Intel 12x00 series Alder lake

[Nunz]

The board may just auto-adjust the SA voltage for you automatically with XMP enabled now

[Megaman]

Crashed in WD Legion using XMP II. Loads of people complaining on reddit and ASUS forums.

Looking at the boards compatible memory, my F4-3200C14D-16GTZR doesn't appear in there. I guess I'll need to wait for more memory support/BIOs update to come out for an official fix. Will up SA and DRAM voltage if issue persists.

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/ro...esk_qvl_memory

So after almost one year, (I have been monitoring the ASUS memory compatibility website with every BIOS release) the Strix z690 A Gaming now supports my DDR 4 CL14 memory


Looks like I should be able to revert the SA VID voltage offset. I might be able to go back it play around with XMP I this time since I couldn't be arsed previously.

Might do some benching again for shits and giggles

[digitalwanderer]

Is this a "OMG they can haxor the 12th gen now!" or a "Cool we can play around with the 12th gen bios!" kind of thing? I'm really not sure.

[Android1]

Intel Confirms "Alder Lake" BIOS Source Code Leak, New Details Emerge

The person or organization behind the hack remains unknown.

We recently broke the news that Intel's Alder Lake BIOS source code had been leaked to 4chan and Github, with the 6GB file containing tools and code for building and optimizing BIOS/UEFI images. We reported the leak within hours of the initial occurrence, so we didn't yet have confirmation from Intel that the leak was genuine. Intel has now issued a statement to Tom's Hardware confirming the incident:

"Our proprietary UEFI code appears to have been leaked by a third party. We do not believe this exposes any new security vulnerabilities as we do not rely on obfuscation of information as a security measure. This code is covered under our bug bounty program within the Project Circuit Breaker campaign, and we encourage any researchers who may identify potential vulnerabilities to bring them our attention through this program. We are reaching out to both customers and the security research community to keep them informed of this situation." — Intel spokesperson.

The BIOS/UEFI of a computer initializes the hardware before the operating system has loaded. Among its many responsibilities, the BIOS establishes connections to certain security mechanisms, like the TPM (Trusted Platform Module). Now that the BIOS/UEFI code is in the wild and Intel has confirmed it as legitimate, both nefarious actors and security researchers alike will undoubtedly probe it to search for potential backdoors and security vulnerabilities.

Source: Tom’s Hardware

[acroig]

Unify-X is in. Kingston RAM is here, but will test this TeamGroup one more time with the 1DPC board.

I'm back on my 12700K, seems like it survived the ASUS massacre. I'll buy a 13900K on release and keep the board and RAM. Easy upgrade and I'll be done for a long while.

The ACE was nice, but this Unify-X is even sexier if you ask me. All blacked out, no RGB.. just how I like it

Nice! Glad the CPU survived it, can't wait to see the upcoming Intel/AMD match.

[Nunz]

Unify-X is in. Kingston RAM is here, but will test this TeamGroup one more time with the 1DPC board.

I'm back on my 12700K, seems like it survived the ASUS massacre. I'll buy a 13900K on release and keep the board and RAM. Easy upgrade and I'll be done for a long while.

The ACE was nice, but this Unify-X is even sexier if you ask me. All blacked out, no RGB.. just how I like it

[KAC]

I would stop using a loop if you will be changing parts often.
Also try to wait out if you can as new stuff is only 1 month away? New graphics parts are 2 months away.

Something to consider. Team group is bottom of the barrel products so not surprised you are facing this.

[Nunz]

Ah, gotta love it. Returning this board and memory, along with the Seagate Firecuda. I already knew 4-DIMM boards struggled with DDR5, but I didn't know it was this bad. The heatspreaders on the TeamGroup memory seem awful too; hitting 48-50c on the memory at only 1.32v. The sticks feel very flimsy, as if they're mostly plastic and not aluminum/copper.

Can't stabilize XMP without bumping voltages up, and even then, I'm not sure it's stable. After installing Windows and getting everything set up, the memory corrupted my install in the matter of an hour LOL. Had to reformat AGAIN..

I have to break my loop down again to swap the board out. I have an MSI Unify-X on the way and Kingston Fury Renegade 6400 coming too. Don't know when the memory will be here, but the board will be here Wednesday. Likely won't have the system up until first week of September or so.

Going to test the 12900K for OC potential before I pull the board for it's return. If the 12900K is a bad bin (and my 12700K isn't damaged), it's going back to MC as well. That would mean I'd return every part I purchased yesterday.

I don't know. Horrible luck with PCs lately. I'm about to sell this entire system and buy a gaming laptop lol

[Nunz]

I don't think $297 is too bad for memory. You could save even more - I got very close to the top-end bin of memory .. that's pretty great. You could easily grab 4800-5600 DDR5 for ~$200. I think the pricing is pretty solid right now.

Part of me believes that's due to new, faster RAM chips coming out in the near future. Apparently, there's a new Hynix chip that is acting much like DDR4 Samsung B-Die, where they scale extremely well with voltage.

