Chris Roberts Space Garage Simulator: Star Citizen

[yoz]

yeah 'cause paying more for just the final product is smarter than paying less and getting to taste the product much earlier

Why would i want a taste of some alpha bug ridden pre release product to save ten bucks? Or some shiny garage. I rather spend my time playing other, complete, games in the mean time, and whenever this thing gets released, buy it if turns out good enough.

[Redeemed]

Why would i want a taste of some alpha bug ridden pre release product to save ten bucks? Or some shiny garage. I rather spend my time playing other, complete, games in the mean time, and whenever this thing gets released, buy it if turns out good enough.

What's the game going to go for after it's released? $60 like most AAA titles upon launch?

I've only paid $35 thus far. That's a massive discount assuming the final product launches for $60. Not only that, being an early backer means some form of influence on the direction of game development. If you like what you're seeing pledge more, if you don't like what you've seen don't pledge anything additional. That's what I'm doing. I've not seen any news that has inspired me to pledge more money, so I'm content with the $35 I've invested thus far. As development progresses if they release information that intrigues me greatly, I may opt to pledge more money in the form of purchasing a better ship, or purchasing upgrades for my current ship, etc.

You cannot do that with just purchasing the final product. But ultimately it boils down to personal preference. You have yours, I have mine, and others have theirs. To each their own, live and let live. You've not seen anything from SC that has inspired you to make a pledge- that's fair and reasonable. Others have found the value and have pledged accordingly.

Not sure why you get so easily wound up by other people's preferences when they differ from your own. Probably explains why in most of your posts you come across as at least mildly upset or irritated.

[Cyko]

Yeah, with all the money and all the studios they are doing business with, you would think they should be able to crank out some really good content ON THE SIDE, WHILE they finish the game.

I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed right now in this, spent a lot of money on this garage simulator.

I did too buddy. I had almost 2k sunk in it until they put out the OR update, at which time I asked for and received a refund for all but my super hornet package. The incredibly poor implementation of such a simple thing was the final straw. Maybe I'll spend more later after they show some significant (I mean SUPER significant) progress but for now I've lost hope.

I believe in results, not hype. From the delays on nearly everything to only showing off near "finished" work to not even having the damn merlin in the Connie finished I got over it. They have how many ships on the specs page (which hasn't been updated since October 13) and how many available to.... sit in... in the hangar? I mean c'mon.

[acroig]

Not sure why you get so easily wound up by other people's preferences when they differ from your own.

It's a French thing.

[Napoleonic]

well this is nice, the 1st monthly summary from CiG for those who don't or can't follow every news about star citizen 24/7

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13610-Monthly-Report-February-2014

[badboy]

well this is nice, the 1st monthly summary from CiG for those who don't or can't follow every news about star citizen 24/7

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/c...-February-2014

Yeap I loved it. I look at some things from time to time but its too much to go through it all so this is perfect!

The attention to detail is mindblowing

[aviphysics]

well this is nice, the 1st monthly summary from CiG for those who don't or can't follow every news about star citizen 24/7

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/c...-February-2014

Nice.

Thinking about their burn rate... Estimating 212 employees at an average of $100,000/year for salary plus overhead (IMO a low estimate), they are spending around $20 million a year. Chris Roberts must have some serious balls to be burning money that fast.

[bill dennison]

Nice.

Thinking about their burn rate... Estimating 212 employees at an average of $100,000/year for salary plus overhead (IMO a low estimate), they are spending around $20 million a year. Chris Roberts must have some serious balls to be burning money that fast.

then they will run out by the end of the year since they are just about to 40 million

well there should be little pirating when it comes out everyone will already have paid

[SirBaron]

If anyone thinks all of those staff ESPECIALLy freelance staff are getting 100k a year, they are on some insane dream.

[aviphysics]

If anyone thinks all of those staff ESPECIALLy freelance staff are getting 100k a year, they are on some insane dream.

That is assuming a salary of $50,000/year + benefits, office space, and other associated costs. Some staff will get more and others less. I imagine that some of the people at the top probably take home a lot more and compensate for the people at the bottom. BTW, I don't know why so many of you just assume that the cost of an employee is little more than their salary. Also, here is a link to the wikipedia article on video game programmer average salaries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_programmer#Salary. The study they quote gives an average number of $95,000 not including benefits and overhead, which can normally be estimated by doubling the base salary.

