Intel 13th Gen CPU thread

[acroig]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intels...-5950x-report/

[Hapatingjaky]

Get rid of those E-Cores and then we can talk.

[Nunz]

That's a big cache increase. Looks good I was hoping for 12 P-Cores, but that's alright. The Gracemont cores are faster than cores in previous generations, so I don't get the hate.

I think Intel is trying to keep the P-Cores down until they get more efficiency and reduce power consumption. That, or they are keeping high P-Core counts for the X series processors.

Regardless, don't really need more than 8 cores for games.

[Munkus]

Get rid of those E-Cores and then we can talk.

Show me on the dolly where the E-cores hurt you.

[acroig]

Show me on the dolly where the E-cores hurt you.

[Hapatingjaky]

Show me on the dolly where the E-cores hurt you.

[acroig]

ROFL!

[Munkus]

Gold!

[demo]

Nice cache bump, both AMD and Intel are definitely going in the right direction for gamers.

Yes, more than 8 p-cores aren't really needed for gaming but I'd much rather have a couple of extra p-cores, say 10 or 12 total, than 16 e-cores tacked on the side.. but less cores than the competition isn't good for marketing I suppose..

[the_sextein]

Rumors have been going around about a 100 watt power reduction combined with a 12% IPC boost and a 300mhz core clock increase. 8 more E cores are planned to be added as well.

The 12900KS is about 10FPS faster in games when compared to the 5950X but AMD is looking at a 20% IPC boost with a 500Mhz clock increase so I think the 13900K and 7950X will both be pretty close to one another when it comes to gaming. They are both going heavy on L2 and L3 cache.

It's possible a console could come out during the lifetime of these platforms that has more than 8 cores and if that happens I think AMD's extra big cores would probably give them an advantage. That sort of thing probably doesn't matter to some of us that upgrade every year but I'm the type that picks a platform for the long term and rides it for 4 or 5 years.

I'm not really sure about multi-threading. AMD is going to have the same threads and faster core clocks than Intel's E cores but Intel will have more cores with the same thread count. They will probably be pretty close but I'm having a hard time making an educated guess on the outcome. We should get more concrete info from all of the major tech giants over next weeks tech expo.

[acroig]

I think we're gonna have an epic battle later this year! Can't wait.

[the_sextein]

Yeah I'm not counting Intel out. It might be worth waiting a little longer if they offer similar gaming performance and notably better multithreading.

One thing that makes me think they might suprise us is that the 12900KS is trading blows in multithreading with the 5950X. That means it's smaller E cores are actually competing with AMD's big cores. AMD's extra speed and IPC will help them but I don't know if it will be enough to combat another 8 E cores.

For me, power consumption is not a big deal but heat is. I would really like to see a triple 140mm AIO keep these chips in the upper 70C range under full load. I'm tired of seeing 80C temps as the norm on these chips. The 12900KS hit 100C under full load and I won't be having any of that. If Daz studio kicks my video card out during an image series render for some reason, it could force my CPU to run at full force for 15 hours before I get home to stop it.

[KAC]

If both are on par then I am going Intel next round.

[Nunz]

Wattage isn't the issue with cooling the chips. Even "high" wattage on a CPU of 250w+ is well below what a 360mm rad can handle. It's the thermal density and limitations of the small die + IHS heat transfer.

I think we would see more success in cooling chips if we focused on a new way of lidding our chips, or went back to no IHS at all, as I've mentioned previously.

I'm curious if the added cache of Raptor Lake will alter the layering of the chip - Alderlake skimmed quite a bit of fat in order to assist in thermal transfer, but I'm curious if they can maintain that while added significantly more cache.

I expect Raptor Lake to be an OC monster if they truly pulled power consumption down so much.

[acroig]

https://wccftech.com/intel-raptor-la...-xtu-detailed/

[andino]

I've had good luck with Intel and VR. I'll more than likely stay Intel this next upgrade. But they have to make it worth the expense....

[demo]

6GHz! And more cache. Intel are throwing everything they have at it because they know AMD is bringing a monster to market.

I'll probably go intel again anyway next gen, I prefer the platform for various reasons.

[Nunz]

After the last round of rumors and what I've heard from a friend or two..

My hopes are not high.

