Opera 11 getting extensions!

[Ristogod]

http://www.dailytech.com/Opera+to+Fi...ticle19895.htm

I've heard more than one of you go on about how great Opera is, and frankly up to this point, I couldn't care less as I wanted the flexibility that Firefox brought with their extension model.

Now with Opera bringing that to the table, I may have revisit Opera and see what can be done with it. Honestly, what I'm looking for is basically LastPass support and Tab Mix Plus type support. (I'd ask for XMarks too, but now they are going out of business )

So I consider this very good news! I can't wait.

[ZeeM]

I don't know how good is that. Opera has 99% of what I need built in and is lightning fast so I never needed any extensions. Firefox has a lot of extensions and I use it a lot (web design job) but installing just a few of them kills performance and stability. I hope opera's support for extensions won't make them rely on 3rd party extensions for new features.

[metroidfox]

Yeah, Opera even acknowledges that this is more a gimmick, but it's one that, according to them, hurts their marketshare.

[Snarl]

I don't know how good is that. Opera has 99% of what I need built in and is lightning fast so I never needed any extensions. Firefox has a lot of extensions and I use it a lot (web design job) but installing just a few of them kills performance and stability. I hope opera's support for extensions won't make them rely on 3rd party extensions for new features.

Well said, Opera is a Great Feature rich Browser as is, I admit I'd like to add a few features to make it perfect i.e. Auto Hide Bookmarks Panel but I would not want to sacrifice the speed.

[GanjaStar]

meh, if they tiun it into a slow and crash prone browser that needs etensions for basic functionality, they might as well rename it firefox

[Perky McGiggles]

If Firefox is slow and crashes for you, then you're doing it wrong. Not even IE is that bad.

If Opera adds extensions such as ad block plus and no script I might consider it.

[ZeeM]

If Firefox is slow and crashes for you, then you're doing it wrong. Not even IE is that bad.

If Opera adds extensions such as ad block plus and no script I might consider it.

So I'm doing it wrong on every rig at work (6pcs) and at home, on every windows install for years Firefox really is the slowest modern browser with the exception of IE. Its pretty weird because a vanilla firefox with no extensions has no features and is useless, how come it is so slow?

[genci88]

So I'm doing it wrong on every rig at work (6pcs) and at home, on every windows install for years Firefox really is the slowest modern browser with the exception of IE. Its pretty weird because a vanilla firefox with no extensions has no features and is useless, how come it is so slow?

Yes, you are doing it wrong.

[ZeeM]

Yes, you are doing it wrong.

that's not what your mom said

[Perky McGiggles]

So I'm doing it wrong on every rig at work (6pcs) and at home, on every windows install for years Firefox really is the slowest modern browser with the exception of IE. Its pretty weird because a vanilla firefox with no extensions has no features and is useless, how come it is so slow?

Something is clearly wrong or you are heavily exaggerating.

[ZeeM]

It really is mang. Just compare it to opera, chrome, safari. It really is the slowest. Hopefully v4 will change that.

[Perky McGiggles]

I've tried all of them, and the speed difference really isn't noticeable for me.

Guess I must be the only exception to the rule, but FF has been stable and fast for me. It comes down more to preference in what you want from a browser anymore.

[LaRazaLaRoux]

hopefully this can make the opera torrent client more featured.
making the new dragonfly feature smooth on a 2.4ghz phenom is probably wishing for too much.

[ZeeM]

hopefully this can make the opera torrent client more featured.
making the new dragonfly feature smooth on a 2.4ghz phenom is probably wishing for too much.

dragonfly is meh
I still use firebug or chrome's dev tools. One thing I noticed though is that opera reports more js errors than the rest who keep being silent and wasting my time when i try to find a js bug.

[CyanBlues]

If Firefox is slow and crashes for you, then you're doing it wrong. Not even IE is that bad.

If Opera adds extensions such as ad block plus and no script I might consider it.

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but you can already ad block with their blocked site list that you download online?? http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/

or use the right click block content

and you can set site preference to block java script already with right click edit site preference etc

[@md_Guy]

......


but you can already ad block with their blocked site list that you download online?? http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/

or use the right click block content

and you can set site preference to block java script already with right click edit site preference etc

exactly, Opera has a LOT of features that other browsers need extensions for already built in.. some people are either to stupid or to totally inept to figure it out... I remember seeing people whine how opera didn't allow "monkey" scripts (greasemonkey) and how many years now has user.js been there ?? After all opera:config is just too much for people to comprehend... as well as per site permissions (script, blocking, language etc)

[metroidfox]

I would use Opera again if it worked with all websites. It unfortunately, doesn't.