There wasn't any indication of what percent of staff are part time or working as free interns. I would guess that it is less than half, but there isn't any way for us to know.

[v3rninater]

Check it out

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[aviphysics]

then they will run out by the end of the year since they are just about to 40 million

well there should be little pirating when it comes out everyone will already have paid

Well, not necessarily. For starters, we don't know when who was hired or when they acquired the office space etc. The estimate would only apply going forward. So for all we know, they have only burned some fraction of $20 million for the first year and have over $30 million left over.

Additionally, as long as people keep dumping money in, they won't run out. The gamble is whether or not the well runs dry before they finish.

[SirBaron]

Also not all of them are programmers.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly optimistic about this project unlike some people, I only have 1 ship, and will not buy anymore than that.

[bill dennison]

Well, not necessarily. For starters, we don't know when who was hired or when they acquired the office space etc. The estimate would only apply going forward. So for all we know, they have only burned some fraction of $20 million for the first year and have over $30 million left over.

Additionally, as long as people keep dumping money in, they won't run out. The gamble is whether or not the well runs dry before they finish.

well it is a year and a half since I dropped my first 60 buck into this, so with office space and top line hardware and all
it would not surprise me if they have burned over half of the 40 mill unless they went like the first year with just a few people

I can wait but some people are already getting antsy and by the end of this year more will and by september 14 at the 3 year point they may hit a wall for people to keep throwing money at them

[SirBaron]

I imagine they will have content released by the end of this year. I think people have unrealistic expectations of how long it takes to make a game. it's not even been 2 years, which 2 years in it self is nothing.

I've tried making a space sim on the Cryengine, the Cry in the engine part at least was truth.

[vertual]

They got the new Texas office around Christmas 2013, as they were working over the holidays moving everything over to the new offices. Before that, everyone was in a house, so they couldn't grow. They have had the Santa Monica office for maybe 6 months prior(?).

Now that they have moved in, in Texas, they can set up the motion capture studio and the audio studio, they have plenty of room for people to come on board (artists, coders, designers, etc.)

I think the Santa Monica office is just a show piece/marketing place where the ideas and decisions come from.

It takes a lot of time and money to make a AAA game, and it can be done for $40 million if they tried, but I don't see them making a studio to make Star Citizen/Squadron 42, I see them going all-in making a studio that will make the next 4 sequels and whatever side-projects they want to work on. A new Valve, if you will, that also has the ability to offer state-of-the-art motion capture to not only the games industry, but to the television/movie industries.

If they play their cards right, they could be the next Rockstar or Valve, but in a new unique way.

or:

[Breaking News]Chris Roberts just bought a $75 million estate in Central California. Claims: "I'm Goin' Prospecting! Pew Pew Pew! Yee Haw!"

[Redeemed]

I imagine they will have content released by the end of this year. I think people have unrealistic expectations of how long it takes to make a game. it's not even been 2 years, which 2 years in it self is nothing.

I've tried making a space sim on the Cryengine, the Cry in the engine part at least was truth.

In regards to people not realizing what is involved in making a AAA game, I think you're right. Part of SC's biggest problem is its visibility. From the very beginning it's been exposed. Before any real work on it had began, Chris got the word out. He had to because he alone couldn't fund this- he needed donations.

So because of that it's been visible from the very beginning. And you're right- 2 years is not that long for development. Especially when you consider the scope of what Chris intends to deliver. People have got to take into consideration the average development time for your standard AAA title. Isn't it 3-5 years, depending on the scope of the game? And Chris has been working on this for how long?

Personally I'm willing to give him a good half-decade. After 5 years of working on this the news and updates would likely be a lot more meatier. Right now they've had to essentially design from scratch functional ships, stations, etc. Watch some of the videos- the amount of thought and detail going into even the smallest of systems is beyond impressive imo.

