THE ULTIMATE 64bit vs 32bit vs XP vs VISTA thread!!!!

[stormy13]

im sitting at 15.3GB

And you will find most of that is in two folders, winsxs and System32\DriverStore. Want to trim it down some, use vlite and remove all drivers for hardware you don't have (just the printer drivers alone are around 800 MB).

[ChrisW77]

Are you freaking serious!? You claim to be in IT, but don't understand how Vista works, and then slam someone for trying to help you? Are you really in IT? I don't believe you.

That hard drive thrashing and high memory usage is called Superfetch, and you can turn if off. It pre-loads apps into memory, but releases it when you need memory for an active application. Load times for commonly used applications plummet from this feature. Check this out.

http://futuremark.yougamers.com/foru...ad.php?t=72298

Bottom of the first post shows the comparison with superfetch on and off. Also, my installation takes up far less than 15GB, so turn off system restore if the "installation size" bothers you.

I don't understand ? I don't understand, what ? What are you on about ?
What the flying F*ck are you on about ?
Seriously, WTF are you going on about !!!!!!!!!
Your "Reply", is the reply of a mumbling fool.

[Medion]

Hey medion whats the size of your windows folder for vista? im sitting at 15.3GB

9.25GB.

I don't understand ? I don't understand, what ? What are you on about ?
What the flying F*ck are you on about ?
Seriously, WTF are you going on about !!!!!!!!!
Your "Reply", is the reply of a mumbling fool.

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh man. For a second, I thought you were serious, but now I see that you were just playing dumb

[chadro]

I'm surprised that ANYONE would want a 15Gb, bloated, DRM-filled TURD of an OS on their machines.
For me, XP64 does everything I want it to. Fast, extremely stable and compatible, low mem usage, and only 1Gb on my HD with SP2 and a bit of nlite magic.
Vista Ultimate 64 (what I'm currently testing), is freaking HUGE. What the hell takes up 15Gb ? All that pointless eye candy, no doubt. Even with SP1 installed, it just seems to be a huge annoyance to use, with huge amounts of memory taken up, and for no apparent reason whatsoever.
And WHY, for the love of some deity, does it seem to just do "Things" on it's own ? What the flying c*nting claptrap is it freaking doing, even when it's idle ? I come back after making a coffee, and it's pissing around with something, taking a fair chunk of CPU usage, idling ? Theres no net access going on, a whole heap of HD access that just goes on and on and on.

Maybe, eventually I'll like it, probably more when I'm FORCED to use it for DX10. But for now, I see zero reason to even bother.

thread ressurection!!!!! but perhaps "trusted installer" was running your cpu usage in havok! It does that to me sometimes when im watching a movie on WMP. Otherwise i have 700 MB used out of 2 GB idle.

On a lighter note the Windows 7 build 6519 was released......but dont ask.

[ChrisW77]

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh man. For a second, I thought you were serious, but now I see that you were just playing dumb

Jesus Christ, can you get anymore of a tool ?
Can you even read ?

but perhaps "trusted installer" was running your cpu usage in havok!

It's just a test, a vanilla install, straight from the box (as it were), with SP1 installed and all the windows updates it can find. Just like I originally posted, until a bunch of tools decided to attack me for having an opinion on their precious Vista. It's like someone walking straight into the Vista Masterbator's Club, full of "Gold" members, and those "special handshake" members. I mean, you even get the vibes from MS that they aren't quite happy about it, not quite 100%, and that Windows 7 couldn't come any quicker.
Heck, theres even a few things I like about it, such as leaving UAC on, for people I know that are new to computers.
Bitlocker Drive Encryption, great for laptops. But only available (I believe)to Vista Ultimate, and Bioses that support TPM. EFS, great for Page File encryption.

Early dislikes include, no fullscreen DOS and no NTVDM. I assume Dosbox works ok ? I don't see any options for 'Open With' ? I do a lot of XP video and sound stuff that benefits from 'Open With'.
Documents and Settings ? Trivial, I know, but I'll miss that.

