Chris Roberts Space Garage Simulator: Star Citizen

[aviphysics]

What makes him a waste of time is that he bends the truth and picks and chooses his facts to fit his argument.

Saying that he makes some valid points is like saying that a raisin in a pile of mouse turds is still a raisin. Technicaly correct but I wouldn't just go ahead and swallow it.

[aviphysics]

A guy from my SC Org went on a tour of CiG Santa Monica (he talks about it on the Versecast podcast).

He said they do a monthly tour at the different studios. You just have to send CiG an E-mail and request a tour.

[Greasy]

This looks awesome! I'm still not giving them a penny until they release squadron 42.

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[acroig]

I'm still not giving them a penny until they release squadron 42.

Same here.

[Dungeoncrawler]

any date yet on squadron 42?

[Greasy]

any date yet on squadron 42?

Not that I actually expect this to be released this year.

Squadron 42 is a single player campaign that takes place within the Star Citizen universe. It can be played off-line.[1] Squadron 42 will be released in episodes, the first of which will become available in late 2015.[source?] The gameplay of the first episode will last for 70 hours

http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Squadron_42

[aviphysics]

They have said late 2015 before, but it is really impossible to know.

A lot of their major blockers for the FPS module are related to multiplayer stuff, so it is possible that the single player SQ42 campaign isn't going to be delayed too much, but it really wouldn't surprise me if it was delayed as much as a year. I really wouldn't mind if it was released along side nVidia's next gen cards, as that is when I plan to get my next GPU.

[SirBaron]

Looks pretty good but they haven't removed the same jankyness that I had when I worked with Cryengine 2.

[aviphysics]

Looks pretty good but they haven't removed the same jankyness that I had when I worked with Cryengine 2.

That might be new jankyness, as my understanding is that they have pretty much completely rewritten the code for character animations and large parts of other stuff.

[SirBaron]

That might be new jankyness, as and ship understanding is that they have pretty much completely rewritten the code for character animations and large parts of other stuff.

Was talking about the way the stuff moves about like turrets and ship movement has the same jankyness I've come to expect from cryengine.

[aviphysics]

What does "jankeyness" specifically mean in this context?

[kboye]

Was wondering the same thing. Tweened motion? Jitter?

[SoCalMX70]

What does "jankyness" mean in ANY context?

[ThirdEye]

People with internet asking questions

[nutcrackr]

I think the jankyness here means the lack of smooth transitions during animations, like when characters turn or move.

[DaJMasta]

I always thought jank was just sort of generalized shoddy workmanship including glitches, hitches, strange bugs, awkward controls, etc.


Anyways, it's good to see they're still making progress. They promised a huge amount of content and things to do and while I don't think they're close to it, they are certainly progressing. I was sort of over the hype before the first module was launched (and I'm a backer), so I'm not paying that close attention to the overall progress and little updates until they actually have a finished product to ship.


It does look nice, but the first module looked nice.... it's just a bit more of it now. While a lot of the things you can do in trailers look neat and comprehensive, I don't feel like a lot of them look particularly fun, they just look pretty and interesting. I guess I'm not 100% sold on the game part of it yet.

[aviphysics]

People with internet asking questions

It seems like he means that it is janky in some very specific way and I am curious what that is.

[SoCalMX70]

People with internet asking questions

Oh Urban Dictionary... seems legit.

[SirBaron]

The way the ships strafe, exact replica of how they strafe in crisis hoping that changes, the way the turret weapons jitter about as you move them. It's all minor nitpick but as I've worked on a space sim in cryengine it's stuff that I instantly see.

Nitpicks, there's much more I can criticise like lack of squadron 42.

I own this "game" so got a good reason to criticise.

[AluminumHaste]

Was it you that was working on X32i? Space sim in Cryengine? I remember it being quite awesome.

[Seyiji]

Was it you that was working on X32i? Space sim in Cryengine? I remember it being quite awesome.

Yes twas him that made the beast.