However they have to be careful- and I really think they need to be honest with the public. It's easy to forget how long this should take if you aren't a developer or a programmer. So Chris should let his fans know that this will be a long journey and process. Give a realistic estimation of total development time... ~ 5 years? 3 years? 7 years? It is always better to under promise and over deliver imo. If he is upfront and honest with the public it can prevent a lot of disappointment and help keep that money coming in. That said at $40 million and growing they should have enough to fund this project, I'd think. I myself have only pledged $35 simply because I'm uncertain if they'll deliver on all that they promise to. But as the game starts taking shape if I like what I see I'm fully willing to unload my wallet for them. How many more are like me? Pledging a minimal amount to show interest and some support but are hesitant, yet if they like the progress shown will invest considerably more into the game? So it's not just new backers but even current ones they need to keep interested. They can help maintain that interest by being honest in how long this will take.

They got the new Texas office around Christmas 2013, as they were working over the holidays moving everything over to the new offices. Before that, everyone was in a house, so they couldn't grow. They have had the Santa Monica office for maybe 6 months prior(?).

Now that they have moved in, in Texas, they can set up the motion capture studio and the audio studio, they have plenty of room for people to come on board (artists, coders, designers, etc.)

I think the Santa Monica office is just a show piece/marketing place where the ideas and decisions come from.

It takes a lot of time and money to make a AAA game, and it can be done for $40 million if they tried, but I don't see them making a studio to make Star Citizen/Squadron 42, I see them going all-in making a studio that will make the next 4 sequels and whatever side-projects they want to work on. A new Valve, if you will, that also has the ability to offer state-of-the-art motion capture to not only the games industry, but to the television/movie industries.

If they play their cards right, they could be the next Rockstar or Valve, but in a new unique way.

or:

[Breaking News]Chris Roberts just bought a $75 million estate in Central California. Claims: "I'm Goin' Prospecting! Pew Pew Pew! Yee Haw!"

You bring up a very good point. They could be the next Valve if they play their cards right. Valve only really has the Half-Life series. That's it. That is essentially what got them going. Now look at them. If Chris pulls this off, he and crew could be setup for a profitable future.

[Cyko]

In regards to people not realizing what is involved in making a AAA game, I think you're right. Part of SC's biggest problem is its visibility. From the very beginning it's been exposed. Before any real work on it had began, Chris got the word out. He had to because he alone couldn't fund this- he needed donations.

So because of that it's been visible from the very beginning. And you're right- 2 years is not that long for development. Especially when you consider the scope of what Chris intends to deliver. People have got to take into consideration the average development time for your standard AAA title. Isn't it 3-5 years, depending on the scope of the game? And Chris has been working on this for how long?

Personally I'm willing to give him a good half-decade. After 5 years of working on this the news and updates would likely be a lot more meatier. Right now they've had to essentially design from scratch functional ships, stations, etc. Watch some of the videos- the amount of thought and detail going into even the smallest of systems is beyond impressive imo.

However they have to be careful- and I really think they need to be honest with the public. It's easy to forget how long this should take if you aren't a developer or a programmer. So Chris should let his fans know that this will be a long journey and process. Give a realistic estimation of total development time... ~ 5 years? 3 years? 7 years? It is always better to under promise and over deliver imo. If he is upfront and honest with the public it can prevent a lot of disappointment and help keep that money coming in. That said at $40 million and growing they should have enough to fund this project, I'd think. I myself have only pledged $35 simply because I'm uncertain if they'll deliver on all that they promise to. But as the game starts taking shape if I like what I see I'm fully willing to unload my wallet for them. How many more are like me? Pledging a minimal amount to show interest and some support but are hesitant, yet if they like the progress shown will invest considerably more into the game? So it's not just new backers but even current ones they need to keep interested. They can help maintain that interest by being honest in how long this will take.

The problem with what you said is they HAVE put a release date out there. If they would have pulled a "It's done when it's done" then the public would be more lenient. They didn't, they said 2015. I don't see any way they can make good on all the promises about the game if it's due out then without even the DFM released yet.

Edit:

Forgot to add, as you said he's a veteran developer, one of the old guard. The mistakes he's made so far are pretty amateurish for someone of his "stature".

[Redeemed]

The problem with what you said is they HAVE put a release date out there. If they would have pulled a "It's done when it's done" then the public would be more lenient. They didn't, they said 2015. I don't see any way they can make good on all the promises about the game if it's due out then without even the DFM released yet.

