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    Intel still seems to be struggling versus AMD in multi-threaded workloads. 13900K at best only slightly beats 7950X in some work loads, while being way behind in others, but does so using insane power. So far the e-core thing doesn't seem to be working out that well for Intel, IMO.

    I guess it looks a bit better further down the line-up where they essentially have a core advantage versus AMD.
    Last edited by Nagorak; Oct 21, 2022, 11:49 PM.

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      Originally posted by Android1 View Post
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      Why so few? I don’t know. Time constraints maybe? I noticed something similar with the Ryzen 7000 Series launch. Certain CPUs in that product line were reviewed by more people than others.
      It actually takes a long time to review those chips. It's not like they run the benchmarks once and then record the totals. They run the benchmarks multiple times usually at different days and then take the averages as the 'totals'. Sometimes on multiple samples of the same chip type to make sure they are getting good averages.

      And that's not even messing with Bios settings. Each setup that they test gets tested multiple times.

      If it's done right, it is a lengthy process.

      I think Tech Jebus said that it took multiple people a week solid to get the 7950x review done at the end of that chips review.

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        Originally posted by andino View Post
        It actually takes a long time to review those chips. It's not like they run the benchmarks once and then record the totals. They run the benchmarks multiple times usually at different days and then take the averages as the 'totals'. Sometimes on multiple samples of the same chip type to make sure they are getting good averages.

        And that's not even messing with Bios settings. Each setup that they test gets tested multiple times.

        If it's done right, it is a lengthy process.

        I think Tech Jebus said that it took multiple people a week solid to get the 7950x review done at the end of that chips review.
        Good info, thanks. The various tech sites and channels must have believed that the 13900K and 13600K would generate the most interest.

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          Originally posted by Nagorak View Post
          I guess it looks a bit better further down the line-up where they essentially have a core advantage versus AMD.
          Right, 13600K. And I see a lot of people touting how big of a win this is.

          I don't get it. If multi-core workloads is your thing would you buy a 13600K? Seems like your target user would be going for more cores in the first place at which point Intel's advantage more or less evaporates.

          Could it be.. fanbois?

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            I think it's more of a value standpoint. Intel is offering really good low/mid-range value compared to AMD, especially with the ability to use DDR4.
            Originally posted by curio
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              Originally posted by Android1 View Post
              Good info, thanks. The various tech sites and channels must have believed that the 13900K and 13600K would generate the most interest.
              Those were the only samples that they were given by Intel.

              Intel didn't give any other chips out for the reviewers to review.

              Just those 2.

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                https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ra...des-i9-i5-only

                Raptor Lake Review Kit Revealed, Includes Only Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K

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                  Originally posted by andino View Post
                  Those were the only samples that they were given by Intel.

                  Intel didn't give any other chips out for the reviewers to review.

                  Just those 2.
                  The author of the Tom’s Hardware article speculated where potential 13700K might come from, and he appears to be correct. I just watched the first few seconds of the 13700K review from eTeknix on YouTube, and he said that they were able to "source" a "legit" sample of the chip. It must be the same with Windows Central and the others.

                  I just hope that these unknown sources are providing retail samples or review samples, not engineering samples. It’s probably best to take any early 13700K with a grain of salt.

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                    Originally posted by Android1 View Post
                    It’s probably best to take any early 13700K with a grain of salt.
                    100%.

                    Until mainstream third party reviewers get samples, it's totally grain of salt territory.

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                      Originally posted by andino View Post
                      100%.

                      Until mainstream third party reviewers get samples, it's totally grain of salt territory.
                      I just updated my review roundup with the note that we don’t know where the 13700Ks came from. Thanks. I will keep review sample sources in mind for the next time.

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                        So, is there a consensus on a good Z790 motherboard and DDR5 memory to pair with a 13600K?

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                          I like the MSI carbon. It doesn't break the bank and supports upto 7600mhz ddr5 which is higher than most other boards.
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                            EVGA Classified looks nice. They did the trick where they changed the CPU alignment to make the Ram closer like in the KingPin Dark motherboards.



                            It also has the sideways power connections.

                            If it had water cooling leads I'd have made a serious run at that MB.

                            Then I changed over to AMD.

                            But that was in my top 3 list.

                            The other was the Asus Hero and the MSI Ace.

                            EDIT: That Evga Classified also has a thicker PCB. Which I always like.

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                              Originally posted by Exposed View Post
                              So, is there a consensus on a good Z790 motherboard and DDR5 memory to pair with a 13600K?
                              The Gigabyte board with the 6GHz overclock a couple cores feature certainly grabs my attention.
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                                Thanks for the suggestions. Seems alot of these boards aren't even available yet.

                                Hopefully there will be plenty of inventory in time for Black Friday/ Cyber Monday.