[Medion]

Jesus Christ, can you get anymore of a tool ?
Can you even read ?

I'll repost, let's see if YOU can read

You said:

And WHY, for the love of some deity, does it seem to just do "Things" on it's own ? What the flying c*nting claptrap is it freaking doing, even when it's idle ? I come back after making a coffee, and it's pissing around with something, taking a fair chunk of CPU usage, idling ? Theres no net access going on, a whole heap of HD access that just goes on and on and on.

And I replied:

That hard drive thrashing and high memory usage is called Superfetch, and you can turn if off. It pre-loads apps into memory, but releases it when you need memory for an active application. Load times for commonly used applications plummet from this feature. Check this out.

http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72298

Bottom of the first post shows the comparison with superfetch on and off.

That should clear things up. If you still don't grasp it, well then, I guess you're just special

[Crisler]

Oh piss off, and quit patronizing people. I've been in IT longer than you've been alive sunny,

So exactly how long is that?

Vista, is a POS. Heck, ask MS about putting forward Windows 7, or even google it, probably to get over the embarrassment that is Vista.
Nobody on earth, can justify a 15Gb bloated memory eating monster, I don't care how many Bungholio points you get with your video card.
This is Windows ME, all over again.

Have you really even used Vista or ME for that matter? What a joke of a statement. Windows is without a doubt the MOST stbale OS release from SM to date. ME was a pure piece of crap. Vista's downfall was a group of supposed pundits that showed they really lack computer knowledge and some companies that where to lazy to make real drivers.

Also, you should ask people who have Vista Home Basic shoved on their new laptops, without any choice. I can guarantee you that 99% of them hate it and want XP back on. And it's got SOD ALL to do with "Learning".

99% you can guarantee that? Seriously? So the 100% customer approval rating my customers have with Vista right now is a fluke right? Or maybe it is because they have an IT person that know how to use a computer and can make Vista work for them? Or perhaps, just a wild guess, Vista works okay if you are willing to actually use it.

[ChrisW77]

That should clear things up

What, that you're a tool ? Glad we agree.

Have you really even used Vista or ME for that matter?

Ahh, the good old "Have you really used", argument, or lack of.

Vista's downfall was a group of supposed pundits that showed they really lack computer knowledge and some companies that where to lazy to make real drivers.

Really.

So the 100% customer approval rating my customers have with Vista right now is a fluke right?

100% ? I take it, you can back that up with solid FACTS.

[Crisler]

Sure i can, if you like I can try to get all the people I have installed Vista for to come to this forum and speak about the fact that they actuially like the way their computer works.

I do notice however that you failed to answer my question of how long you have been a tech?

I tell you what I do a live radio show and if you like you can come on the air and debate me on the virtues of Vista and give your examples of how it is like ME.

[caveman-jim]

What, that you're a tool ? Glad we agree.

Are you aware that personal attacks are prohibited by the Rage3D membership agreement, that you agreed to when you created your account? I have reported several of your trolling posts. You would be well advised to refrain from aggressive and anti-social behavior.

[Hidavi]

What a snitch

[ChrisW77]

Are you aware that personal attacks are prohibited by the Rage3D membership agreement, that you agreed to when you created your account? I have reported several of your trolling posts. You would be well advised to refrain from aggressive and anti-social behavior.

I never attacked ANYBODY, in my original post, I simply attacked Vista. I notice you failed to warn anybody but me, even though the attacks on me personally, came about after I made that post.
Having an opinion on a OS, does not make you a troll, it's called an opinion. Get over yourself.
And, if you don't like my posts, there is a thing in your profile called "Block User", so I suggest you start by using that. The same goes you the rest of you.

