Intel 12x00 series Alder lake

[fO Che -USA-]

Went with the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus and the 12700KF. Keeping Gskill DDR4 3200 CAS 14 4x8GB sticks. Only a 120 EK AIO to cool it.

[Nunz]

120 AIO? Uhh.. I highly suggest upgrading. That's a lot of wattage for very little thermal dissipation. If you can't fit a bigger AIO, then a Noctua D15 air-cooler would be a better choice.

[fO Che -USA-]

Is it going to be a lot worse than a 5800X? Just wanna game, not planning on crunching numbers 24/7.

[KAC]

Is it going to be a lot worse than a 5800X? Just wanna game, not planning on crunching numbers 24/7.

Don’t think anything comes close to AMD thermals.

[Nunz]

Is it going to be a lot worse than a 5800X? Just wanna game, not planning on crunching numbers 24/7.

Might be OK for gaming .. I don't know anyone using a 12700K with a 120mm AIO.

ADL is very efficient in its power use in gaming, more so than Ryzen from what I've seen. They tend to suck up those big wattage numbers during encoding or workstation workloads.

Only one way to find out if it'll work or not.. send it

[AdamK47]

Bought mine on release day. 12900K, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, and 32GB DDR5 4800.

[KAC]

Bought mine on release day. 12900K, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, and 32GB DDR5 4800.

That's the stuff. Why only 4800 ram though?

[badsykes]

Might be OK for gaming .. I don't know anyone using a 12700K with a 120mm AIO.

ADL is very efficient in its power use in gaming, more so than Ryzen from what I've seen. They tend to suck up those big wattage numbers during encoding or workstation workloads.

Only one way to find out if it'll work or not.. send it

C'mon Nunz buy an ADL platform for yourself.You want one so much...

[Nunz]

C'mon Nunz buy an ADL platform for yourself.You want one so much...

I want the HEDT platform. Not really interested in the gimped mainstream stuff anymore.

[Nagorak]

FWIW your sticks are probably under warranty if you want to send them in for RMA.

[Nunz]

FWIW your sticks are probably under warranty if you want to send them in for RMA.

Yep, going through that process now. I'll probably sell them for cheap on here if anyone is interesting. 3200CL15. I'll likely test them as well just to see what the replacement pair is capable of.

[demo]

Bought mine on release day. 12900K, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, and 32GB DDR5 4800.

How do you like it? I take it the 4800 is just a place holder until something better is available.

How is cooling? And CPU-z bench?

[AdamK47]

That's the stuff. Why only 4800 ram though?

How do you like it? I take it the 4800 is just a place holder until something better is available.

How is cooling? And CPU-z bench?

That's all Micro Center had. Feel lucky enough to be able to buy any DDR5. There aren't any available right now. Bought two 16GB kits (4 x 8GB). Tweaked the primary and secondary timings. Will be getting 6000+ when available.



Running 5.2GHz all PCore and 5.3GHz on two PCore. 3.9GHz ECore and 3.7GHz L3/Uncore. Stable so far after running tests all day.

[acroig]

Very nice Adam, congrats.

[Arrowhead]

I picked up a 12900k and snagged the last Asus Z690 Maxipad Hero the other day. No idea when I'm going to score some good ddr5 around here. Also looking to pickup a Ryujin II 360 aio. Doesn't seem to have hit the streets here yet either. Not holding my breath with all of the supply chain chaos happening out west...

[pax]

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-12400-6-core-cpu-matches-the-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-in-pugetbench-benchmarks-little-i5-to-destroy-top-ryzen-5-in-perf-per/

New benchmarks of Intel's Core i5-12400 Alder Lake CPU have leaked out in PugetBench that show great performance per dollar against the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X.

Intel Core i5-12400 Alder Lake CPU Leaked Benchmarks Show That It Might Be The Budget PC King, As Fast As The AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Under $200 US
The Intel Core i5-12400 is going to be the most entry-level chip within the Alder Lake Core i5 CPU segment. It will rock 6 cores, 12 threads and rely only on Golden Cove (P-Cores).

Awesome that should drive down amd prices a bit.

