've thrown a bit of money their way and have had hours of entertainment so I don't feel cheated in the least, but I've learned my lesson and won't toss a penny further until release.

[Seyiji]

The new 3.2 release is a lot more stable. CIG still screws you by gladly taking your money for digital assets and then breaks access to those assets in the name of 'furthering development'. I've thrown a bit of money their way and have had hours of entertainment so I don't feel cheated in the least, but I've learned my lesson and won't toss a penny further until release.

They're defiantly doing something on the performance front.

I get around 30 fps running around the base you wake up in running at 1440p. Changing graphics settings doesnt seem to do anything cause when i did it between the presets i still got the same performance.

Before its was a stutter fest and I barely got 10 fps if I was lucky.

[azalea]

maybe someone can start a new thread about the game and it's news and save this one for game trolling

Which would you file estimates and date stuff under?

[Napoleonic]

https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/s...o-get-refunds/

http://cogconnected.com/2018/07/star...ceive-refunds/

[Eisberg]

Everyone, but the plaintiff, knew he didn't stand a chance of winning this just because of the arbritration agreement alone. He should have gone to arbritration in the first place.

[Argoon1981]

I will never ever give money to this, not because i think it will never come or is a scam (i have no evidence of that) but because of the "circus" around it, never before I seen a game cause so much heated discussions online, more i read about it, the more i read the flaming online, the more makes it feel like a cult, also the amount of money being wasted on a game is staggering to me.

[bill dennison]

I will never ever give money to this, not because i think it will never come or is a scam (i have no evidence of that) but because of the "circus" around it, never before I seen a game cause so much heated discussions online, more i read about it, the more i read the flaming online, the more makes it feel like a cult, also the amount of money being wasted on a game is staggering to me.

has it passed 500 million yet ?

https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/568...evelop-promote



I gave them 60 bucks day one and that was it till it is done

[Argoon1981]

has it passed 500 million yet ?

https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/568...evelop-promote

Ok that i didn't knew! But for my defence I explained me wrong, what I should have said was, the amount of money being wasted on a promise of a game, a game that we don't know if will ever come out or come out has promised.
I also need to mention that imo, that is not the same thing has money being spent on a kickstarter game, the majority if not all of those 500 million is publisher investment, so that game has a pretty good chance to come out, publishers don't like wasting money, so when they spend large amounts of money they only do it, when they know the risk is very minimal.
On the other end, a kickstarter game has a huge risk attached to it, has no guarantee that it will ever come, is all based in faith and trust, to me that makes it "feel" different, also this is people investing (wasting) money not to gain a larger compensation later, like publishers do but people investing money on a game (and i'm talking about those spending huge amounts on nothing but virtual ships) were the only compensation they will ever get is to waste time playing it, if that for those people is compensation enough for so much money spent for me is certainly not.

Btw I also don't believe those 500 million were spent or are being spent, i don't follow that game, on the development of the game alone, i'm sure that figure has marketing and merchandising on it, those are very expensive, but point taken.

[Napoleonic]

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...0-million-game

[Eisberg]

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...0-million-game

Arbitration clause was in the version 1.1 of the TOS, which released in 2013. So the article claiming it didn't show up before 2015 is wrong.


Also looks like he wouldn't have been entitled to a refund anyways

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[Eisberg]

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[Johnmcl7]

has it passed 500 million yet ?

https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/568...evelop-promote



I gave them 60 bucks day one and that was it till it is done

That 500 million figure has always been a very vague one with no breakdown on what it actually is, the most plausible assumption is that it's a lifetime budget to cover the entire ten year span of Destiny games. In fairness to Bungie and Destiny, while the Destiny games have issues they have actually successfully released games and as unpopular as Eververse is, it doesn't rely on people spending thousands of pounds on items.

It's also worth bearing in mind that despite those costs Destiny is a much more basic and conventional game.

Eisberg - good summary video, a lot of very pretty footage there.

[globalist]

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The question is not really whether it's a scam. The question is is it a kickstarter game that's being developed competently, and with resposibility to the backers?

[logical]

The answer is no.

[JohnnyFlash]

Just a reminder that the Freespace source code project is version 3.8.0 now.


While you wait...

[Napoleonic]

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[nutcrackr]

Motion to Dismiss is DENIED

4.5 out of 6 parts were denied.

Exclusive use of the engine and punitive damages were granted in favor of Croberts

Breach of contract, copyright infringement, monetary damages, attorney fees, injunctive relief, allegations in paragraph 15 were all DENIED in favor of Crytek

https://www.docdroid.net/K7ugdJo/cry...80.pdf#page=22

We going to court BOYS and Crytek can ask Croberts to stop selling the game.

[logical]

Get ready for more ships! This has got to get paid for by someone.

[Napoleonic]

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[Eisberg]

Motion to Dismiss is DENIED

4.5 out of 6 parts were denied.

Exclusive use of the engine and punitive damages were granted in favor of Croberts

Breach of contract, copyright infringement, monetary damages, attorney fees, injunctive relief, allegations in paragraph 15 were all DENIED in favor of Crytek

https://www.docdroid.net/K7ugdJo/cry...80.pdf#page=22

We going to court BOYS and Crytek can ask Croberts to stop selling the game.