[cfsirl]

Oh piss off, and quit patronizing people. I've been in IT longer than you've been alive sunny, so don't go telling me to "Learn".
Vista, is a POS. Heck, ask MS about putting forward Windows 7, or even google it, probably to get over the embarrassment that is Vista.
Nobody on earth, can justify a 15Gb bloated memory eating monster, I don't care how many Bungholio points you get with your video card.
This is Windows ME, all over again.
Also, you should ask people who have Vista Home Basic shoved on their new laptops, without any choice. I can guarantee you that 99% of them hate it and want XP back on. And it's got SOD ALL to do with "Learning".

I don't understand ? I don't understand, what ? What are you on about ?
What the flying F*ck are you on about ?
Seriously, WTF are you going on about !!!!!!!!!
Your "Reply", is the reply of a mumbling fool.

Those are definitely attacks against another member.

As for Vista, the reasons the installation is much larger is because:
- Hibernate file that is equal to how much RAM your system has. This is created by default. This was not the case in XP.
- Windows swap file that usually gets to around 1 1/2 times the amount of RAM you have.
- Drivers, drivers, drivers. Vista has device drivers for many more devices, thus the Driver Cache folder is much larger, as mentioned in another post in this thread.

My installation is roughly 9-10gb, and considering the above, is not that bad. Just a small dent in my 600gb array. I also compare it to my Leopard install on my Mac Mini, which is roughly 11gb.

How big is your XP x64 SP2 installation WITHOUT nLite? It's convenient to compare apples and oranges and compare a customized and stripped installation to a stock one.

[Medion]

Guys, it's not worth arguing with him. He's demonstrated that he doesn't work in IT, and doesn't know jack about operating systems. He's also demonstrated a desire to lash out at those who try to help him.

Let him hang himself. Besides, it's not all bad. Janitors make good money these days, or so I'm told

[caveman-jim]

I guess we're safe from infractions seeing as Shrike's apparently taken the weekend off to partay.

so, ChrisW77, added to my ignore list (and I suggest you add me to yours, because Fu.ck you.)

[Hidavi]

[caveman-jim]

omg you're hilarious... or hairy assed

[Medion]

I guess we're safe from infractions seeing as Shrike's apparently taken the weekend off to partay.

so, ChrisW77, added to my ignore list (and I suggest you add me to yours, because Fu.ck you.)

Hey! Watch your fu.ck.ing language!!!

[Hidavi]

omg you're hilarious... or hairy assed

Ha! Reported your post! Now you're added to my ignore list. I suggest you do the same

[caveman-jim]

Hey! Watch your fu.ck.ing language!!!

sorry

Ha! Reported your post! Now you're added to my ignore list. I suggest you do the same

done deal.

[ChrisW77]

Guys, it's not worth arguing with him. He's demonstrated that he doesn't work in IT, and doesn't know jack about operating systems. He's also demonstrated a desire to lash out at those who try to help him.

Oh, you're soo hilarious. Don't give up that day job, eh Thats provided you actually know what a day job is, prick.

[Hidavi]

Thats it, time to bring out the peace pipe.

[chadro]

my thread lets get back on topic................so yea i still have 32 bit xp and vista installed on my main rig........still need an excuse to reformat and load 64 bits of xp and vista sauce.

[Crisler]

if you are going to go with 64 bit I would skip the XP flavor and go straight for the Vista X64 alone.

[Hidavi]

I never went with XP x64 before but I can tell you that Vista 64 runs like a dream with 4GB RAM. Just make sure you have at least a Core Duo to go with it and you'll be doin great.

[Stingray]

As for Vista, the reasons the installation is much larger is because:
- Hibernate file that is equal to how much RAM your system has. This is created by default. This was not the case in XP.
- Windows swap file that usually gets to around 1 1/2 times the amount of RAM you have.
- Drivers, drivers, drivers. Vista has device drivers for many more devices, thus the Driver Cache folder is much larger, as mentioned in another post in this thread.

- I disabled/deleted the hybernation file (which I think sits outside the Windows folder anyway).
- Windows swap file is outside the Windows folder.
- Agreed.