[bittermann]

I have no horse in this race so bare with me. These types of games are huge and take typically anywhere from 5-7 years to make don't they? Then they still need constant updating. I think they started sometime in 2012 so if that's the case isn't all the griping a little premature even though they put out a ridiculous release date? Common sense says these types of games take a lot of time to create and get stable?

[aviphysics]

The way the ships strafe, exact replica of how they strafe in crisis hoping that changes, the way the turret weapons jitter about as you move them. It's all minor nitpick but as I've worked on a space sim in cryengine it's stuff that I instantly see.

Nitpicks, there's much more I can criticise like lack of squadron 42.

I own this "game" so got a good reason to criticise.

Not sure what is wrong with the way the ships strafe (I play AC about once a week, so I would like to think I would have noticed), but I am pretty sure they rewrote large portions of the physics engine. It could be a problem with the new code, but I doubt it is a CE specific problem.

[badboy]

I have no horse in this race so bare with me. These types of games are huge and take typically anywhere from 5-7 years to make don't they? Then they still need constant updating. I think they started sometime in 2012 so if that's the case isn't all the griping a little premature even though they put out a ridiculous release date? Common sense says these types of games take a lot of time to create and get stable?

You are completely right.

But kids want their candy now!
They paid lots of money and they want the devs to take their magic wand and wish the game into existence

[SirBaron]

You are completely right.

But kids want their candy now!
They paid lots of money and they want the devs to take their magic wand and wish the game into existence

Damn right I do!

I want my $20 worth!

[DaJMasta]

I have no horse in this race so bare with me. These types of games are huge and take typically anywhere from 5-7 years to make don't they? Then they still need constant updating. I think they started sometime in 2012 so if that's the case isn't all the griping a little premature even though they put out a ridiculous release date? Common sense says these types of games take a lot of time to create and get stable?

The over-zealousness of their proposed release schedule, from the beginning, was encouraging this, for sure. I think a big part of why people are so impatient (aside from people just often being that way...) is how much money they've been milked for and the ridiculious level of monetization that the game has (especially given its current state)

[AluminumHaste]

is how much money they've been milked for and the ridiculious level of monetization that the game has (especially given its current state)

Which they knew when they plopped the money down. It wasn't even a game yet when they threw millions at C R.
Usually at that point you don't even hear about the game, usually not until a game has been developed for a few years, THEN devs/publishers announce something. So it's their own fault, have some god damn patience.

[badboy]

Derek smart keeps on going and going

Smart Enlists Legal Team, Threatens Class-Action Lawsuit

In the latest salvo fired across the bow of the Roberts Space Industries' ship, Derek Smart has hired the legal firm of De La Pena & Holiday LLP that has sent a letter demanding, among other things, immediate refunds to all parties requesting them regardless of Terms of Service restriction, a forensic accounting of the fund-raising activities of RSI along with a completion date for Star Citizen. All these are demanded via the letter "to avoid legal action" on behalf of Derek Smart.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/883/view/news/read/36059/Star-Citizen-Smart-Enlists-Legal-Team-Threatens-ClassAction-Lawsuit.html

[aviphysics]

Lol. How the hell would they even be able to have a completion date if they gave all the money back. This guy is so obviously just a jack%$@.

[Eisberg]

Derek smart keeps on going and going



http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...n-Lawsuit.html

Someone needs to pull the Duracell Batteries out of Derek "Duckface" Smart's ass. The guy is obviously jealous of Roberts. Roberts actually knows how to make good games.

[A2597]

This and Elite Dangerous both really appeal to me... but I know they will suck my life away. So I find myself tempted by X:Rebirth, which I hear has gotten much better with the additional releases from Egosoft...

[Arrowhead]

Derek smart keeps on going and going



http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...n-Lawsuit.html

They shouldn't have refunded his **** like that. They could have really opened up a can of worms with such a hasty move regardless of what you think of Smart. Best thing to have done would have been to just ignore him...

[aviphysics]

It is in the terms that they can do it. Seems totally fare to me. Just like a resteraunt booting you out for being a jack%$@ to the staff. Last I checked, the Constitution didn't offer any special protections for jack%$@ Americans, unless being a jack%$@ is your religion.