Edit:

Forgot to add, as you said he's a veteran developer, one of the old guard. The mistakes he's made so far are pretty amateurish for someone of his "stature".

I agree 100% which is why I said what I did. But I don't feel as worried because I haven't invested nearly as much as you had. So naturally when the delays arrise I wont be worried as I personally expect them.

I don't understand why he ever said 2015. Granted, the end of 2015 still gives them almost two full years from now (all of 2014 + the better part of 2015), in addition to the nearly two years he's already spent on it, so maybe he will have the first part of SQ42 available by then. Remember they're releasing 10 missions at a time with a total of 60 missions. So maybe they will pull that 2015 date off.

That's where they need to be more clear. When in 2015 and what exactly is it they'll be releasing? The whole game (all 60 missions) plus SC in its entirety? Virtually impossible but maybe that's what he meant. This is a fine example of a lack of communication and how it can cost a company.

Anyhow, I remain optimistic and continue to watch the games' progress. I want this to succeed, but I have my doubts as well. I hope Chris is paying attention to each and every person he has to give a refund to, I hope he recognizes their complaints and addresses the issues to prevent future refunds. Otherwise this maybe the DNF of space sims.

[Sundance Kid V2]

The problem with what you said is they HAVE put a release date out there. If they would have pulled a "It's done when it's done" then the public would be more lenient. They didn't, they said 2015. I don't see any way they can make good on all the promises about the game if it's due out then without even the DFM released yet.

Edit:

Forgot to add, as you said he's a veteran developer, one of the old guard. The mistakes he's made so far are pretty amateurish for someone of his "stature".

think it's easy to go "amateur" when it's his b@lls on the block and he has to get the funds. Then it's promises all around.... to get the funding.

[Cyko]

think it's easy to go "amateur" when it's his b@lls on the block and he has to get the funds. Then it's promises all around.... to get the funding.

A good reputation is hard to earn but easy to lose. Someone as experienced as he is should know that. He's betting big and talking even bigger. It better be mind numbingly awesome, as even the tiniest flaws will be ripped to shreds after the way he's touted his game as the next big thing.

Another thing that annoys me is their communication style. The recent OR implementation for example. It's a completely f*cked up, half-@ssed implementation but they come out with "Hey, we've fufilled our promise of OR support" Things like that make me doubt the final product.

[Napoleonic]

mistakes? what mistakes? the dfm delay?

[Cyko]

mistakes? what mistakes? the dfm delay?

Here comes the kool-aid man...

DFM delay and all the BS that was said before it (among others), half-@ssed content updates (FUBAR'ed OR support), keeping content that should be available to all backers behind the subscriber paywall (which shouldn't exist in the first place), the lack of a summarized progress report until just recently, wasting money on "HEY LOOK AT ME WE'RE AWESOME!" shows like wingmans hangar....rookie mistakes. A seasoned dev should know better.

[v3rninater]

We'll see, I'm not sure on a lot of things, but that update vid I posted, removed some of my issues. It appears they are working pretty darn hard now, just would of rather had videos like the one above, then a bunch of crappy "starship" round table/armchair bs. I never cared about watching those videos, show me something.....not a bunch of people talking, show me what you have accomplished!!!

[Sundance Kid V2]

A good reputation is hard to earn but easy to lose. Someone as experienced as he is should know that. He's betting big and talking even bigger. It better be mind numbingly awesome, as even the tiniest flaws will be ripped to shreds after the way he's touted his game as the next big thing.

Another thing that annoys me is their communication style. The recent OR implementation for example. It's a completely f*cked up, half-@ssed implementation but they come out with "Hey, we've fufilled our promise of OR support" Things like that make me doubt the final product.

I'm waiting patiently for them to release something. So many other games to play..

[vertual]

keeping content that should be available to all backers behind the subscriber paywall (which shouldn't exist in the first place), the lack of a summarized progress report until just recently, wasting money on "HEY LOOK AT ME WE'RE AWESOME!" shows like wingmans hangar....rookie mistakes. A seasoned dev should know better.

The subscribers pay to make Wingmans Hangar. So, for footing the bill, they get special perks like the magazine (which they also pay to make). If you bought a ship, you aren't paying for either the 'zine or the show.