[@md_Guy]

I would use Opera again if it worked with all websites. It unfortunately, doesn't.

they would if people learned to code their pages correctly.. I've done quite a bit of page development and anyone who is worth their salt should be testing with IE, Mozilla (FF, Seamonkey, Nutscrape, Camino), Webkit (Chrome, Safari) and Opera. The problem lies with lazy coders who target the biggest piece of the pie (IE for the greater part of the last decade) and leave it there.

[LaRazaLaRoux]

i don't really care.

rabbid firefox fans are some of the most annoying people on the 'net.

it's like the new "i built my own computer". few seem to grasp any of the decent pro open source arguments.
IE has improved quite a bit, also.

[Ristogod]

rabbid firefox fans are some of the most annoying people on the 'net.

A long with a select few others....

[LaRazaLaRoux]

well many of them overlap. blackbird technically is firefox.

[Tizen]

A long with a select few others....

How long?

[saumilsingh]

Hopefully this doesn't make the devs stop coming up with innovative features and start relying on 3rd party extensions completely. Because so far every major innovation in browsers has come from Opera.

[Hyrax]

http://www.dailytech.com/Opera+to+Fi...ticle19895.htm

I've heard more than one of you go on about how great Opera is, and frankly up to this point, I couldn't care less as I wanted the flexibility that Firefox brought with their extension model.

Now with Opera bringing that to the table, I may have revisit Opera and see what can be done with it. Honestly, what I'm looking for is basically LastPass support and Tab Mix Plus type support. (I'd ask for XMarks too, but now they are going out of business )

So I consider this very good news! I can't wait.

I cant really think of an extension opera needs. besides maybe a better adblock solution.

[Elysian]

I would use Opera again if it worked with all websites. It unfortunately, doesn't.

Have you tried setting it to "Mask as Internet Explorer" on sites that don't work? It works 100% of the time for me because of that setting.

[metroidfox]

Have you tried setting it to "Mask as Internet Explorer" on sites that don't work? It works 100% of the time for me because of that setting.

Yes, I have. That's never worked for me.

[ZeeM]

I surf the most obscure sites ever and I never find any sites that dont work on opera except maybe once a year or something. People who claim that "sites dont work on opera" probably tried it once 10 years ago on opera 5/6.

[metroidfox]

I surf the most obscure sites ever and I never find any sites that dont work on opera except maybe once a year or something. People who claim that "sites dont work on opera" probably tried it once 10 years ago on opera 5/6.

I reinstalled it after reading Elysian's post. Doesn't work.

EDIT: most of the sites I'm talking about require private access, but if you want a public example of one, can you get wave.google.com to work properly?

[@md_Guy]

I reinstalled it after reading Elysian's post. Doesn't work.

EDIT: most of the sites I'm talking about require private access, but if you want a public example of one, can you get wave.google.com to work properly?

seems to work fine for me.. Opera 10.63 (3516)



Nice of Google to greet me with this :

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Open any Wave, it won't work.

[metroidfox]

Click on one of those waves and wait for the browser to finish loading. Still no issues?

Open any Wave, it won't work.

Good to know it's not only me who has this problem.

[@md_Guy]

Click on one of those waves and wait for the browser to finish loading. Still no issues?



Good to know it's not only me who has this problem.

Opera 11 ..



there seems to be a javascript or refresh issue at first, might want to submit a bugreport or alter site preferences.

Edit: Seems that Google has yet to add Opera support nd reports are they (Google) are using non W3C coding (take with grain of salt, reported on Opera Community) there is a work around using a user.js... more specifically http://my.opera.com/kamalesh/blog/20...or-google-wave

download the gwave.js, enable user javascript files as well as https opera:config or Menu > Settings > Preferences > Advanced > Content > Javascript ...

The short version of why you need this script is that Wave stores some state info in the location.hash value. But the browsers do different things for special characters in location.hash, Firefox seems to magically decode when getting, while WebKit browsers and Opera get it as is. And since Opera gets Firefox code path for this particular functionality it causes a number of issues.

from OperaDev:

Mostly JIT implementation bugs in 10.50. But Wave also depends on Error.stack support, while Futhark has Error.stacktrace in a different format (when enabled). Carakan introduces some support for Error.stack.

in response to question:
"So will support for wave will only be available with this script or is it planned to get it working with final 10.5 without this script?"

"That is somewhat up to Google. We have no plans to change the handling when reading location.hash with special characters as Opera, WebKit-browsers and IE currently agree on behavior, with Gecko as the odd one out.

If we have to, this can be included in the regular browser.js though, but given the preview nature of Wave we try to not be magical just yet"

Edit2
It's a work around until Google get's off their high horse/asses and works with opera or codes things a bit differently.. basic waves work but uploads not so.. Not to say that Opera is 100% w/o blame however the greater majority obviously falls with Google.

