THE ULTIMATE 64bit vs 32bit vs XP vs VISTA thread!!!!

[Stingray]

Agreed.

[Hidavi]

Vista Ultimate has 132 services that for 90% of users are useless and just take up resources. I spent a good hour getting the list down from 69 resources running to just 47. Didn't really seem to matter, seeing as how Vista 64 runs almost flawlessly on this machine as it is.

Now, do I feel that the upgrade from XP to Vista was necessary? Yes and no. Vista is much more stable. However, it also consumes twice as much RAM and benefits from the fact that the CPU I'm running it on now is ~45% faster than the one I was running it on before. Another crazy thing is that it actually needs a video card

I did it mostly for the DX10, but something tells me DX10 is possible on XP too

[caveman-jim]

List the 132 services that are useless for 90% of users.


DirectX 10 is not possible for any OS not based on the NT 6.x kernel.

[Stingray]

I did it mostly for the DX10, but something tells me DX10 is possible on XP too

I don´t think so.

[moshpit]

I'm begging the mods to let me have open season on ChrisW77. Just a couple well placed posts is ALL I beg! He's left ALL kinds of fun holes in his "debate" to drive a mac truck though! PLEASE let me off the leash!

[cfsirl]

Another crazy thing is that it actually needs a video card

You mean at least a somewhat competent 3D card for Aero, right? When my Geforce 7600GS in my work box (Vista Home Premium x64) crapped out, I pulled out my old Rage Pro PCI and, funny enough, it came up.

[caveman-jim]

I'm begging the mods to let me have open season on ChrisW77. Just a couple well placed posts is ALL I beg! He's left ALL kinds of fun holes in his "debate" to drive a mac truck though! PLEASE let me off the leash!

Shrike's on vacation

[chadro]

what about 3dmark Vantage? Does this support dx10 and does it run better under the x64 environment?

[Hidavi]

List the 132 services that are useless for 90% of users.


DirectX 10 is not possible for any OS not based on the NT 6.x kernel.

I worded it wrong. I meant that it has 132 services, a lot of which are useless for most users.

And I stand corrected on the DX10 issue.

[ChrisW77]

I'm begging the mods to let me have open season on ChrisW77. Just a couple well placed posts is ALL I beg! He's left ALL kinds of fun holes in his "debate" to drive a mac truck though! PLEASE let me off the leash!

Oh Noes !!!!!!!!
Why would you need to ask the mods ?
Go on son, go for it, really let the hatred out. Really tell some person across the pond what you are thinking, on the interweb, then expect him to actually give a ****e.

I guess I'm not going to sleep tonight, knowing that someone sonewhere in interweb land wants to drive a mac truck through my fun holes (whatever that means). Actually, that sounds like a great title for a crap country and western song, sung by Dallas Smergflerger.

[moshpit]

Oh Noes !!!!!!!!
Why would you need to ask the mods ?
Go on son, go for it, really let the hatred out. Really tell some person across the pond what you are thinking, on the interweb, then expect him to actually give a ****e.

I guess I'm not going to sleep tonight, knowing that someone sonewhere in interweb land wants to drive a mac truck through my fun holes (whatever that means). Actually, that sounds like a great title for a crap country and western song, sung by Dallas Smergflerger.

I like you. I really really do...

(Please, guys????)

[Crisler]

I'm begging the mods to let me have open season on ChrisW77. Just a couple well placed posts is ALL I beg! He's left ALL kinds of fun holes in his "debate" to drive a mac truck though! PLEASE let me off the leash!

Oh Noes !!!!!!!!
Why would you need to ask the mods ?
Go on son, go for it, really let the hatred out. Really tell some person across the pond what you are thinking, on the interweb, then expect him to actually give a ****e.

I guess I'm not going to sleep tonight, knowing that someone sonewhere in interweb land wants to drive a mac truck through my fun holes (whatever that means). Actually, that sounds like a great title for a crap country and western song, sung by Dallas Smergflerger.