Actually the correct sentence is "Motion to dismiss is denied in part, and granted in part"

I knew the whole "exclusive" part was completely absurd on Crytek's part. I knew they were trying to redefine the word to mean something than what it actually means in these kinds of contracts.

I highly doubt we will ever see this actually going to court, I fully expect a settlement and will will never know what that settlement is.

Get ready for more ships! This has got to get paid for by someone.

Saw this on Reddit.
New Ship: Flying Court House
New Professions: Lawyers and Judges
New gameplay system: Jury notices. You can get a Jury notice, and if you do not show up you get fined a lot of UEC and a bounty on your head. If you do show up, you get 1 UEC paid to you for every 15 minutes you serve on the Jury.

[Napoleonic]

Exclusivity still in effect, the judge stated it based on the point 2.4

[Eisberg]

Exclusivity still in effect, the judge stated it based on the point 2.4

Nope. She did not. That is misrepresenting what he actually said.

She only stated there "May support Crytek's theory of breach of contract", not that there is a breach of contract, and 2.4 has nothing to do with exclusivity at all. It is a question of whether CIG stating they are using Lumberyard and having the logos on their website is enough in calling it "promoting" a competing engine.

The fact that Crytek didn't even bother including 2.4 in their lawsuit for promoting a competing engine, suggest that Crytek lawyers know it wouldn't hold up or it it isn't even worth it.

But the fact remains, Crytek tried to be absurd in redefining a word and they just got told "no, you cannot do that"

[nutcrackr]

CIG offered to settle before and Crytek said nope.

They'll go into discovery to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, but their finances probably won't go public. I really really hope their finances go public.

[Eisberg]

CIG offered to settle before and Crytek said nope.

They'll go into discovery to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, but their finances probably won't go public. I really really hope their finances go public.

Well, this Granted/Denial of the MTD may or may not changed their mind on settling. They might have said no before because they wanted to see what the Judge has to say about the MTD.

In that same meeting, the one thing they did agree on is to have some stuff sealed, and that they would work together in requesting to have certain stuff sealed. I would not doubt that both finacials of both companies are going to be sealed if this goes to discovery.

[acroig]

Just to set Eisberg of...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...205688832.html

[Nunz]

I love how some birds in this thread sang the song of “Currie is completely off base and just money hungry!” And now it’s “well, Crytek will get Roberts to settle..”

Clearly Crytek has a case here if Roberts and co are willing to take a settlement.

[Eisberg]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...205688832.html

Quit reading after the first line. Clearly he is setting up to lie again when in his first line he doesn't even bother telling the truth by saying denied in part and granted in part.

Also , this ruling proves that guy has no idea what he is talking about with this lawsuit and that he was willing to lie. He was dead set on stating Cryteks definition of exclusive was the industry standard, yeah thst turned out to be complete BS by him.

[Eisberg]

I love how some birds in this thread sang the song of “Currie is completely off base and just money hungry!” And now it’s “well, Crytek will get Roberts to settle..”

Clearly Crytek has a case here if Roberts and co are willing to take a settlement.

It has been known that companies have been willing to settle because It was cheaper and faster than doing discovery and going to trial to win. So no, settlement is not an admission of guilt at all, often it is cheaper to settle even if you know you didn't do anything wrong.

[andino]

[Nunz]

It has been known that companies have been willing to settle because It was cheaper and faster than doing discovery and going to trial to win. So no, settlement is not an admission of guilt at all, often it is cheaper to settle even if you know you didn't do anything wrong.

I didn't say it was an admission of guilt. I said Crytek has a case if they're willing to settle since they aren't confident in a quick win.

Crytek is on to something. Whether it's really anything of worth is another discussion.

[logical]

Quit reading after the first line. Clearly he is setting up to lie again when in his first line he doesn't even bother telling the truth by saying denied in part and granted in part.

He clearly states it at the end in full and goes over everything.

[nutcrackr]

Well Croberts can blame it all on Crytek and move to Mexico

[Eisberg]

Crytek amended their complaint.

Removed the Exclusive part
Removed punitive damages
Added a complaint in regards to 2.4 specifically for promoting another engine. (nothing to do with exclusivity)



Here is a video from an actual lawyer, and not from that fake lawyer Derek Smart who seems to think he knows more than what real lawyers do.

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[andino]

Man, are we in 'fake news' territory?

[Eisberg]

Man, are we in 'fake news' territory?

From Derek Smart? yes.

From an an actual Tech lawyer who has experience in the relevant field that this lawsuit is about? No.

[andino]

From Derek Smart? yes.
.

This Derek Smart guy sounds like a troll.

That being said, there seems to be a lot of bad things happening to this game.

Are you a backer?

[Eisberg]

This Derek Smart guy sounds like a troll.

That being said, there seems to be a lot of bad things happening to this game.

Are you a backer?

Yes, I am a backer.
The development is taking way to long and it keeps increasing in scope, and they keep on selling more and more new ships for people to buy to use in the game when available. Current version of teh game is in a state of pre-alpha, so it has a ton of bugs in the pre-alpha, along with it being an unfinished game.
There is no release date for when it will be completed. That is the gist of the problems related to the project. Other than the lawsuit with Crytek.

[andino]

I thought that they had release dates but that they just kept missing them.

I get that if it is an indie and if it is their first rodeo but this is the guy that made Wing Commander. He should know better.