Chris Roberts Space Garage Simulator: Star Citizen

[nutcrackr]

They are angry that freyermuth was mentioned.

the person writing that was really angry in general, using bold typeface and common terms.

[Eisberg]

They are angry that freyermuth was mentioned.

the person writing that was really angry in general, using bold typeface and common terms.

Apparently it is a serious accusation to make against a Lawyer, something that can't be taken lightly.

I don't think the bold typeface/common terms is a sign of anger, but rather emphasizing the important parts.
Also I doubt the Lawyer at FKKS would be "angry", they have no reason to be.
But maybe it is more of a tone of "This is moronically stupid that this lawsuit even exists in the first place" type attitude.

[Napoleonic]

[logical]

Cant steal ships for your fleet cause you need to buy them. $$$

[Eisberg]

Cant steal ships for your fleet cause you need to buy them. $$$

when the game releases you can buy all the ships with in game money you earn in the game, or earned with in the game if they are not for sell (like finding them, rewarded for completing something)

I can see why they are doing that with theft, because of the insurance it leaves a crap ton of room to exploit the system. Have your ship "stolen" and then make an insurance claim on it. Next thing you know you there is a whole new gold selling industry done through "stealing" ships and then making an insurance claim.

Looking at the big picture this really makes a whole lot of sense.

[logical]

when the game releases you can buy all the ships with in game money you earn in the game, or earned with in the game if they are not for sell (like finding them, rewarded for completing something)

I can see why they are doing that with theft, because of the insurance it leaves a crap ton of room to exploit the system. Have your ship "stolen" and then make an insurance claim on it. Next thing you know you there is a whole new gold selling industry done through "stealing" ships and then making an insurance claim.

Looking at the big picture this really makes a whole lot of sense.

Dont have to go as far as looking at the "big picture". Just have to follow the money.

[Eisberg]

Dont have to go as far as looking at the "big picture". Just have to follow the money.

It is to early to say what it takes to earn the ships SC, heck it is a very long grind to earn the ships in Elite Dangerous and there is no "follow the money there" for that reason to have such a long grind.

Even people on Elite Dangerous forums talked about stealing ships in Elite Dangerous forums, and it was even brought up about insurance fraud and the potential risk to the in game economy if it was allowed.

So I disagree, this has nothing to do with "follow the money" and more about them making a smart decision given other systems with in the game that could lead to a massive exploit that would be hard to govern.

At least they are still giving the ability to steal ships, instead of completely ignoring it like they did with Elite Dangerous.

What I said makes the most logical sense when you look at the big picture.
I could see stealing ships work if there was no insurance, meaning when you lost your ship that was it, hopefully you have enough money to completely replace it at 100% of the costs.

[Eisberg]

So I found the thread that Napoleonic's picture came from, literally came from a thread asking about Insurance and cheating, about the very problem I mentioned.
Read this for context
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/s...ing-the-system


Also it was talked about in November of last year as well
https://youtu.be/iS27ZLZDhO8?t=49m28s

[Napoleonic]

when the cultist doesn't even know about the full extend of complications regarding their own dreamed gameplay mechanics

You think it's only about insurance, huh?

[Eisberg]

Chris Roberts in January 2015 on this thieving subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzPb...tu.be&t=16m31s

To put it short he talks about things they are thinking about, and he talks about how things will get adjusted as development goes on to try and make everything fun and fair as much as possible.

IMO, with what he know right now it is the right decision, it prevents abuse of the system while still keeping on that fun of the act of stealing ships.

[Higgy10]

enough of the cultist crap, childish insults etc. It may have been entertaining a year ago but its getting super annoying now. Act like civilized adults(is that possible?) or take a vacation, the choice is yours.

[curio]

The next person here to start talking about cultists will enjoy a nice long vacation

You've been warned

[daPhoenix]

[globalist]

Why no more videos from this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4...able_polymer=1

[logical]

Why no more videos from this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4...able_polymer=1

No clue but I was waiting for them.

[Eisberg]

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[Eisberg]

So this was taken out of context, watch this video to learn more

https://youtu.be/gmtpMCh97D0?t=7m53s

They do want you to be able to steal and keep the ships, but they want the pirate to have to jump through hoops to keep it. Nothing is nailed down yet to how it is going to work, but they do want piracy to be a career with the ability to keep the ships.

[Eisberg]

Hearing for the Motion to Dismiss is canceled tomorrow. The Judge is saying that no oral arguments are needed for her to make a decision.