I don't get the lack of faith in veteran developers/geeks making a game that all of them, and all of us, have always wanted, yet you have faith in the next Call of Cawk or have no problem letting EA store it's dick snugly in your throat. You have no problem buying the latest yearly revision of commodity shooter X made by the "Worst Company In America," yet you cannot wait to bash a new company of veterans because they said too many words. Do you REALLY think they are done with Occulus Rift support? You think they just put a new #include at the top of the code, high-fives all around and called it a day?

It's like the George Bush "Mission Accomplished" fiasco. The ship that George Bush landed on just completed it's mission successfully, so they had a banner stating such. For them, not anyone else. Of course people misinterpret that to read "George Bush said the war was a success" the same way that some people saw the words "added the promised Oculus Rift support. This isn’t just a cool feature: it’s also meeting one of our early stretch goal promises" and go on to say "They have stopped working on OR support, they say it's done but it's completely *ed up!! Look at that, they said they met their goal, that means that they will never look at it again. They suck!!!"

[acroig]

[logical]

The subscribers pay to make Wingmans Hangar. So, for footing the bill, they get special perks like the magazine (which they also pay to make). If you bought a ship, you aren't paying for either the 'zine or the show.

I don't get the lack of faith in veteran developers/geeks making a game that all of them, and all of us, have always wanted, yet you have faith in the next Call of Cawk or have no problem letting EA store it's dick snugly in your throat. You have no problem buying the latest yearly revision of commodity shooter X made by the "Worst Company In America," yet you cannot wait to bash a new company of veterans because they said too many words. Do you REALLY think they are done with Occulus Rift support? You think they just put a new #include at the top of the code, high-fives all around and called it a day?

It's like the George Bush "Mission Accomplished" fiasco. The ship that George Bush landed on just completed it's mission successfully, so they had a banner stating such. For them, not anyone else. Of course people misinterpret that to read "George Bush said the war was a success" the same way that some people saw the words "added the promised Oculus Rift support. This isn’t just a cool feature: it’s also meeting one of our early stretch goal promises" and go on to say "They have stopped working on OR support, they say it's done but it's completely *ed up!! Look at that, they said they met their goal, that means that they will never look at it again. They suck!!!"

#include <wah>
#include <disgruntledbacker>

[Napoleonic]

Here comes the kool-aid man...

DFM delay and all the BS that was said before it (among others), half-@ssed content updates (FUBAR'ed OR support), keeping content that should be available to all backers behind the subscriber paywall (which shouldn't exist in the first place), the lack of a summarized progress report until just recently, wasting money on "HEY LOOK AT ME WE'RE AWESOME!" shows like wingmans hangar....rookie mistakes. A seasoned dev should know better.

then you are still ignorant about this whole new way of open game development, CR is a veteran in the industry yes, but let us remember, a veteran of what? a veteran of the old ways of closed game development!

devs are just not used to be this open to their audience and essentially doing their own marketing and pr which was publishers' or parent company's job.

[Cyko]

then you are still ignorant about this whole new way of open game development, CR is a veteran in the industry yes, but let us remember, a veteran of what? a veteran of the old ways of closed game development!

devs are just not used to be this open to their audience and essentially doing their own marketing and pr which was publishers' or parent company's job.

lol. If you call what CR is doing being successful in this new open way of game development then I say the new way is bullsh*t. With over 40 million dollars you'd think they could hire someone to manage communications a little better. Jussayin'

[Cyko]

The subscribers pay to make Wingmans Hangar. So, for footing the bill, they get special perks like the magazine (which they also pay to make). If you bought a ship, you aren't paying for either the 'zine or the show.

I don't get the lack of faith in veteran developers/geeks making a game that all of them, and all of us, have always wanted, yet you have faith in the next Call of Cawk or have no problem letting EA store it's dick snugly in your throat. You have no problem buying the latest yearly revision of commodity shooter X made by the "Worst Company In America," yet you cannot wait to bash a new company of veterans because they said too many words. Do you REALLY think they are done with Occulus Rift support? You think they just put a new #include at the top of the code, high-fives all around and called it a day?