[acroig]

Got the ACE open-box for $480, CPU was $499 but with combo deals it was down to $450 I believe, and the RAM was $297 -- which was truly a steal at that price for Hynix chips.

Oh wow, good savings there. Nobody beats MC for CPU/Mobo combos.

I really hope RAM prices come down next couple of months.

[Nunz]

$1,250 pre tax for CPU, Mobo, RAM.

Got the ACE open-box for $480, CPU was $499 but with combo deals it was down to $450 I believe, and the RAM was $297 -- which was truly a steal at that price for Hynix chips.

[acroig]

Cheap out is relative. Value for money is where I play.

Your system specs would suggest otherwise. No threat of harm intended.

[KAC]

Cheap out is relative. Value for money is where I play.

[acroig]

Well we can't accuse Nunz of being a cheapskate lol

Nice parts man!

$1,250 pre tax for CPU, Mobo, RAM.

[KAC]

Well we can't accuse Nunz of being a cheapskate lol

Nice parts man!

Sorry for your loss.

Wut? I thought AM5 was supposed to be compatible with AM4 coolers? I was planning on moving my EK right over to AM5 no kit needed to make it work.

You never know. Technically the current AIOs were also compatible with the 12 series of Intel.

[Nunz]

I will say this.. the TUF and 12700K was one of the few times I went cheap.

Never again.

But I'm also thinking this will be one of the last times I touch the PC outside of loop maintenance for a very long time. I just have too many other things going on and big changes coming up

[Riptide]

Well we can't accuse Nunz of being a cheapskate lol

Nice parts man!

Sorry for your loss.

Will need a new AIO and other crap as well. Just not feeling the urge this time. Maybe it changes when the products are actually available.

Wut? I thought AM5 was supposed to be compatible with AM4 coolers? I was planning on moving my EK right over to AM5 no kit needed to make it work.

[acroig]

Full disclosure, I had lightning strike very near the house. Despite a TripLite Line Conditioner and a TripLite Surge Protector dedicated just for the PC, I still received a *pop* sound through my Klipsch desktop speakers. Nothing tripped or seemed funky, I just turned the PC off and unplugged everything from the wall.

System was fine for a day or two and then it seems to have imploded.

[KAC]

That sucks balls.

On SSD, I am using Crucial and Corsair products and they seem reliable enough. I would also go for WD or Corsair over Samsung. Same or better speed with less heat. Samsung 980 Pro is just trouble.

I will wait until platforms stabilize before I indulge as well. The 5900x is pumping games fine and I don’t want to rebuild a system either. Will need a new AIO and other crap as well. Just not feeling the urge this time. Maybe it changes when the products are actually available. Seems like supply won’t be problem this time.

[Nunz]

Nope. Ran to Microcenter, but didn't want to have to make two trips if the chip is damaged too. I had no way of knowing..

12900K, MSI Z690 MEG ACE, Team Group TFORCE 6200CL38 DDR5, and a Seagate Firecuda 530 1TB.

The Firecuda is going back. Two stripped screws on a brand new SSD.. just going to get another Samsung if I can't revive the one I have. New board and chip doesn't see it in the BIOS either, but I'm hoping maybe I can get it detected elsewhere and wipe the drive. The worst part of it is that my old PCIE3.0 Crucial drive is old as hell but still pumping.

Had to drain my entire loop, so spent hours doing all the maintenance. Just finally got first boot and good post. Currently downloading a Win11 ISO on my USB drive to install Windows.. then need to flash latest BIOS on the board.

If this 12900K is a good chip, I'll keep it. If not, will pop the 12700K back in and test it. If my 12700K works fine, I'll return the 12900K.

I'm skipping Raptor Lake and Zen4, if it wasn't obvious... lol. I've had some really shitty luck with PCs it seems.

Full disclosure, I had lightning strike very near the house. Despite a TripLite Line Conditioner and a TripLite Surge Protector dedicated just for the PC, I still received a *pop* sound through my Klipsch desktop speakers. Nothing tripped or seemed funky, I just turned the PC off and unplugged everything from the wall.

System was fine for a day or two and then it seems to have imploded.

[acroig]

**** Nunz, that totally sucks.

Resetting all to default has no effect I take it?

[Megaman]

**** man that sucks balls.

I dread getting into that sort of situation. It’s the worst.

[Nunz]

My Z690 TUF died last night. Can't get into BIOS 90% of the time, just hangs w/ green "Ready" light. One of my SSDs is no longer being detected as well.. ****ing ASUS.

Hoping my SSD wasn't fried by the board. Seems like the CPU and RAM are OK. Occasionally I will get my OS SSD detected and can get into Windows, in which case the system runs (mostly) fine, but will crash eventually even at stock.

I've had terrible luck past two systems. My MSI Z490 ACE died too - confirmed it was the board when I rebuilt it for a buddy with exact same hardware just with the replacement board.. been running great ever since.

Can't catch a break lol

My Samsung 980Pro OS SSD is confirmed dead as well. You've gotta be kidding me. How is it so hard to make reliable products?????