[Napoleonic]

They shouldn't have refunded his **** like that. They could have really opened up a can of worms with such a hasty move regardless of what you think of Smart. Best thing to have done would have been to just ignore him...

I read it somewhere that it actually the best thing to do, since technically smartass no longer have legal position to play the victim.

[Arrowhead]

It is in the terms that they can do it. Seems totally fare to me. Just like a resteraunt booting you out for being a jack%$@ to the staff. Last I checked, the Constitution didn't offer any special protections for jack%$@ Americans, unless being a jack%$@ is your religion.

So if someone wants their money back, all they have to do is act like a jackass?

What did Chris Roberts gain by issuing a refund to Smart? Did it shut him up? Nope... It just brought the issue front and center. I hadn't even heard Smart was saying anything until people started talking about how he received a refund.

Either offer refunds to people who ask for them, or don't offer them at all and carry on with life.

[Eisberg]

Derek "Duckface" Smart started his crap campaign before he got the refund. He was using his status as a backer to gain some validity to his campaign. Roberts didn't like how he was using that as part of his campaign, so he gave him a refund to kick him out of the backer program.

Before when he was a backer he could do some legal work against Chris Roberts and at the very least waste Roberts time and money on a frivolous lawsuit. But now that he is no longer a backer, "Duckface" Smart has to rely on other backers to join in on the class action lawsuit.

[aviphysics]

So if someone wants their money back, all they have to do is act like a jackass?

What did Chris Roberts gain by issuing a refund to Smart? Did it shut him up? Nope... It just brought the issue front and center. I hadn't even heard Smart was saying anything until people started talking about how he received a refund.

Either offer refunds to people who ask for them, or don't offer them at all and carry on with life.

They will work with people to offer refunds where possible. For financial reasons (e.g. the ability to show solid income in order to obtain a lease and just because the money is being spent) they can't guarantee the availability refunds for everyone.

Refunding DS gives them a greater right to exclude him from their forums and social services and otherwise ignore him.

BTW, DS was drawing plenty of attention before the refund.

[logical]

Derek "Duckface" Smart started his crap campaign before he got the refund. He was using his status as a backer to gain some validity to his campaign. Roberts didn't like how he was using that as part of his campaign, so he gave him a refund to kick him out of the backer program.

Before when he was a backer he could do some legal work against Chris Roberts and at the very least waste Roberts time and money on a frivolous lawsuit. But now that he is no longer a backer, "Duckface" Smart has to rely on other backers to join in on the class action lawsuit.

He started his campaign before he got the refund but no one knows for sure if he was using it for publicity of his own game(which is **** btw) They gave him a refund and stated that as the reason for giving Smart a refund. Probably had to give a good reason to give him a refund so he wont officially be a part of the kickstarter anymore. That way when people who legitimately want a refund want one they say they cant.

Honestly I think he should just keep the pressure(at the expense of looking like a jealous bitch) on them just so they will be more accountable for the time frame of the product they are supposed to deliver.

[aviphysics]

I have never heard of CiG denying a refund. They just refuse to guarantee a refund.

[nutcrackr]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2015/10/01/report-star-citizen-is-almost-out-of-cash-and-chris-roberts-insatiable-ambition-is-to-blame/

Almost out of cash lol. Nine independent and "verified" sources are saying there are troubles.

Here are the comments from sources

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

"We were always building towards the next event," CS4 stated. "It wasn't about making a game. it was about a flashy demo for Gamescom, or PAX, or the next commercial. It never felt like they were trying to make a game, as much as digital spaceships to sell."

"The thing I noticed when I started was that we were making commercials. We weren't making a game," CS2 said. "It was all about what was on the screen behind [Roberts] during the presentation."

"I'm guessing something will come out," CS3 said. "What format or who will publish it, I don't know. I think it's unlikely that CIG will put something out. They will be bought, or some angel investor will come in. I just really don't see them coming out with anything as they are. They need to be bailed out."