It's like the George Bush "Mission Accomplished" fiasco. The ship that George Bush landed on just completed it's mission successfully, so they had a banner stating such. For them, not anyone else. Of course people misinterpret that to read "George Bush said the war was a success" the same way that some people saw the words "added the promised Oculus Rift support. This isn’t just a cool feature: it’s also meeting one of our early stretch goal promises" and go on to say "They have stopped working on OR support, they say it's done but it's completely *ed up!! Look at that, they said they met their goal, that means that they will never look at it again. They suck!!!"

*gargle gargle gargle*

Here, you need this...



It'll help get the taste of CR's balls out of your mouth.

[vertual]

That's all you got? I'd call that a forfeit, quitter. Just a picture response? Come on, this isn't pre-school, this is a forum, use words, and words that I didn't use, to come up with a response.

Grade: D+

[Cyko]

That's all you got? I'd call that a forfeit, quitter. Just a picture response? Come on, this isn't pre-school, this is a forum, use words, and words that I didn't use, to come up with a response.

Grade: D+

You act like what is said on this forum, or anywhere on the Internet, has any bearing on me IRL. This isn't pre-school? Quitter? Riiight. I guess the trololololo is too far above your head. Here, I'll use different words. Chris Roberts has his hand shoved so far up your @ss that he's working your mouth like a finger puppet

There should be no "special perks" regarding the game development that are afforded to anyone outside normal backers. The "they paid extra for it so they deserve it" mantra is BS because the whole reason people support the game is to get that same kind of info that the "special subscribers" are getting. So I back the game to get an inside look at the dev process but now I have to pay again to get a view inside that's actually worth looking at? AWESOME.

The OR announcement was hilarious to me. They haven't met their stretch goal by patching in some half assed version of OR support, they haven't met half their goals. I doubt they'll meet 3/4 of their goals. OR support is so incredibly easy to implement it's trivial and yet this studio being led by the mythical CR can't do it properly...really?

Oh, and I haven't bought into many major big name releases in the past few years because they are crap, and I've called them crap just like I'm calling this fiasco a bunch of crap. Way to assume there buddy.

If you want a good look at what a transparent development process should look like go check out limit theory. That guy does it right and he's a fking amateur.

[JohnEJohn]

Noticed a Cyko post popup..... was not disappointed

[Redeemed]

You act like what is said on this forum, or anywhere on the Internet, has any bearing on me IRL. This isn't pre-school? Quitter? Riiight. I guess the trololololo is too far above your head. Here, I'll use different words. Chris Roberts has his hand shoved so far up your @ss that he's working your mouth like a finger puppet

There should be no "special perks" regarding the game development that are afforded to anyone outside normal backers. The "they paid extra for it so they deserve it" mantra is BS because the whole reason people support the game is to get that same kind of info that the "special subscribers" are getting. So I back the game to get an inside look at the dev process but now I have to pay again to get a view inside that's actually worth looking at? AWESOME.

The OR announcement was hilarious to me. They haven't met their stretch goal by patching in some half assed version of OR support, they haven't met half their goals. I doubt they'll meet 3/4 of their goals. OR support is so incredibly easy to implement it's trivial and yet this studio being led by the mythical CR can't do it properly...really?

Oh, and I haven't bought into many major big name releases in the past few years because they are crap, and I've called them crap just like I'm calling this fiasco a bunch of crap. Way to assume there buddy.

If you want a good look at what a transparent development process should look like go check out limit theory. That guy does it right and he's a fking amateur.

To be fair- Limit Theory will be a much smaller game in scope and scale, hence why progress is more rapid.

[v3rninater]

Here's the problem Cyko, CR has a portfolio, when he's not making full motion pictures for millions, he decides he wants to make a space sim game. Judging by his previous works, (you can google them yourself) I'd say he has a high chance of success, especially now that he has 10's of millions from fans, and no stupid corporate bs to deal with. Maybe he got suckered in by trying to have release dates on things, but I'd rather have a polished work then a quick buggy one, like most of the EA, Ubisoft, etc...

So even though it's slowed down a bit, I'll bet things will pick up soon, and when your playing the DFM, don't be such an immature hater...