[pax]

I want the HEDT platform. Not really interested in the gimped mainstream stuff anymore.

https://twitter.com/wccftech/status/1460517887962058756

Wccftech Retweeted
Wccftech
@wccftech
Intel Sapphire Rapids-X HEDT & Raptor Lake Mainstream Desktop CPU Platforms Rumored To Launch In Q3 2022 http://dlvr.it/SCZv7v

Id have thought in the spring but its not that far away...

[KAC]

Yes only a year away.

[Nunz]

3 quarters isn't too bad. Not sure I'll be able to wait that long, though.

[Nunz]

Grabbed a 12700K and ASUS Z690 TUF as a stop-gap until HEDT. New RAM did not fix my 10900K issues, so I'm RMAing the chip and the board. I'll sell them when I get back from deployment.

It was cheaper to buy a 12700K and TUF over a new 10900K and MSI Z490 ACE. Go figure. They had some ASUS Formula's there, but they have no DDR5 so that wouldn't have worked for me.

No high-end boards for DDR4 so grabbed the best I could at Microcenter. We'll see how it goes tonight .. hoping things line-up similarly so I don't have to drain my loop lol

[demo]

Nice one nunz, I think the 12700k is the star of the line up anyway

[KAC]

Well that lasted 3 quarters of a day.

[acroig]

Can't wait for the benchies when you get back.

[Nascar24]

Doesn't it have the same game performance as the 12900 anyways for the most part?

[Nunz]

Doesn't it have the same game performance as the 12900 anyways for the most part?

It's missing 4 E cores which I'm not really worried about.

The most important part is that you will not find good P cores on these chips - the 12900K gets all the best binned cores, for obvious reasons

[badsykes]

Grabbed a 12700K and ASUS Z690 TUF as a stop-gap until HEDT. New RAM did not fix my 10900K issues, so I'm RMAing the chip and the board. I'll sell them when I get back from deployment.

It was cheaper to buy a 12700K and TUF over a new 10900K and MSI Z490 ACE. Go figure. They had some ASUS Formula's there, but they have no DDR5 so that wouldn't have worked for me.

No high-end boards for DDR4 so grabbed the best I could at Microcenter. We'll see how it goes tonight .. hoping things line-up similarly so I don't have to drain my loop lol

[Nunz]

Had to drain the loop

These cheap boards suck. No POST code LED, no SP rating, no clear CMOS button .. ugh.

Good thing it's just a stop-gap ..

[acroig]

So you got a combo price deal?

[Nunz]

So you got a combo price deal?

I paid $800 for

12700K
ASUS Z690 TUF PLUS WIFI
Samsung 980 Pro 500GB

Solid deal. Cost less than a new 10900K / MSI Z490 ACE to troubleshoot what was wrong with my Comet Lake rig. I believe the motherboard is bad, so RMAing that before I leave. Either the socket pins are not making good contact anymore or the DIMM slots are damaged in some way. Same exact setup and fan speeds and my memory is running 10-12c colder with the same voltage. I think the board was overvolting or sending bad/dirty voltage - I'll be able to confirm when I get back in a few months and slap the 10900K in there to test it before I sell the board/chip/RAM as a combo. Last time I go with a board from anyone but ASUS ..

I wish they had the STRIX-A DDR4 board .. like I said, these cheapo motherboards are garbage. I barely had enough fan connectors for my water-cooling stuff, had to grab some extensions, etc. I'm currently forced to share RPM speed of my D5 Pump with the rear exhaust fan - luckily my rear exhaust is a low RPM fan so even at 88% it runs at 1180rpm..

If anything, actually using one of these cheap boards just solidifies why I pay for the high-end boards.

So far, I've been working on memory OC stability. I've got 4000 15-15-15-32 Gear1 stable which is pretty awesome. I seem to have a good IMC on this chip, so I might have a good overclocker on my hands - it's a V batch (vietnam) and those typically have good silicon from what I've seen in the 12900K binning threads. I'm running my RAM at settings that other people need 1.38v SA for. I'm at 1.31v and I may be able to go lower, I just set it to 1.31 for testing purposes to make sure my IMC isn't causing test failures.

[acroig]

That "cheap board" is almost $300......

So you getting the AL set up before you leave?

[Nunz]

That "cheap board" is almost $300......

So you getting the AL set up before you leave?