(IN CHAMBERS) ORDER by Judge Dolly M. Gee: The Court finds that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss the First Amended Complaint or Claims for Relief Therein or, in the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement and to Strike Certain Portions of the First Amended Complaint (FRCP 12(B)(6), 12(E) & 12(f))19 presently scheduled for hearing on February 9, 2018, is appropriate for decision without oral argument. Fed. R. Civ. P. 78(b); C.D. L.R. 7-15. Accordingly, the motion is taken UNDER SUBMISSION and the hearing is vacated. IT IS SO ORDERED. THERE IS NO PDF DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ENTRY. (kti) TEXT ONLY ENTRY

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...mes_Corp_et_al

Not sure how long she has before she needs to submit her decision.

[nutcrackr]

I thought she was going to RULE on the thing on the 9th. Turns out it could be days and weeks before we hear something. No wonder cases drag out for an eternity.

[nutcrackr]

court date might be july 2019 WTF

Crytek want financials, CIG said NOPE.
CIG also asked how much they want to settle for, Crytek said NOPE.

[acroig]

CIG also asked how much they want to settle for, Crytek said NOPE.

Cue Dr. Evil voice: "ONE BILLION DOLLARS!"

[Eisberg]

court date might be july 2019 WTF

Crytek want financials, CIG said NOPE.
CIG also asked how much they want to settle for, Crytek said NOPE.

That was just one example (finacials) CIG used of what Crytek wants and have no real reason to have them,but they said there were other things as well. CIG basically stated Crytek isn't going to get anything till after the MTD is ruled on, and the lawsuit is made more clear on what Crytek is suing for exactly.

Also Crytek stated they are willing to settle, and when CIG asked the follow up question, which is a logical question, of how much, Crytek refused to say.
When CIG asked them why they needed certain information, Crytek only answered with "Obvious reasons", when CIG asked them to spell it out regardless Crytek wouldn't answer.

I swear the more and more Crytek talks, the more and more their position looks even more absurd.

[logical]

I missed this thread

[Seyiji]

This game grinds my hard drive worst than a crying stripper.

Like holy crap. Also the performance is super poop. I hope Vulkan changes things.

[aviphysics]

This game grinds my hard drive worst than a crying stripper.

Like holy crap. Also the performance is super poop. I hope Vulkan changes things.

Performance issues for multiplayer are server side. They need to get the new "Netcode" out to fix multiplayer performance.

[Napoleonic]

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[globalist]

LOL, I was already unsubscibed from those, thinking the guy had been shut up by CR.

[ASCI Blue]

Crytek is about to be embarrassed pretty quick.

1. Part of the complaint was dismissed.
2. Now Crytek will be forced to tell CIG how much they want and CIG will be forced to hack up financials. Wish I could read the various things filed.

[Eisberg]

Crytek is about to be embarrassed pretty quick.

1. Part of the complaint was dismissed.
2. Now Crytek will be forced to tell CIG how much they want and CIG will be forced to hack up financials. Wish I could read the various things filed.

Link for what was dismissed?

[nutcrackr]

I don't think anything has been dismissed yet? Where are u getting that info ASCI Blue?

[nutcrackr]

You can read what Crytek want here: https://www.docdroid.net/uMDHWEY/dis...lan.pdf#page=6

Basically funding, structure, marketing, details on games

It's a joint filling and it makes it pretty clear the different types of responses from both parties.

Crytek say:

Crytek declines to respond in this Joint Report to the Defendants' lengthy and abusive statement of position set forth infra

Haha CIG are abusive in nearly half of the report

[Eisberg]

You can read what Crytek want here: https://www.docdroid.net/uMDHWEY/dis...lan.pdf#page=6

Basically funding, structure, marketing, details on games

It's a joint filling and it makes it pretty clear the different types of responses from both parties.

Crytek say:


Haha CIG are abusive in nearly half of the report

They aren't abusive at all. The problem is Cryteks position is absurd, and you really can't treat something that is absurd as anything else but absurd.


Anyways, CIG filed for a protective order pending the resolution for motion to dismiss, yesterday.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...mes_Corp_et_al

[Napoleonic]

Cig finally confirmed that the whole KS campaign materials were made by crytek the KS money begging event was based on a lie.

[Eisberg]

Cig finally confirmed that the whole KS campaign materials were made by crytek the KS money begging event was based on a lie.