                                If anything if I even see a good deal on a 12900k/12700k DDR4 combo I'll jump on that and wait another generation. Right now though the price on 13600k is pretty damn good, it's just the other parts that go with it aren't, especially price wise.

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                                  Originally posted by Exposed View Post
                                  Thanks for the suggestions. Seems alot of these boards aren't even available yet.

                                  Hopefully there will be plenty of inventory in time for Black Friday/ Cyber Monday.

                                  If anything if I even see a good deal on a 12900k/12700k DDR4 combo I'll jump on that and wait another generation. Right now though the price on 13600k is pretty damn good, it's just the other parts that go with it aren't, especially price wise.
                                  A few days ago the EVGA Z690 Dark Kingpin was on sale for $500. That is a great last gen motherboard. It's back up to $830 now but I'll bet that they put it back on sale before christmas.

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                                    Originally posted by andino View Post
                                    A few days ago the EVGA Z690 Dark Kingpin was on sale for $500. That is a great last gen motherboard. It's back up to $830 now but I'll bet that they put it back on sale before christmas.
                                    Even $500 is a bit much for a motherboard, I'm hoping there's eventually a $300 variant or less. Just the basics.

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                                      Wow just noticed the high TDP requirements for these 13th gen CPU's - I'm sure my lil Geminii M4 won't do too good with that CPU. I may need to step down to the non-K version or somehow fit an AIO in my Silverstone GD09b HTPC case...

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                                        It would do fine if you're gaming
                                        Originally posted by curio
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                                          Originally posted by Exposed View Post
                                          Even $500 is a bit much for a motherboard, I'm hoping there's eventually a $300 variant or less. Just the basics.
                                          Look into the EVGA Classified then. It's a nice motherboard. It went on sale a few days ago too. Can't remember what the price was on it. It's original price is $630. I want to say that it was in the $350 range on sale.

                                          It's WAY overbuilt for what you get.

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                                            Originally posted by andino View Post
                                            Look into the EVGA Classified then. It's a nice motherboard. It went on sale a few days ago too. Can't remember what the price was on it. It's original price is $630. I want to say that it was in the $350 range on sale.

                                            It's WAY overbuilt for what you get.
                                            Is that for the Z690 or Z790? I know they announced the Z790 classified but it doesn't seem to be for sale anywhere.

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                                              It's not available yet. Haven't seen an official release date either. I'd expect 1-2 months following the initial Intel launch, so hopefully before Xmas.
                                              Originally posted by curio
                                              Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
                                              "If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn Monbroe

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                                                Ah I see. I'm in no rush anyways, but I'd like to see something for Black Friday / Cyber Monday since it's historically when I do my PC upgrades.

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                                                  I ended up just buying these parts:

                                                  PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WTC3Mb

                                                  CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($300.00 @ Amazon)
                                                  CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.98 @ Amazon)
                                                  Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($199.99 @ B&H)
                                                  Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory ($162.99 @ Newegg)
                                                  Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ Amazon)
                                                  Total: $797.94
                                                  Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
                                                  Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-13 15:28 EST-0500


                                                  Should have everything by Friday. Decided the Z790 wasn't worth the premium over the Z690 right now. I can always upgrade to faster DDR5 memory down the road when prices drop further. The Kingston SSD is just to store Windows and small apps, I will be bringing over my existing two SSD's over that contains my steam/game pass/epic/origin libraries. When 4TB SSD's drop in price I'll eventually get one of those as well to house my main libraries.

                                                  This should be good for my dedicated living room gaming PC for at least 3 years. My i7 8700 lasted me quite a while but i think I'm gonna go a 3 year upgrade cycle here on out, keeping to the i5 or i7 series whichever brings the best bang for buck at the time. My RTX 4090 should keep me happy with 4k gaming for quite some time, really pairs well with my 65 LG C2 OLED especially with HDR gaming.

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                                                    Very nice!

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                                                      Originally posted by acroig View Post
                                                      Very nice!
                                                      Thanks yo!

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                                                        I don't know whose balls I rubbed wrong but I had some pretty bad luck with this build. Spent an entire day trying to figure out why my 4090 was not being recognized until eventually realizing the pcie5 slot was dead. pcie3 slot does recognize it but it's at gen 3 4x speed, so completely useless for gaming unless I wanna play at 3070 speeds. Strange thing is it seems to be a common issue with the pcie5 slot and not just with MSI, and the cause could be anything on the MB to the CPU itself. Updated Bios, swapped cards, did everything reddit told me to do.

                                                        Determined it was simply a defective board. To top it off I accidentally bent the CPU pin on the mb side so its useless anyways now. Going to RMA the board. Now considering just getting a Strix Z790 board and i7 13700k (returning the 13600k). Strix also has reports of pcie5 slots not recognizing the GPU but I guess lightning can't strike twice can it.

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