It's 2021 after COVID. $289 for a board is nothing

Yes, I'm typing this as it runs TestMem5.

It's a fun little toy to mess with for a few days before I pack it up for storage.

[KAC]

Post benches.

[Nunz]

Post benches.

I haven't even OC'd the CPU yet. Just working on memory right now. It's an entirely new memory setup and ADL is similar to RKL. I never touched RKL so I have to learn a new platform essentially.

I've got the hang of it, or just about, so should have memory dialed in by end of tonight.

[Gregor976]

Congrats on the new hardware!

[badsykes]

Had to drain the loop

These cheap boards suck. No POST code LED, no SP rating, no clear CMOS button .. ugh.

Good thing it's just a stop-gap ..

Welcome to peasants club.
I am the expert in "cheap" boards so ask me
With ADL when paying 300$ and buying "cheap board" you know it's in a league of it's own ....

[fO Che -USA-]

I paid $800 for

12700K
ASUS Z690 TUF PLUS WIFI
Samsung 980 Pro 500GB

I think we have the same setup, is yours the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WIFI D4?
Where do you see Gear 1 and 2?
When I look at CPU-Z I see swings from 500mhz to 4.7ghz is there a setting to stay more consistent?

Does intel have anything like Ryzen master?

Intel could definitely learn a thing or to from AMD when it comes to driver installers. Why don't they have a one package installer.

With the same cooler Alder Lake is idling 4 degrees colder than the 5800X.

[Seyiji]

I think we have the same setup, is yours the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WIFI D4?
Where do you see Gear 1 and 2?
When I look at CPU-Z I see swings from 500mhz to 4.7ghz is there a setting to stay more consistent?

Does intel have anything like Ryzen master?

Intel could definitely learn a thing or to from AMD when it comes to driver installers. Why don't they have a one package installer.

With the same cooler Alder Lake is idling 4 degrees colder than the 5800X.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...intel-xtu.html

[Nunz]

I think we have the same setup, is yours the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WIFI D4?
Where do you see Gear 1 and 2?
When I look at CPU-Z I see swings from 500mhz to 4.7ghz is there a setting to stay more consistent?

Does intel have anything like Ryzen master?

Intel could definitely learn a thing or to from AMD when it comes to driver installers. Why don't they have a one package installer.

With the same cooler Alder Lake is idling 4 degrees colder than the 5800X.

Yes, same motherboard. Not sure what you mean by installers - it's all done through Windows. No need for Ryzen Master either as everything can be read through HWINFO64. You don't want to edit values in Windows - that should all be done in the BIOS.

Gear 1 or Gear 2 is in relation to the memory controller. Basically, in Gear 1, that's the traditional way the controller speaks to the memory. In Gear 2, the controller and memory speak every OTHER cycle, which allows you to run higher frequencies - though there's going to be a latency penalty due to the longer time in between cycles.

Running Gear 1 is a form of overclocking and typically takes a lot of tweaking, even for XMP memory settings. If I were you, unless you want to go down that rabbit hole, leave it on Auto. I believe if your sticks are XMP below 3800, it automatically runs Gear 1, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly. I don't remember the name of the BIOS option right now but it's basically "controller ratio" or something like that. It's next to the DRAM Frequency selection.

Those frequency swings are the C-States kicking in. You can turn them off just in Windows by setting your power plan to High Performance. I would run balanced as you get low idle power draw and the chip runs cooler. The days of running a constant high frequency have pretty much died now.

Also, before you mess with anything, I highly, highly recommend flashing to a new BIOS. The BIOS the board came with was junk and missing a ton of options. This is the latest per Shamino, the ASUS BIOS creator who gives us the early releases.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/80r6syg2yycbf2u/TUF-GAMING-Z690-PLUS-WIFI-D4-ASUS-0002.rar?dl=0

If you're not comfortable flashing the BIOS, I would just enable your XMP profile and leave it stock.

[fO Che -USA-]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...intel-xtu.html

Thanks!

I just installed it on a fresh load of Windows 11 and it says I have another Performance tuning application running so it won't run. Intel's software and website is a mess. They don't even have the Z690 listed on their driver page. I also have these Serial IO drivers that are unsigned apparently.

[Nunz]

You can look at the ASUS support site if you want drivers - they're usually posted there.