HEEL MOSH HEEL, DOWN BOY, here have a scoobie snack.. Good MOSH!!!

I love Chris' comments like go on son and yet his posts read like is 12.

Seriously, Mosh let the it go, there is no sense in it.

There is a very old saying, forgot where it is from. "Do not argue with the village idiot lest you make yourself dumber."

[caveman-jim]

HEEL MOSH HEEL, DOWN BOY, here have a scoobie snack.. Good MOSH!!!

I love Chris' comments like go on son and yet his posts read like is 12.

Seriously, Mosh let the it go, there is no sense in it.

There is a very old saying, forgot where it is from. "Do not argue with the village idiot lest you make yourself dumber."

I heard it as 'Dont argue with idiots. They'll lower you to their level and beat you with experience.'

[moshpit]

I'll be nice then.

[Jokerzwild]

Be sure to keep on stayin' cool guys, Lupine will be back around shortly enough. Don't get yourselves in trouble here.

[Jokerzwild]

Oh and Chris, you have serious deficiencies in your social skills my friend. We're all here for the same reason; our hobby. There's no need to be so aggressive... it's just an operating system. When you signed up to be a member of Rage3d you agreed to follow the rules here. Follow them or leave.

[Hidavi]

Alright this thread has gone to ****. IBTL.

[Jokerzwild]

Ahem ... in the meantime lets get back on topic and maybe this thread will pull itself back together.

Thanks!

[moshpit]

In that spirit, I've been happily using Vista x64 now since it's launch, and it's been totally rock solid and runs smooth. I had XP 32bit and Vista 32bit as alternate OS loads setup in multiboot at first, but as benchmarks showed Vista 64 catching up with them, I would remove them. Within the first 2 months I had dumped Vista 32bit as unneeded. Then another couple of months passed by and I then dumped off the XP load since at that point, Vista x64 was every bit as fast as XP.

An interesting point I came across while reading the XP EOL page at MS, was that people with actual functional knowledge about Vista were 70% more likely to have a positive impression of it after using it. Which kinda applies to this thread I think. The most negative opinions come from people with little to no experience with the OS in question.

Those who know what the OS is doing in the background, are mostly happy with the OS itself. Seems pretty simple. Let's look at a GREAT example of lack of knowledge:

I'm surprised that ANYONE would want a 15Gb, bloated, DRM-filled TURD of an OS on their machines.
For me, XP64 does everything I want it to. Fast, extremely stable and compatible, low mem usage, and only 1Gb on my HD with SP2 and a bit of nlite magic.
Vista Ultimate 64 (what I'm currently testing), is freaking HUGE. What the hell takes up 15Gb ? All that pointless eye candy, no doubt. Even with SP1 installed, it just seems to be a huge annoyance to use, with huge amounts of memory taken up, and for no apparent reason whatsoever.

We can start here nicely enough. This example of OS ignorance shows just how frustrated an uneducated user can be. Things like Superfetch and the word ULTIMATE seems totally lost on this user. To get the known largest package of Vista and then complain about it's size is silliness in the extreme. When you buy the fully loaded car, complaining about all the electrical devices sucking on your battery is a major sign of ignorance.

And WHY, for the love of some deity, does it seem to just do "Things" on it's own ? What the flying c*nting claptrap is it freaking doing, even when it's idle ? I come back after making a coffee, and it's pissing around with something, taking a fair chunk of CPU usage, idling ? Theres no net access going on, a whole heap of HD access that just goes on and on and on.

The phrase that comes to mind is "Google is your friend" after reading this last part. Superfetch explainations are everywhere and easy to find, yet this user would rather act ignorant of the events on his own system without any research and come to a forum to express said ignorance in a nasty way. Lazy is another word that comes to mind. As in too lazy to hit up the Google search.

What we come away with, is evidence that MS can make a good point occasionally. Knowledge of this OS helps alot in your experience. Not knowing what Superfetch and Ultimate mean is causing some confusion among less savy users.