[Cyko]

Here's the problem Cyko, CR has a portfolio, when he's not making full motion pictures for millions, he decides he wants to make a space sim game. Judging by his previous works, (you can google them yourself) I'd say he has a high chance of success, especially now that he has 10's of millions from fans, and no stupid corporate bs to deal with. Maybe he got suckered in by trying to have release dates on things, but I'd rather have a polished work then a quick buggy one, like most of the EA, Ubisoft, etc...

So even though it's slowed down a bit, I'll bet things will pick up soon, and when your playing the DFM, don't be such an immature hater...

Portfolios don't mean a thing to me unfortunately, I look at their actions and success currently. I wouldn't consider myself an immature hater, more like a betrayed fan. Do you have any idea how many thousands I had pledged? Do you know how many people I got to pledge? Hell, I probably raised over $50k for the game. I BELIEVED the hype, but unfortunately the results have not even remotely lived up to the reputation. The people who I got to pledge were also big WC fans, and they are also pulling their money out because they feel progress has been a joke.

I will be doing backflips if the DFM is a success, because I want a new space Sim like none other. I just don't see it happening and am very disappointed.

Redeemed - I was talking more about communication style than quick progress

John - glad my post did not disappoint. Do I have a reputation in unaware of?

[Napoleonic]

Portfolios don't mean a thing to me unfortunately, I look at their actions and success currently. I wouldn't consider myself an immature hater, more like a betrayed fan. Do you have any idea how many thousands I had pledged? Do you know how many people I got to pledge? Hell, I probably raised over $50k for the game. I BELIEVED the hype, but unfortunately the results have not even remotely lived up to the reputation. The people who I got to pledge were also big WC fans, and they are also pulling their money out because they feel progress has been a joke.

I will be doing backflips if the DFM is a success, because I want a new space Sim like none other. I just don't see it happening and am very disappointed.

Redeemed - I was talking more about communication style than quick progress

John - glad my post did not disappoint. Do I have a reputation in unaware of?

50K? that's your own IDIOCY... not even a star trek holodeck porn program worth that much

also compare this to watch dog for example... they went from an awesome reveal 2 years ago into the current **** with 6 month delay even, compared to such AAA project from one of the biggest publisher-developer around, star citizen is currently progressing nicely... I mean who knows since when did they worked on watch dog from the beginning, 2011/2010?

[KevinJAnderson]

I haven't invested in Star Citizen or whatever it's called, but I have been watching it's progress (?) a little.
I'm nothing more than an admittedly skeptical 'bystander', but I do find the whole thing fascinating.
When did the development of the game actually start?
I'm curious to know how long it has been in development for, as I'm pretty sure it's a while now.
I keep reading about 'stretch goals', and the whole project has started to sound ridiculously overblown.
Couldn't they have started with a simpler project? Something that could be produced a little faster?
Something like an updated Wing Commander game, with modern graphics and sound, just to give people an idea of what could be done. If that was a success, then sure, go all-out and shoot for the stars.
But who knows, maybe it will be awesome? I keep watching and waiting.

[aviphysics]

You act like what is said on this forum, or anywhere on the Internet, has any bearing on me IRL. This isn't pre-school? Quitter? Riiight. I guess the trololololo is too far above your head. Here, I'll use different words. Chris Roberts has his hand shoved so far up your @ss that he's working your mouth like a finger puppet

There should be no "special perks" regarding the game development that are afforded to anyone outside normal backers. The "they paid extra for it so they deserve it" mantra is BS because the whole reason people support the game is to get that same kind of info that the "special subscribers" are getting. So I back the game to get an inside look at the dev process but now I have to pay again to get a view inside that's actually worth looking at? AWESOME.

The OR announcement was hilarious to me. They haven't met their stretch goal by patching in some half assed version of OR support, they haven't met half their goals. I doubt they'll meet 3/4 of their goals. OR support is so incredibly easy to implement it's trivial and yet this studio being led by the mythical CR can't do it properly...really?

Oh, and I haven't bought into many major big name releases in the past few years because they are crap, and I've called them crap just like I'm calling this fiasco a bunch of crap. Way to assume there buddy.

If you want a good look at what a transparent development process should look like go check out limit theory. That guy does it right and he's a fking amateur.

May I interrupt to ask "WTF is OR support?"