[ZeeM]

Meh Google is well known for never supporting Opera, besides, Mozilla and Google have business relationships since forever. Its not that they use standards that Opera doesn't support since it was always ahead of the others when comes to adopting new technologies and standards (eg. Opera passed each of the Acid tests 1 version or more before Firefox and even now Firefox cant pass the Acid3 test). Maybe if they tried to follow the standards a little bit everything would be much better.

[Elysian]

Google Wave sucks anyways, I wouldn't want to get it to work.

[[email protected]]

BTW not sure if I missed this or if anyone else may have too...



Yep.. you can FINALLY (officially) have a portable opera for the on the go types. maybe not exactly 100% clandestine but very nice indeed.

[Ristogod]

How long?

12 ft at least.

I cant really think of an extension opera needs. besides maybe a better adblock solution.

Adblock Plus - like you said, better adblock
Greasemonkey - I write scripts to enhance work web applications that are essential for my productivity needs
LastPass - Cross Browser Password management that is website accessible for when I can't install the extension
Tab Mix Plus - Opera falls short, really short, on how someone can customize tab usage
Web Developer Tools - maybe Opera already has this? I don't know honestly. But it's available in similar format for both IE and Firefox.

Also, I'd take any Cross Browser Bookmark synchronization solution. Now that XMarks seems to be dead, I've been funneled into a single browser solution that supports my other extension needs. Which is a bad thing for anyone doing any type of web development.

[ZeeM]

Adblock Plus - like you said, better adblock

I rarely use adblock because I like to support the sites that I visit. The very few times (like 5 in total) that I needed adblock because of very annoying ads, opera's built in adblock was enough.

Greasemonkey - I write scripts to enhance work web applications that are essential for my productivity needs

Opera has support for userjs since a few years back. A lot of greasemonkey scripts work on opera too.

LastPass - Cross Browser Password management that is website accessible for when I can't install the extension

Good luck sharing your passwords with an online service. It boggles my mind how people could do something like this.

Tab Mix Plus - Opera falls short, really short, on how someone can customize tab usage

Opera falls short? You do know that most things tab mix plus does opera had built in since years ago, back when people were still discovering Firefox 1 and getting hard over OMG IT GOT TABS
Yes it does have clone tab, lock tab, undo closed tab, private tab and it also shows when a tab has loaded (although it falls short in that it doesn't show a loading bar inside a tab). Also follower tabs where if you visit a link on one tab, it is also opened in the follower tabs.
One of the main reasons I liked opera in the first place, is that it has great tab management unlike most other browsers.

Web Developer Tools - maybe Opera already has this? I don't know honestly. But it's available in similar format for both IE and Firefox.

Opera has a full suite of development tools (dragonfly) although I still prefer firebug (and a few other tools) because I'm used to them. One thing firebug has above the rest, is that it shows all incoming/outgoing post/get requests. From time to time I also use Chrome's development tools since no dev tools are perfect.
Though what I like about opera's error console, is that it reports much more errors than those of the other browsers. It happens very very often that a js error breaks a page and firefox/chrome remain silent about it. This is when I open the page in opera and it I find it right away.

Also, I'd take any Cross Browser Bookmark synchronization solution. Now that XMarks seems to be dead, I've been funneled into a single browser solution that supports my other extension needs. Which is a bad thing for anyone doing any type of web development.

Also built in. You can synchronize not only bookmars between the desktop browsers but also from desktop to mobile versions and vice versa.

[@md_Guy]

12 ft at least.



Adblock Plus - like you said, better adblock
Greasemonkey - I write scripts to enhance work web applications that are essential for my productivity needs
LastPass - Cross Browser Password management that is website accessible for when I can't install the extension
Tab Mix Plus - Opera falls short, really short, on how someone can customize tab usage
Web Developer Tools - maybe Opera already has this? I don't know honestly. But it's available in similar format for both IE and Firefox.

Also, I'd take any Cross Browser Bookmark synchronization solution. Now that XMarks seems to be dead, I've been funneled into a single browser solution that supports my other extension needs. Which is a bad thing for anyone doing any type of web development.

Not sure what is soo bad about opera's built in block content ability.. you can block just about anything and everything using it using EXLCUDE lists.. to me it's about the most flexible (though not the most intuitive). For example 1st thing I do is right click a web page go to Source.. then Block Content .. Details and add any offending lines such as http://ads.*.com/, http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/*, http://*.com/scripts/*.. and so on (I always add *.intellitxt.com and *kontera.com/* to get rid of those annoying underline adds). Like I said not easiest but easily one of the more powerful. Over time as I add more and more sites etc to the list I send myself a copy of the irlfilter.ini to my gmail account as a backup, then if I ever need to install opera I drop it in my profile folder.