[Hidavi]

In that spirit, I've been happily using Vista x64 now since it's launch, and it's been totally rock solid and runs smooth. I had XP 32bit and Vista 32bit as alternate OS loads setup in multiboot at first, but as benchmarks showed Vista 64 catching up with them, I would remove them. Within the first 2 months I had dumped Vista 32bit as unneeded. Then another couple of months passed by and I then dumped off the XP load since at that point, Vista x64 was every bit as fast as XP.

An interesting point I came across while reading the XP EOL page at MS, was that people with actual functional knowledge about Vista were 70% more likely to have a positive impression of it after using it. Which kinda applies to this thread I think. The most negative opinions come from people with little to no experience with the OS in question.

Those who know what the OS is doing in the background, are mostly happy with the OS itself. Seems pretty simple. Let's look at a GREAT example of lack of knowledge:



We can start here nicely enough. This example of OS ignorance shows just how frustrated an uneducated user can be. Things like Superfetch and the word ULTIMATE seems totally lost on this user. To get the known largest package of Vista and then complain about it's size is silliness in the extreme. When you buy the fully loaded car, complaining about all the electrical devices sucking on your battery is a major sign of ignorance.




The phrase that comes to mind is "Google is your friend" after reading this last part. Superfetch explainations are everywhere and easy to find, yet this user would rather act ignorant of the events on his own system without any research and come to a forum to express said ignorance in a nasty way. Lazy is another word that comes to mind. As in too lazy to hit up the Google search.

What we come away with, is evidence that MS can make a good point occasionally. Knowledge of this OS helps alot in your experience. Not knowing what Superfetch and Ultimate mean is causing some confusion among less savy users.

good point. Pleasing basic users has never been MS's forte. I've never met an IT guyy who prefers Mac OS to Windows. In fact over at the company I work for, Intelligent Desiigns, we dont like Macs cuz they have lots of little problems. thankfully we have a unix guy who just command-lines in there when clients need to. Seriously we serve a law office that has a network of 7 macs

[moshpit]

good point. Pleasing basic users has never been MS's forte. I've never met an IT guyy who prefers Mac OS to Windows. In fact over at the company I work for, Intelligent Desiigns, we dont like Macs cuz they have lots of little problems. thankfully we have a unix guy who just command-lines in there when clients need to. Seriously we serve a law office that has a network of 7 macs

We brought a Mac into our labs this month and so far it's not fairing well for use in video security purposes. While we can get it onto a domain just fine, we're having problems porting our app to it under Domain usage conditions. Since most of our customers are enterprise level clients, we have to have full functionality with AD, and there seems to be some issues with Mac natively operating in AD environments. I'm not development, so I don't have exact details of what the failure is as yet, but we have no problems with Vista, XP, Server 2003 or 2008, heck, even Ubuntu was ported over easily.

[ChrisW77]

Ahh, was that it ?
I was expecting to see lots of man-love, groups hugs, and fellow ragers all jumping on the Vista-love bandwagon.

I like you. I really really do...

I'm afraid I'm taken, but still, I'm sure theres plenty of other men out there, if you're that way inclined.

This example of OS ignorance shows just how frustrated an uneducated user can be.

Ahh, the good old Ignorance, followed by unedumacated post.
Next, you'll be telling me about google is your fr...... ooops,

The phrase that comes to mind is "Google is your friend"

some confusion among less savy users.

It's SAVVY, not savy. At least, if you are going to attempt to insult me, try to spell SAVVY, correctly.

Speaking of less savvy, it's always Americans that are slow to grasp Humour, & Irony.

When you buy the fully loaded car, complaining about all the electrical devices sucking on your battery is a major sign of ignorance.

Buying a new car that weighs a couple of tonnes, to be told that to make it lighter and more responsive, you have to remove the rear seats, take out the spare wheel, and "Tweak" the car's ECU, is not the type of thing you want to be told when you purchase a new car.
Plus, if you had a lot of electrical devices sucking on your battery, I would hope you wouldn't be stupid enough to buy it in the first place.