[Nunz]

I'm still on BIOS 0807. I don't like any of the new BIOS releases.. I've tested them all extensively. Haven't tried 1720 or 1601. I found that many of them performed worse. I have this strange issue where all of the newer BIOS give me 90-100sec Y-Cruncher 2.5b times, while the older BIOS' give me ~70-75.

If you don't have any issues with what you're using, I'd leave it alone. Many of the newer BIOS have given people fits with memory compatibility in Gear1.

[Megaman]

ASUS bios 1720 is out. Any improvements Nunz? I skipped the previous one coz who cares about just new Intel cpu support

[andino]

Meteor lake is where it’s at!

2024. Ugh....

[Megaman]

Meteor lake is where it’s at!

[demo]

Honestly I might even skip this gen. Current CPU going just fine plus pcie4 support.

[KAC]

Buying a putter now with old tech is not the most intelligent thing to do…

[acroig]

Ok thanks, I guess I will revisit this in a month or two when prices (hopefully) come down. I'll also spend a bit more on the next gen chips if they prove to be quite a bit faster than Alder Lake. DDR5 does look to be what I should get as well and forget about DDR4, which is fine if memory and board prices eventually come down a bit.

Back to the cave I go...

There's also the new AMD CPUs coming in September.

[Exposed]

Ok thanks, I guess I will revisit this in a month or two when prices (hopefully) come down. I'll also spend a bit more on the next gen chips if they prove to be quite a bit faster than Alder Lake. DDR5 does look to be what I should get as well and forget about DDR4, which is fine if memory and board prices eventually come down a bit.

Back to the cave I go...

[Nunz]

No such thing as a DDR4/5 board.

Also not really any boards at $200 or less. There's too many expensive features on the chipsets these days to have prices that low, plus inflation adjustments and high demand.

The D15 coming with LGA1700 will depend on what production date you end up getting. If it's a newer one, then it should have it. If it's older, then it won't. Afaik, it's as simple as an email to Noctua with proof of purchase and they'll ship you one for free.

Gigabyte is the one to avoid, yeah. ASUS is at least functional, but their pricing is terrible. MSI won this generation by a long shot, especially since ASUS halo OC board, the Apex, turned out to be broken from the factory and ASUS had to cancel production prematurely. It was so bad that they stopped doing RMAs and simply gave people full refunds.

[Megaman]

What princess said. DDR 4 Pins are different to DDR 5 so you’ll be locked in to DDR 4 if it’s ddr 4/5

[Seyiji]

Also what about this motherboard? Good replacement for the Asus Prime?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-Z690-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09GLD72QH

Supports both DDR4/DDR5 so I can upgrade to DDR5 later on.


Also the Noctua D15 says it has the LGA 1700 mounting kit but reviews seem to be mixed on whether it has or not.

Yeah no that listing is lying. Its either ddr4 or ddr5 not both. Seeing as how it says DDR4 its probably a DDR4 version.

[Exposed]

Also what about this motherboard? Good replacement for the Asus Prime?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-Z690-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09GLD72QH

Supports both DDR4/DDR5 so I can upgrade to DDR5 later on.


Also the Noctua D15 says it has the LGA 1700 mounting kit but reviews seem to be mixed on whether it has or not.

[Exposed]

I guess I will wait a bit longer. Thanks guys

I have one NVME drive and the other two are SATA SSD's. Only a year old and 2.5 tb among the 3, the nvme is just a straight 512gb windows boot drive and the other two hold my steam/gamepass/epic/origin games.

The Prime is really a bad board? I thought Gigabyte was the one to avoid.

I really don't want to spend more than $200 for a motherboard, because it's just a MB after all. Don't even need wifi tbh. But it should have the fastest chipset for the CPU and decent expandability.

I'm hoping with the release of the 13 series that 12 series will have a nice discount. Or if AMD comes out with something good that's not too expensive I can consider that also, but I really prefer Intel builds especially since the 12 series are quite good.

If there's really a big performance difference between a 13700k and a 12700k especially with DDR5 then I may just have to go that route, but I'm also a cheap bastard these days so not sure how the two will reconcile.

[Nunz]

Except my money

We were early buyers and didn't know how bad it was. Looking back on it, I should have went MSI.

[Megaman]

Except my money

[Nunz]

DDR4 is already out of it's league.

The STRIX board is a joke for $465. For that price you could buy an MSI Unify DDR5 that absolutely obliterates it in build quality and features .. or even go a step further and grab an MSI ACE. Sticking to DDR4, you'd be better off with an MSI Edge WIFI.

ASUS is atrocious this generation. They don't deserve anyone's money.

[the_sextein]

high speed DDR 4 will keep up for a few years I think but DDR 4 will be outpaced pretty bad in two years and it will be a major bottleneck beyond 2 years. I have read that DDR 5 may drop in price once these new platforms launch and a large quantity of RAM is released into the market. The market is in the dumpster so we might see some decent prices soon.
EDIT:
I would not buy right now but if I did and wanted to go Intel and Asus I would buy the STRIX wifi E board for $465. It's 200 more but it would be worth it. Like Nunz said though, everything will be cheaper in in a month or two and much more powerful chips will be available in the same price range.