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    Turning off VBS

    https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/...vbs-windows-11

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      Thanks, acroig! I tried those steps, but the only thing that shut VBS off for me was to run the bcdedit command that was mentioned in the comments below the article. However, that also knocked out WSL2. I like WSL2, so I guess I can live with VBS.

      But I ran 3dmark with and without VBS running, and I saw only a 1.5% reduction with VBS turned on (probably not statistically significant, anyway).

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        Yeah, not a big deal if it's that small a difference.

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          Shame my main PC doesn't support W11 - Still, installing it on a sh!tty Dell laptop thats years old and had W10 on it so lets see what happens...
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            I dont think it matters, use the Microsoft provided hack and install it anyways.

            https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...rcdxhk6ib9g600

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              https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

              Looks like as of right now, win11 is slower than win10 with a ryzen cpu.

              A fix is coming in October.

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                Originally posted by acroig View Post
                Yeah, not a big deal if it's that small a difference.
                Yeah I found the same thing myself. Might as well leave VBS on if it helps Windows stay more secure. Not sure where folks saw the 28% performance hit, but I saw nowhere near that.
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                  I'm sure they were just looking for sensational headlines and found one title knock the hell out of it, like all newly released software its going to take some time to get it purring like a kitty!

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                    Easiest way to turn VBS off is disable all the virtualization **** in your BIOS. I don't know why you'd have it enabled for a normal PC.
                    Originally posted by curio
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                      Originally posted by Thr0tt View Post
                      Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz 4.01 GHz
                      Installed RAM 16.0 GB
                      System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
                      Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

                      Shame my main PC doesn't support W11 - Still, installing it on a sh!tty Dell laptop thats years old and had W10 on it so lets see what happens...
                      Yep, I'm in the same boat here. I literally meet all other requirements including TPM 2.0....except for the 6th gen instead of 8th gen.

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                        Originally posted by Mangler View Post
                        https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

                        Looks like as of right now, win11 is slower than win10 with a ryzen cpu.

                        A fix is coming in October.
                        Yeah, I was all set to jump but am going to hold off pending resolution / workaround.

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                          Originally posted by x-voodoo View Post
                          Yep, I'm in the same boat here. I literally meet all other requirements including TPM 2.0....except for the 6th gen instead of 8th gen.
                          I wouldn't fret it. This OS reminds me of Win 10 when it came out. It wasn't finished, and evolved. By the time Win 10 loses support you'll have a new machine, and Win 11 will be in a good spot.

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                            Originally posted by Greasy View Post
                            I wouldn't fret it. This OS reminds me of Win 10 when it came out. It wasn't finished, and evolved. By the time Win 10 loses support you'll have a new machine, and Win 11 will be in a good spot.
                            Runs better than a fresh Win10 install right now. I'm loving Win11.
                            Originally posted by curio
                            Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
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                              Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                              Runs better than a fresh Win10 install right now. I'm loving Win11.
                              I like it too, but I damn sure wouldn't buy a new PC for this.

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                                What's the verdict? I see Nunz thinks it's good - how does it perform on intel platforms?

                                I really just want Auto-HDR and Direct Storage. Does Auto-HDR work OK? And I suppose Direct Storage is app dependent, does anything actually use it yet?
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                                  YOLO I installed it. So am I imagining things or does everything seem extra snappy?? I really like it so far.
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                                    So wtf, how do I change the 'right click' context menu back to win10 style? I want cut, copy, paste, and winrar extract here in the context menu. It's all hidden under "more options" in win11..
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                                      Originally posted by demo View Post
                                      So wtf, how do I change the 'right click' context menu back to win10 style? I want cut, copy, paste, and winrar extract here in the context menu. It's all hidden under "more options" in win11..
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                                        Originally posted by demo View Post
                                        So wtf, how do I change the 'right click' context menu back to win10 style? I want cut, copy, paste, and winrar extract here in the context menu. It's all hidden under "more options" in win11..
                                        https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/...-context-menus

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                                        Originally posted by curio
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                                          Thanks guys. I tell you what, this feels so snappy it's not funny. Nunz is right, it's way better than a fresh win10 install.
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                                            I feel the same way. I even seen performance increases on a 10900K + 3080TI in benches vs a relatively fresh Win10 install that was tweaked for performance.
                                            Originally posted by curio
                                            Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
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                                              Well installed fine after following this : https://jensd.be/1472/windows/instal...orted-hardware

                                              Dell Inspiron 1545 - seems faster than W10 currently however not much on the laptop as its just a slave for me to update my amp.