[Hidavi]

So I guess I'll turn on SuperFetch again. I'm gonna miss the framerate stability but I guess it pays off in the end

And also, why are some of you saying it would take forever on my system? And how much is forever

[moshpit]

Ahh, was that it ?
I was expecting to see lots of man-love, groups hugs, and fellow ragers all jumping on the Vista-love bandwagon.



I'm afraid I'm taken, but still, I'm sure theres plenty of other men out there, if you're that way inclined.



Ahh, the good old Ignorance, followed by unedumacated post.
Next, you'll be telling me about google is your fr...... ooops,







It's SAVVY, not savy. At least, if you are going to attempt to insult me, try to spell SAVVY, correctly.

Speaking of less savvy, it's always Americans that are slow to grasp Humour, & Irony.



Buying a new car that weighs a couple of tonnes, to be told that to make it lighter and more responsive, you have to remove the rear seats, take out the spare wheel, and "Tweak" the car's ECU, is not the type of thing you want to be told when you purchase a new car.
Plus, if you had a lot of electrical devices sucking on your battery, I would hope you wouldn't be stupid enough to buy it in the first place.

Your ignorance of the OS your supposed to be testing is too impractical seeming to allow for you to actually be a professional of any kind. Your failure to research your target OS shows either a complete lack of interest in your job or simple incompetence. Whichever it is though, your doing yourself no favors in sticking with your day job. Perhaps a nice job flipping burgers would suit you better?

And thank you for the engrish lesson, Mr. English teacher. Since we're back in grade school and you think being a spelling nazi is somehow a way to mitigate your ignorance in other areas, perhaps you could learn what ULTIMATE or SUPERFETCH means? Yes? No?

[ChrisW77]

And thank you for the engrish lesson, Mr. English teacher. Since we're back in grade school and you think being a spelling nazi is somehow a way to mitigate your ignorance in other areas, perhaps you could learn what ULTIMATE or SUPERFETCH means? Yes? No?

Strange that you should attack someone because of their so-called lack of OS knowledge, yet you get into a little hissy fit when you are brought up on a spelling error.
Perhaps you should look up the word "Irony", you might learn something.
And, where did I mention that I have no clue about ULTIMATE or SUPERFETCH ?
I have a few hundred vista tweaks I could use, but I'm talking about from a beginner's experience, people I deal with who don't visit nerdy websites to know that a tweak is.
Do you know what a vanilla install is, by any chance ?
I was talking about a vanilla Vista64 vs a vanilla XP64 install. Every single time, XP64 SP2 vs Vista64 SP1 no tweaks, XP64 walks all over vista for speed, responsiveness, compatibility, 2.8Gb install vs 15Gb install without nlite, Price, etc..
You can argue until you're blue, the mere fact that you need to tweak Vista to make it actually usable, where I'm using XP64 with just a few services switched off, goes to show that I'm right all along.

Lastly, Like I earlier said regarding laptops, this link points to a popular laptop around here.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140709/show_product_reviews

And, like I said, the best thing you can do for a laptop like this, is to format it and stick on XP. Better, faster startup times, more responsive, and much better battery time. Actually, if the owners had a bit of tech in them, sticking Ubuntu 8.04 on it would be even better still.

[Crisler]

You can argue until you're blue, the mere fact that you need to tweak Vista to make it actually usable, where I'm using XP64 with just a few services switched off, goes to show that I'm right all along..

The fact you try to say you NEED to tweak Vista to make it usable shows your lack of experience or knowledge with the product.

News flash for you, even most of the so called tweaks for XP where placebos. You do know what that means right, FAKE. They gave the user a feeling of speed increase while giving no real benefit.

The same applies to Vista today the so called tweaks actually in many cases hurt the Vista performance in the long run and create potential security risks.

[Crisler]

Lastly, Like I earlier said regarding laptops, this link points to a popular laptop around here.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140709/show_product_reviews

HOLY ESO ISSUE BATMAN! You claim to be in IT and yet you use a system so underpowered it is like hamsters instead of a battery and this is your claim for why Vista 64 is no good?