Source? 100% of it? So Crytek made the plans for the game, they created the idea, they created what the games were going to be about, they created what the game was going to be, they did the artwork, the concept art? All of Star Citizen was their idea? Or did they just do some videos based on all the art/planning that Chris Roberts and others did to get ready for the crowdfunding campaign?

You are saying that Chris Roberts started up Cloud Imperium and hired a few people a year before the crowd funding campaign was just to sit around and do nothing, because Crytek was doing 100% of everything, including the planning.

Or is it more likely that Chris Roberts was in pre-development planning going on before the campaign? Getting the company ready, get some concept art going, get some plans going on what the game was going to be about, plan out strategies for the kickstarter, figure out what the game play was going to be like. But no, instead you want to believe that Crytek did everything, that Chris Roberts did absolutely nothing for a year and that the whole Star Citizen and Squadron 42 ideas, planning, what the games were going to be like, the game play, starting up the company, all of that was done by Crytek.

Kindgom Come developers consider their development time was 4 years, even though they started to work on the game in 2009, started up the company in 2011, and started to work on a prototype to get investors to actually make the game. So did they lie when they are saying 4 years development, or are they only talking about the full on development once they secured funding and not counting the 5 years prior, the planning, the proto-type development, concept art work, that was all done to get investors/publishers to fund the development of the game?


Nah, nobody lied, just people taking things out of context for their agenda and nothing more.

and by the way, Crytek didn't even specifically state what they did, so anybody saying that Crytek did it all is nothing more than assumptions.
And Chris specifically stated what he has been working on in the video of the Kickstarter, you will need to prove that he did absolutely nothing for the game, did no planning, did not come up with the concept, did not come up with what the gameplay was going to be like, did not come up with designs, did not create his company in 2011. You would need to prove that Crytek basically came to Chris Roberts and gave him all this material, gave him the CIG company under his name, gave him the game concept, what the game play was going to be like, came up with all the concept art, did the prior planning, you would need to prove that Crytek did 100% of everything and that Chris Roberts did exactly zero things from 2011 to 2012 to get ready for the full on game development and getting the funding. Good luck on proving all of that.

[ALien8ed]

3.1 PTU released.

[ASCI Blue]

Link for what was dismissed?

From the one you posted: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...mes_Corp_et_al

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textonly Text Only Scheduling Notice Thu 9:59 AM
(IN CHAMBERS) ORDER by Judge Dolly M. Gee: The Court finds that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss the First Amended Complaint or Claims for Relief Therein or, in the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement and to Strike Certain Portions of the First Amended Complaint (FRCP 12(B)(6), 12(E) & 12(f))19 presently scheduled for hearing on February 9, 2018, is appropriate for decision without oral argument. Fed. R. Civ. P. 78(b); C.D. L.R. 7-15. Accordingly, the motion is taken UNDER SUBMISSION and the hearing is vacated. IT IS SO ORDERED. THERE IS NO PDF DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ENTRY. (kti) TEXT ONLY ENTRY

[acroig]

It would be so much better if we could talk about the game we all wanted to play rather than a crappy lawsuit, no?

[Eisberg]

From the one you posted: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...mes_Corp_et_al

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textonly Text Only Scheduling Notice Thu 9:59 AM
(IN CHAMBERS) ORDER by Judge Dolly M. Gee: The Court finds that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss the First Amended Complaint or Claims for Relief Therein or, in the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement and to Strike Certain Portions of the First Amended Complaint (FRCP 12(B)(6), 12(E) & 12(f))19 presently scheduled for hearing on February 9, 2018, is appropriate for decision without oral argument. Fed. R. Civ. P. 78(b); C.D. L.R. 7-15. Accordingly, the motion is taken UNDER SUBMISSION and the hearing is vacated. IT IS SO ORDERED. THERE IS NO PDF DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ENTRY. (kti) TEXT ONLY ENTRY

Only the court appearance to argue about whether the complaint should be dismissed or not has vacated. The Judge feels she has enough information to make her decision on the Motion to Dismiss without having to hear oral arguments from either side in court. We are still waiting for her decision to find out of the complaint will be dismissed in whole, in part, or none at all.

[Destroy]

It would be so much better if we could talk about the game we all wanted to play rather than a crappy lawsuit, no?

tru.dat

Due to the constant banter and harping surrounding this game, by the time it comes out, I will have lost most interest about it.

[nutcrackr]

the lawsuit is the game