[acroig]

https://www.techspot.com/news/94919-...nce-looks.html

[acroig]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/87128...rly/index.html

[acroig]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-...-october-2022/

[SubCog]

https://wccftech.com/intel-raptor-la...-xtu-detailed/

6ghz... geez that'll be pretty close to getting the original crysis running smoothly.

[acroig]

6ghz... geez that'll be pretty close to getting the original crysis running smoothly.

So I got some credit at MicroCenter and still tempted to get a 12700K and a Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite AX DDR4.

Someone please stop me!!!

[Nunz]

Don't bother

Wait for Z790 Boards. Also, stay the **** away from Gigabyte. Go MSI. ASUS boards are garbage this year and overpriced, gigabyte can't run DDR4 to save it's life, and ASROCK is ASRock.

MSI is miles ahead of everyone else this gen.

[curio]

Don't bother

Wait for Z790 Boards. Also, stay the **** away from Gigabyte. Go MSI. ASUS boards are garbage this year and overpriced, gigabyte can't run DDR4 to save it's life, and ASROCK is ASRock.

MSI is miles ahead of everyone else this gen.

You're building my next rig for me btw

[KAC]

Wondering if it will be worth upgrading given that I am not gaming at all these days.

[acroig]

Don't bother

Wait for Z790 Boards. Also, stay the **** away from Gigabyte. Go MSI. ASUS boards are garbage this year and overpriced, gigabyte can't run DDR4 to save it's life, and ASROCK is ASRock.

MSI is miles ahead of everyone else this gen.

Thanks bud, needed a slap on the face again. 😉

[Nunz]

You're building my next rig for me btw

Any time

Wondering if it will be worth upgrading given that I am not gaming at all these days.

I'm in the same boat. I barely use my PC lately.. so busy with house projects, work, etc. I still want to buy parts just because. Lol

Thanks bud, needed a slap on the face again. 😉

wait for Raptor Lake. Let the psychos like me stick to 12th gen and the shortcomings of weak IMCs lol

[Megaman]

wait for Raptor Lake. Let the psychos like me stick to 12th gen and the shortcomings of weak IMCs lol

Did you just call me a psycho? IM NOT A ****ING PSYCHO!!!!



Anyway, yeah hold off for Raptor Lake.

[acroig]

Roger that, standing by.

[Mangler]

It is a shame that z790/raptor lake will be the end of the ride for the socket unless this is the gen where intel changes its ways.

[acroig]

It is a shame that z790/raptor lake will be the end of the ride for the socket unless this is the gen where intel changes its ways.

It's dead after RL. Intel loves to do this.

[andino]

It's dead after RL. Intel loves to do this.

Doesn't AMD kind of do the same though? I mean, they say you can use the new CPUs on any of their older boards and that is true after a bios update. You can put a 5X00 series chip in a x300 series motherboard but then you lose out on PCI4 and other features.

I personally don't know if that is a good product design. I mean, yeah, it saves some money on a new motherboard but it doesn't run the part at optimal performance.

To me it's like buying a really cheap set of tires for a Porsche. Sure, they work but they take a sports car and turn it into a meh car....

[acroig]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-...n-7000-report/

[Nunz]

I mean.. AMD locked out their chips beyond two board releases so why is it a shocker if Intel does the same? Many boards made for Zen1 did not work with 3000 series.

Meteor Lake will be significantly different from Alder/Raptor. It'll need a new platform for those changes alone, afaik.

[Megaman]

I’m expecting Raptor lake to just be a refresh of Alder lake. Nothing exciting to look forward to. Same old story before a platform change.

[Nunz]

Should see clock gains and drop in power consumption.

I'm likely going to grab Raptor Lake and go with a DDR5 setup with a high-end mobo, and be done for a long time

[KAC]

Should see clock gains and drop in power consumption.

I'm likely going to grab Raptor Lake and go with a DDR5 setup with a high-end mobo, and be done for a long time

Not sure if serious…

[Nunz]

Not sure if serious…

Yeah my time of dropping big $$ on PC parts is coming to an end. Between house projects, more money in investments, etc.. just don't have as much time or interest the past year or two.

This next gen is my last big upgrade for a while.

[KAC]

Well I have been saying similar things for ages. Yet I end up spending dime. Still maintaining my principle of getting at least 2 years out of CPU upgrade.

So next upgrade possibility is Nov this year for me.