My God I would slap one of my clients for buying this thing. Worse I would fire myself for LETTING a client buy this.

[moshpit]

Strange that you should attack someone because of their so-called lack of OS knowledge, yet you get into a little hissy fit when you are brought up on a spelling error.
Perhaps you should look up the word "Irony", you might learn something.
And, where did I mention that I have no clue about ULTIMATE or SUPERFETCH ?

Then perhaps you need to learn how to convey that instead of acting like you don't know what they are. Superfetch is that thing you mentioned seemed to be doing it's own thing in the background that you whined about? Hmmmm, I'm left with the impression you DIDN'T know what Superfetch was by your own words. And complaining about the size of the Ultimate version seems ridiculous considering it's MEANT to be huge, it's ULTIMATE!!! What part of that word doesn't make sense to you?

I have a few hundred vista tweaks I could use,

Really? A few hundred? I'd like to see that list. I think your full of crap. There's not even 100 yet. Liar.

but I'm talking about from a beginner's experience

Yes, you are, we can tell...

Do you know what a vanilla install is, by any chance ?
I was talking about a vanilla Vista64 vs a vanilla XP64 install. Every single time, XP64 SP2 vs Vista64 SP1 no tweaks, XP64 walks all over vista for speed, responsiveness, compatibility, 2.8Gb install vs 15Gb install without nlite, Price, etc..

I'm more likely to know what a vanilla install is then you are to be able to tell the difference between apples and oranges apparently

You can argue until you're blue, the mere fact that you need to tweak Vista to make it actually usable, where I'm using XP64 with just a few services switched off, goes to show that I'm right all along.

Whatever. Seems like a bunch of excuses to me. The only thing I had to tweak was turning off UAC. Vista is perfectly usable in it's native state, something a PROFESSIONAL would know. But then you already corrected us on that impression. Now that we know your NOT a professional doing testing, but are instead a beginner, alot of things become more clear.

Lastly, Like I earlier said regarding laptops, this link points to a popular laptop around here.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140709/show_product_reviews

And, like I said, the best thing you can do for a laptop like this, is to format it and stick on XP. Better, faster startup times, more responsive, and much better battery time. Actually, if the owners had a bit of tech in them, sticking Ubuntu 8.04 on it would be even better still.

Yeah, we'll go with that since you've failed to give any real technical information to back up your position in any way. All you've done is contradict yourself repeatedly at this point and shown that you were the one attacking originally with your hateful post about Vista and "Why anybody would use this oversized turd of an OS" as you called it, completely blindly to the fact that you installed the largest version of it to begin with. Funny thing is, all you did was show you have no clue about it whatsoever and destroyed what little credibility you had with your flip flops.

[cfsirl]

Chris,

On a crappy system with 1gb of RAM, of course XP x64 will be faster. Feed a Vista x64 system 2gb or more, especially 4gb, and you will see a difference. Considering you can get 2gb (2x1gb) DDR for roughly $20-25 these days, it's not far-fetched to spend a whopping $50 to have four 1gb modules in a desktop. I have 2gb in my Phenom desktop as shown in my system specs and Vista x64 runs smooth and is responsive, but I know I can do better with more RAM.

For reference, I tried Vista on my HP zv6000 notebook (Athlon 64 3500+). At first I had 1gb RAM and it didn't run nearly as well as I liked. Eventually, since I started getting into VMs for work, I upgraded it to 1.5gb and Vista ran noticeably better after that upgrade. I ultimately reverted back to XP because the TV out got screwy when I closed the display while having a video playing on the TV. Certainly, it would do better with 2gb, but I'm too lazy to get to the other DIMM slot under the keyboard.

In the age where 300gb or larger hard drives are cheap, what is 10gb for your OS? I checked my Vista x64 installation and it's roughly that large, nowhere near 15gb. Also, compare to Mac OS 10.5's 11gb disk space usage right after installation. With all the stuff that is available to users, can't expect it to be a 2-3gb install anymore.