                                              Upgrade wiped programs but left most data.
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                                                Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                Easiest way to turn VBS off is disable all the virtualization **** in your BIOS. I don't know why you'd have it enabled for a normal PC.
                                                Well, microsoft says that with VBS and some other technologies enabled, they can compartmentalize **** better to protect against malware, etc. That's a good thing. Unfortunately, it comes at a small performance cost. 5% doesn't seem like much until you realize that's one generation CPU upgrade and 5-10 FPS.

                                                I'm vacillating as to which is the more compelling. For people buying new hardware and having it enabled by default, all they'll see is a new laptop that's faster than their old one and more secure to boot. Most people won't know or care. It's the gaming enthusiasts that will benchmark and bitch..
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                                                  Originally posted by demo View Post
                                                  Thanks guys. I tell you what, this feels so snappy it's not funny. Nunz is right, it's way better than a fresh win10 install.
                                                  Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                  I feel the same way. I even seen performance increases on a 10900K + 3080TI in benches vs a relatively fresh Win10 install that was tweaked for performance.
                                                  Good to know…I’ll jump after they issue the fix for Ryzen processors

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                                                    I might install it on my main rig this weekend, I think I can live with a 3-5% performance hit in my casul, pretty titles.

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                                                      If you're running Ryzen, I would wait. Apparently the fix is already in one of the Dev Builds and should be out relatively soon; I'm surprised it hasn't been released already.

                                                      As for VBS, I'm not really concerned with security too much. My rig is purely for gaming and with basic common sense you can avoid a very vast majority of malware on the web. I used to disable Spectre defenses as well with InSpectre but I'm not sure how it'll work with Win11, so I haven't tried that.

                                                      The fact I seen performances increases on Win11 vs Win10 with all the software mitigations disabled is pretty impressive on MS' part.
                                                      Originally posted by curio
                                                      Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
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                                                        I'm not going to install Win 11 just yet, but I did start looking into the process. On the Windows Update page in Win 10 its telling me this PC doesn't currently meet all the system requirements for Windows 11. Yeah right.

                                                        I didn't have TPM enabled, so thought that was probably it. Went into BIOS and enabled it. Also enabled Secure Boot for good measure, although I think the requirement with that is just if the PC "supports" Secure Boot. Doesn't necessarily have to be enabled?

                                                        After that I was still getting the "doesn't currently meet the requirements" message and then found this:

                                                        https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/1...dows-11-error/

                                                        Also ran the PC Health Check app and it says the PC meets the requirements.

                                                        So apparently its just an error and a known issue they are working on. My assumption is if I did want to install Windows 11 right now it would work fine doing a clean install using the Win 11 ISO.

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                                                          3 systems

                                                          1 waiting for ryzen fix
                                                          2 1900x not supported and waiting for ryzen fix to force it or get a 2920x for 689
                                                          3 surface pro 4 w/ i5-7300 not supported - I may force this soon

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                                                            Originally posted by demo View Post
                                                            What's the verdict? I see Nunz thinks it's good - how does it perform on intel platforms?

                                                            I really just want Auto-HDR and Direct Storage. Does Auto-HDR work OK? And I suppose Direct Storage is app dependent, does anything actually use it yet?
                                                            Good and good. Get it NOW.

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                                                              Originally posted by Meteor_of_War View Post
                                                              I'm not going to install Win 11 just yet, but I did start looking into the process. On the Windows Update page in Win 10 its telling me this PC doesn't currently meet all the system requirements for Windows 11. Yeah right.