My Vista Business 64 SP1 folder is 13,9Gb, temp folder is also outside windows folder and it´s clean.

[Hidavi]

My hibernation is clean too and I only have a 7.8GB folder for Vista Ultimate 64. Why is my number so different from you guys?

[caveman-jim]

because you turned off superfetch?

[stormy13]

My hibernation is clean too and I only have a 7.8GB folder for Vista Ultimate 64. Why is my number so different from you guys?

This is one reason why,

ASUS G1S-X1 Notebook

Pretty safe to assume that Asus would use a custom install with all the un-necessary driver files removed for starters, and who knows what else removed.

Have a quick look at the DriverStore folder in the System32 folder and see how big it is; and the see how big the winsxs folder is. Those two folders alone on mine are close to 6.5 GB, and that was with removing a bunch of un-needed drivers with vlite before installing Vista.

because you turned off superfetch?

Doubtful unless there is someplace else other than the Prefetch folder that Superfetch uses. My Prefecth folder is all of 48 MB.

[Stingray]

This is one reason why,



Pretty safe to assume that Asus would use a custom install with all the un-necessary driver files removed for starters, and who knows what else removed.

Have a quick look at the DriverStore folder in the System32 folder and see how big it is; and the see how big the winsxs folder is. Those two folders alone on mine are close to 6.5 GB, and that was with removing a bunch of un-needed drivers with vlite before installing Vista.



Doubtful unless there is someplace else other than the Prefetch folder that Superfetch uses. My Prefecth folder is all of 48 MB.

Is there any way to remove the drivers safely AFTER?

[stormy13]

You can but you will need to take ownership of every folder you want to delete. Not only that but unless you know for sure what the specific folder is for (nvstor64.inf_d60ef370 for example is the NvRAID driver), then you are also going to have to go into each folder and check the INF and make sure it isn't something you actually need.

One more thing about vlite. Haven't kept up on it, but if you vilte a pre-SP1 Vista disk you cannot install SP1 after. You can however slipstream in SP! now and then make the changes with vlite after.

[Stingray]

Thanks.

[Medion]

So why is my Vista ultimate install only 9.25GB?

[stormy13]

So why is my Vista ultimate install only 9.25GB?

32 bit? If so you also don't have the SysWOW64 folder (almost 1 GB on mine), as well as no 64 bit files in the winsxs folder.

[Medion]

32 bit? If so you also don't have the SysWOW64 folder (almost 1 GB on mine), as well as no 64 bit files in the winsxs folder.

Thank you, +rep

[stormy13]

You're quite welcome.

Didn't think of it earlier but,



My 64 bit install on the left and the 32 bit install on my kids computer. Only thing really removed from both was the printer drivers (pretty sure there was more, but don't remember what right now), as well as slipstreaming SP1 into both.

[badboy]

vlite+usb stick = new fresh nice vista x64 sp1 install in 10 min

[Anth Seebel]

Oh piss off, and quit patronizing people. I've been in IT longer than you've been alive sunny, so don't go telling me to "Learn".
Vista, is a POS. Heck, ask MS about putting forward Windows 7, or even google it, probably to get over the embarrassment that is Vista.
Nobody on earth, can justify a 15Gb bloated memory eating monster, I don't care how many Bungholio points you get with your video card.
This is Windows ME, all over again.
Also, you should ask people who have Vista Home Basic shoved on their new laptops, without any choice. I can guarantee you that 99% of them hate it and want XP back on. And it's got SOD ALL to do with "Learning".

+rep. Nicely said.

100% agreed here, vista = bloatware.

[Stingray]

+rep. Nicely said.

100% agreed here, vista = bloatware.

You can´t expect OS instalation sizes to stay at 1Gb forever...

[Crisler]

I would be curious to see one of the real facts nuts do a little post showing a comparative.

For example when Windows 98 released what was the average new system (boxed) RAM size and HD size. Then look at XP when it was released and now Vista.

I am willing to bet that every year someone called it bloatware and now considers it slim and trim.