Finally, I don't have Vista tweaked in ANY of my systems and it runs perfectly fine. It likes RAM, so as a result, all the systems I keep Vista on have at least 2gb. Here's what I have it on for reference:

1. AMD Phenom x4 9600, 2gb PC2-6400, 2x 300gb Seagate SATA-2 hard drives, 2x ASUS Radeon 4850

2. Intel Pentium D 805, 3gb PC2-5300, 2x 160gb Western Digital SATA hard drives, Connect3D Radeon x1950GT

3. AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 2gb PC3200, 2x 300gb Seagate ATA hard drives, Radeon x800 Pro AGP


Strangely enough, I'm sure we heard all the same crap about 2000 and XP being bloated pieces of crap when they came out, yet now they're embraced as being thin, etc. compared to the newer OS release. Vista likes RAM, yes, but it's hardly anything like Windows Me.

And BTW, before I get accused of not having the qualifications/experience, I've been working with PCs since the MS-DOS 3.3 and very early Windows days (yes, I witnessed Windows/286 and Windows/386). I also helped run the family business alongside my father for 12 years putting together and diagnosing computers. I currently work for a small company in San Diego as a software developer coupled with system administrator responsibilities.

[caveman-jim]

Vista x64 is more compatible than XP x64. XP x64 cannot run games in DirectX 10.

Vista is more feature rich than XP, with more included technologies (Media Center, etc.) and so has a larger install footprint. Installing XP on a 20Gb HD and using 3Gb is 15% of available space. Installing Vista on an 80Gb HD and using 15Gb is ~19% of the available space. A 4% increase of installed space granting you DirectX 10, Media Center, .NET Framework, IE7, SuperFetch, Aero, Sidebar, Indexing, WDDM Driver model, etc... seems like a fair trade.

[ChrisW77]

HOLY ESO ISSUE BATMAN! You claim to be in IT and yet you use a system so underpowered it is like hamsters instead of a battery and this is your claim for why Vista 64 is no good?

Where in my posts does it say ANYWHERE, that I sell these ? So, more crap you like to make up as you go along. These laptops are popular with people who just walk into PC World and pay for them like buying a loaf of bread. Nothing to do with me, I just help some of them poor buggers that are stuck with Vista.

Then perhaps you need to learn how to convey that instead of acting like you don't know what they are. Superfetch is that thing you mentioned seemed to be doing it's own thing in the background that you whined about? Hmmmm, I'm left with the impression you DIDN'T know what Superfetch was by your own words. And complaining about the size of the Ultimate version seems ridiculous considering it's MEANT to be huge, it's ULTIMATE!!! What part of that word doesn't make sense to you?

Ultimate means Last, Final, Resolve, nothing to do with Huge, Massive, Bloated. As for the rest of your post, oh dear.

Really? A few hundred? I'd like to see that list. I think your full of crap. There's not even 100 yet. Liar.

Try Tweakvista.com, as a start.

Yes, you are, we can tell...

Ooo, a master of quoting out of context.

I'm more likely to know what a vanilla install is then you are to be able to tell the difference between apples and oranges apparently

Really, thats provided you know what the word Vanilla means.

something a PROFESSIONAL would know.

If a "Professional" switched UAC off in a IT department, he would be fired quicker than you looking up the word vanilla.

one attacking originally with your hateful post about Vista and "Why anybody would use this oversized turd of an OS" as you called it

But I attacked noBODY, just an OS. If I had jumped in & attacked a person directly, you would have a point. But, because of your incredibly thin skin, you went bat-s.h.i.t.e insane. I suppose if I attacked your favourite colour, or an American car, you would go off on one as well. I'd say you're a little bit mentally unstable. Just like the ones on this board who go all defensive over a Red Videocard. Pathetic.

Funny thing is, all you did was show you have no clue about it whatsoever and destroyed what little credibility you had with your flip flops.