I don't know how many times I've heard people complain about greasemonkey scripts and still to this day haven't figured out that Opera indeed supports them (for the last how many years now and people still cant figure it out) ... Settings > Preferences... > Advanced > Content > JavaScript Options... and Opera's tab options may not be as extensive as other add ins, it's very customizable.. Settings > Preferences... > Advanced > Tabs (additional tab options). Opera can do much of what such add ins bring without the bloat and problems add ins bring along. For example from Wikipedia Tab Mix Plus
-Duplicates tabs (right click tab in opera .. Clone tab)
-Controls tab focus ( Settings > Preferences... > Advanced > Tabs ..)
-JavaScript decompiling (cant say I've come across that one before)
-Changes handling of input (Settings > Preferences > Advanced . Shortcuts )
-Reopen closed tabs and windows (that's been in opera since.. at least since 6 possibly earlier .. called Ctrl-Z, newest have a little trash bin icon for the keyboard shortcut impaired)
-Session Manager and Crash Recovery (another Opera original been around since almost forever.. hell you can create and save several different sessions Menu > Tabs and windows > Sessions ..)


As I said while opera may not cow-tow to everyday idiot out there that needs a candy covered UI with lots of icons, it amazes me that people complain about opera lacking in X or Y features when they have spent seemingly more time bitching than actually looking around and seeing for themselves. Hell Opera's not perfect, thats why as a developer I have at least 4 browsers installed at a time (and yes opera has quite a few developer orientated options ..Page > Developer tools).

EDIT lo I see Zeem beat me to it.. was typing and trying to feed cat and finish some chores at the same time around here)

[metroidfox]

One thing Opera needs is Firefox-like bookmarks with tags.

[Ristogod]

I rarely use adblock because I like to support the sites that I visit. The very few times (like 5 in total) that I needed adblock because of very annoying ads, opera's built in adblock was enough.

Yeah, on sites I frequently visit, I add those sites to the block list. I just prefer the extension in Firefox for adblocking.

Opera has support for userjs since a few years back. A lot of greasemonkey scripts work on opera too.

Sweet. That's good to know.

Good luck sharing your passwords with an online service. It boggles my mind how people could do something like this.

They've got this crazy new thing call encryption. Fantastic little concept. Anyways, has worked great so far.

Opera falls short? You do know that most things tab mix plus does opera had built in since years ago, back when people were still discovering Firefox 1 and getting hard over OMG IT GOT TABS
Yes it does have clone tab, lock tab, undo closed tab, private tab and it also shows when a tab has loaded (although it falls short in that it doesn't show a loading bar inside a tab). Also follower tabs where if you visit a link on one tab, it is also opened in the follower tabs.
One of the main reasons I liked opera in the first place, is that it has great tab management unlike most other browsers.

The tab management options in Opera are far better than other browsers, yes. But there are a few key settings I use in Tab Mix Plus that I haven't been able to replicate in Opera and they are the key features I make use of in that extension. I haven't tried Opera in about a years time however. So perhaps there are more options now. But I get tired of installing and uninstalling Opera all the time just to check what it does and doesn't have. I find it easier to just make comments and have the die-hard Opera fanatics point out it's features.

Opera has a full suite of development tools (dragonfly) although I still prefer firebug (and a few other tools) because I'm used to them. One thing firebug has above the rest, is that it shows all incoming/outgoing post/get requests. From time to time I also use Chrome's development tools since no dev tools are perfect.
Though what I like about opera's error console, is that it reports much more errors than those of the other browsers. It happens very very often that a js error breaks a page and firefox/chrome remain silent about it. This is when I open the page in opera and it I find it right away.

Yeah, I used to use Firebug and Developer Toolbar in Firefox. IE has their built-in development tool that is very similar to Firebug.

I haven't actually done any web application development in almost two years now however. I'm currently doing some desktop application work, which only really requires a good IDE like Visual Studio.

Also built in. You can synchronize not only bookmars between the desktop browsers but also from desktop to mobile versions and vice versa.

It's not Cross Browser. So it's worthless to me.

I think most people are convinced I think Opera isn't a good browser. And actually, I don't think that at all. I try it every so often with the hope of being able to switch to it. But it usually ends up just missing the mark in a few (and usually very few) spots and they are things I really care about. Honestly, if I could just get cross browser LastPass and bookmark synchronization, I would probably use it as my main browser. I would just learn to live with the Tab management differences.

Edit:

https://lastpass.com/support_faqs.ph...ebsite=1#opera

When will you support a browser extension for Opera?
Good news -- Opera recently announced that they will start supporting extensions in Opera 11. We have been in contact with them and are working closely to fix bugs and provide the core functionality that we will need for LastPass. As soon as Opera can support LastPass, we will release it. Stay tuned!

So, that being, I might eventually switch to Opera. Because of Xmarks leaving, I'm no worse off synching my bookmarks through Opera than I am through Firefox (neither are Cross browser).