                                                              I didn't have TPM enabled, so thought that was probably it. Went into BIOS and enabled it. Also enabled Secure Boot for good measure, although I think the requirement with that is just if the PC "supports" Secure Boot. Doesn't necessarily have to be enabled?

                                                              After that I was still getting the "doesn't currently meet the requirements" message and then found this:

                                                              https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/1...dows-11-error/

                                                              Also ran the PC Health Check app and it says the PC meets the requirements.

                                                              So apparently its just an error and a known issue they are working on. My assumption is if I did want to install Windows 11 right now it would work fine doing a clean install using the Win 11 ISO.
                                                              It said I didn't meet requirements either, and to download PC Health Check. Enabled TPM, ran it, still said I wasn't eligible. I forgot what I did but then it appeared, might have rebooted or something.

                                                              After upgrading my Win10, I decided to just fully wipe the drive clean and reformat to a clean install. If you did the Win11 install through the Media Creation Tool (ISO to a flash drive) it'll work fine.
                                                              Originally posted by curio
                                                              Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
                                                              "If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn Monbroe

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                                                                Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                                It said I didn't meet requirements either, and to download PC Health Check. Enabled TPM, ran it, still said I wasn't eligible. I forgot what I did but then it appeared, might have rebooted or something.

                                                                After upgrading my Win10, I decided to just fully wipe the drive clean and reformat to a clean install. If you did the Win11 install through the Media Creation Tool (ISO to a flash drive) it'll work fine.
                                                                Thanks for the reassurance. Figured that was the case.

                                                                Still, I'm happy with Windows 10 for now. I don't feel a need to go to 11. I'll wait a year or so for it to mature a bit, then make the switch.

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                                                                  I'm in the process of installing Windows 11 on my Surface Pro 3 (2014), since it's "supported" by Microsoft no additional regedits were needed, the necessary key was already there (probably a Win10 patch added it). It's taking a bit more time than my Core i9 desktop PC

                                                                  Yesterday I also updated my son's 2019 Dell G5 (straight forward process). Will try with my Surface Pro 6 (2019 as well) later.

                                                                  After these, I have 2 other computers to upgrade, a 2016 Dell Inspiron 5675 (daughter's) and my good old 2015 X99 setup (currently being used by my wife). These does not comply with the "hardware requirements" however I'm pretty sure are more than capable of running Windows 11 (minus the TPM).
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                                                                    Don’t notice a problem running it on my ryzen 5900x, it will just be a speed boost when they release the patch, and I’m sure I won’t notice it again.

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                                                                      Are you all on Windows 11. Was it worth the upgrade? First time seeing this thread.

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                                                                        Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                                                        Are you all on Windows 11. Was it worth the upgrade? First time seeing this thread.
                                                                        Some of the UI changes might take some getting used to, but you can always tweak things to bring some of the old menus back. So far I've seen no issues at all. Everything runs at least as well as Win10 did, because it basically *IS* Win 10 with a new theme. It's free, so no reason not to do it if you've got relatively new hardware.
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                                                                          OK. Just updated my son's computer. There is no real difference. I heard that games run faster. Anything I need to do to get that going?

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                                                                            Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                                                            OK. Just updated my son's computer. There is no real difference. I heard that games run faster. Anything I need to do to get that going?
                                                                            Not yet. DirectStorage is what you're thinking of, and developers have to use it when they code games. It doesn't come for free, as far as I understand it.
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                                                                              Originally posted by Munkus View Post
                                                                              Not yet. DirectStorage is what you're thinking of, and developers have to use it when they code games. It doesn't come for free, as far as I understand it.
                                                                              game prices up to 169.99 ea


                                                                              ……

                                                                              got it on my surface pro 4 had to regedit to get it
                                                                              seem to work fine and I like it on the touch screen

                                                                              but if I don't get updates I will have to roll it back

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                                                                                "Doesn't come free" meaning it doesn't make games faster unless the developers code for it.
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                                                                                  Originally posted by Munkus View Post
                                                                                  "Doesn't come free" meaning it doesn't make games faster unless the developers code for it.

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