Oh no, not the credibility on a interweb forum. I hope you realize, I really couldn't give a flying toss about my "Credibility", or some e-penis-waving Rep system for people with a small penis. I don't know any of you, and don't really care, or give a crap to know any of you. When the PC is switched off at night, the last thing on my mind isn't the welfare of a few plebs on a forum.
I'm amazed you haven't added me to your Ignore list, yet. Am I not special enough for that list ?

[Destroy]

Gave Vista a try over the last several days, I like it more than winXP. Sure may be more bloated but it also is much more feature rich and user friendly.

My next soon reformat will still be dual boot but primary will be Vista64 and have a secondary of winXP32 for those few troubled programs or older games.

[Stingray]

My next soon reformat will still be dual boot but primary will be Vista64 and have a secondary of winXP32 for those few troubled programs or older games.

Ya I agree the optimum solution for power users is and always will be double or triple-booting. If you want it ALL, install it ALL.

[Medion]

Mosh, I gave up on Chris, and I'd recommend you consider the same approach. The guy lacks intelligence. Probably a janitor at some electronics store, so thinks he's an expert, or "IT."

[Anth Seebel]

LOL Good work and well said Chris.

[moshpit]

Where in my posts does it say ANYWHERE, that I sell these ? So, more crap you like to make up as you go along. These laptops are popular with people who just walk into PC World and pay for them like buying a loaf of bread. Nothing to do with me, I just help some of them poor buggers that are stuck with Vista.



Ultimate means Last, Final, Resolve, nothing to do with Huge, Massive, Bloated. As for the rest of your post, oh dear.



Try Tweakvista.com, as a start.



Ooo, a master of quoting out of context.



Really, thats provided you know what the word Vanilla means.



If a "Professional" switched UAC off in a IT department, he would be fired quicker than you looking up the word vanilla.



But I attacked noBODY, just an OS. If I had jumped in & attacked a person directly, you would have a point. But, because of your incredibly thin skin, you went bat-s.h.i.t.e insane. I suppose if I attacked your favourite colour, or an American car, you would go off on one as well. I'd say you're a little bit mentally unstable. Just like the ones on this board who go all defensive over a Red Videocard. Pathetic.



Oh no, not the credibility on a interweb forum. I hope you realize, I really couldn't give a flying toss about my "Credibility", or some e-penis-waving Rep system for people with a small penis. I don't know any of you, and don't really care, or give a crap to know any of you. When the PC is switched off at night, the last thing on my mind isn't the welfare of a few plebs on a forum.
I'm amazed you haven't added me to your Ignore list, yet. Am I not special enough for that list ?

Your points are too weak and unfounded to warrant ignore. And your less then well thought out points are a joke. You don't work in IT and it's plain for all to see (All but Anth who isn't exactly somebody you WANT on your side).

You've done nothing to prove your points and everything to prove mine. When you actually learn how to back your points up with real facts, we'll continue this then. Until then though, debating with you is too much like clapping with one hand...

[seeker010]

I've been running Vista for the last few weeks because... well dual booting is a pain and I'm mostly working with VMs anyway. someone have that link that tells you how to prevent Vista's explorer from thinking it's smarter than you and changing your detail columns and folder views?

[stormy13]

Here you go,

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/70819-windows-explorer-folder-view-settings.html

[Stingray]

A little off-topic but might be useful:

Free software for Vista 64:

http://www.vistax64.com/software/115872-free-software-list-vista.html

[Anth Seebel]

Your points are too weak and unfounded to warrant ignore. And your less then well thought out points are a joke. You don't work in IT and it's plain for all to see (All but Anth who isn't exactly somebody you WANT on your side).

You've done nothing to prove your points and everything to prove mine. When you actually learn how to back your points up with real facts, we'll continue this then. Until then though, debating with you is too much like clapping with one hand...

Nothing unexpected here, same one eyed dribble wrapped in insult, gee I wish I was as mature as mosh. ROFL.