The 3xxx series isn't exactly free from cpu limitations right now, so why would alderlake be a waste?
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Originally posted by Mangler View Post
Why spend 600$ + 200$+ board when you can aproach the limit of the 3090 with 250$ cpu like ryzen 5 5600.If you play in 1440p or even 4k you may actually go even cheaper like a 10400.This is why a next gen gpu that promise 3x performance of the today gpu's may justify the big costs of a flagship like a 12900k.Those gpu's are rumored released 2022 q4 at least or early 2023.You can buy a new cpu when the new gpu's are released and take advantage of the market dynamics in 1 year from now.
The only argument to sink the 1000$ now is that maybe there will be even more severe shortage.Maybe there will be nothing to buy next november or maybe it will be so expensive that is not worth it.If this an argument go ahead and buy it now."There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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There is more to gaming experience than framerate. Frametimes are significantly more stable on a 10900K/11900K vs a 10400 or other low-end CPU.
You are also forgetting there are plenty of games that are heavily CPU limited even at 4K, and need strong single-thread performance, and ADL blows away every single chip in that regard."If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn MonbroeOriginally posted by curioComment
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Originally posted by Nunz View Post
I still feel that someone should wait for next gen gpus and then buy also a a new cpu flagship.THe reviews for the new gen gpu's and scalling will actually be helpfull to asess if it's reallyh needed to even waste so money on 12900k."There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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Stop feeding… too late.Comment
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In a sense I agree with him. Can't say any current high end CPU'S are struggling except for a few edge cases. By all means buy one if you like, but I'll likely wait for the next crop of GPU's before upgrading, 3090 is GPU bound at my resolutions.
Bit hesitant about scheduling at launch too, on top of the usual new arch teething issues.
Would like to play with DDR5 but there is 5333mhz DDR4 available for my chip so might just mess around with that if I feel the urge. Already have pcie 4.0, as do Ryzen users, so the platform isn't an upgrade in that department.
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When it will ship ?Originally posted by KAC View Post
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Intel's Alder Lake CPUs May Not Work With Older Games
OUCHThe problem arises for older titles that are a couple of years old that likely won't get any updates, meaning they'll be unplayable on Alder Lake chips."There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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This is old news and pure speculation."If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn MonbroeOriginally posted by curioComment
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Originally posted by Nunz View Post
Maybe old news yes.But how is pure speculation? From article i get that intel is working with DRM devs to solve the situation.The problem is the old games may not receive patches and stuff for their drm.From what i understand the DRM system needs a new version that include the ADL support.This problem will apear in the games bought officially through steam-like platforms.
If that game/drm combination will not work and the dev will not release a patch then the only way to play the game is piracy.But with piracy you may not get the latest game version installed and this creates other problems or limitations."There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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There have been no cases of games not working. People have already tested this with some of the older Denuvo games and it worked fine.
The article from Tom's is old, before anyone had the chips to test for themselves.
I'm sure we'll see a couple games with issues or strangeness, but I don't see the big deal. This wouldn't be the first time new hardware has had compatibility issues with older software.
Out with the old, in with the new."If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn MonbroeOriginally posted by curioComment
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Fingers crossed thenOriginally posted by Nunz View Post
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Is the cost of a few extra FPS here or there worth dropping $1k on a new setup?
Nope. Not for me.
Plus, I still want to see what that next gen AMD will be. If anything, I may want to look into a HEDT that can do gaming as well. I've been doing a lot more 3D printing and video stuff the last few months. I'm wanting to get back into programing a bit as well. Having a 32 core rig with a nice stack of ram might be my next build.Comment
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The z690 mainboards in my country:
280$ for Asus Prime z690m plus D4
410$ for Asus Prime z690-A
This are the cheapest ones ...
Also there are some tuf's and rog strix but they cost as much as an 5800x cpu.
The prices are insane.
I am not sure how this will sell with such platform prices...I feel intel made the right call to only release the 12900k."There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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ASUS is extremely overpriced this generation, even more than Z590. Gigabyte, MSI, and ASROCK are far better priced. You couldn't pay me to touch a Gigabyte board, so that leaves MSI.. and maybe ASROCK."If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn MonbroeOriginally posted by curioComment
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12900k benchmarks .....
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I understand you need to make the game CPU bound but 1080p benchies?
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Was not intentional actually ... I edited and added some 1440p tests too.Originally posted by acroig View PostI understand you need to make the game CPU bound but 1080p benchies?
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Ok, great because 1080p.... I think only you play at that rez.Originally posted by badsykes View PostWas not intentional actually ... I edited and added some 1440p tests too.
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Why not use apples to apples comparisons.
For example, Red Dead has a benchmark built into it. Why not use that instead.
Doesn't Cyberpunk also have a benchmark utility too?
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Cyberpunk does not have one.Comment
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I might be taking a trip to Microcenter tomorrow morning..
If they have a 12900K, ASUS Z690 APEX, and 5800Mhz DDR5 .. well I won't be able to resist."If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn MonbroeOriginally posted by curioComment
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I know why as well but don't care, I don't game at 1080P, I game at 4K all the time. If they are identical at 4K I don't care what platform it is, there is about no reason to upgrade.Originally posted by acroig View PostI understand you need to make the game CPU bound but 1080p benchies?Comment
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Over $1200 for board and chip.Originally posted by acroig View Post
There's a reason the Ryzen chips do well at 1080p and 1440p, and then suddenly at 4K they seem to fall behind. It's not just about max frames. 1%, 0.1%, and minimums are huge for stable framerate.
I also play Total War which is heavily CPU bound, and Hell Let Loose has a lot of areas where I see 60% GPU usage even at 3840x1600. There's plenty of games that can benefit from more CPU power, even at 4K."If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn MonbroeOriginally posted by curioComment
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I get that there are a few games that would benefit from a better CPU but I just don't see dropping $1k for those few extra FPS right now.Comment
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The Benq Sw240 was 1200pOriginally posted by acroig View PostOk, great because 1080p.... I think only you play at that rez.
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What is the time that all of us can pump up this shet?Comment
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Can any native-speaking american translate for me this language from the UAE ghettos ?Originally posted by KAC View Post"There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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So I see Linus had his kind of crappy review leaked and yes it’s faster at 1080P gamming, didn’t see any 1440P or 4K, but I suspect at 4K everything is even as usual because of the GPU’s we have now, there will be no upgrade for me anytime soon.Comment
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Oh yeah, RTS games are heavy on the CPU. Let us know if you get a new toy.Originally posted by Nunz View Post
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You will answer with another phrase in ghetto language... Maybe other individual will answer me.Originally posted by Seyiji View Post
Anyway more ADL benchies surface...
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The mins are nice over my 5600x but not worth 1000$ +.Also it seems that the 12900k is very hot so i am not sure if my Scythe Ninja 4 will be sufficient for a 250watt cpu.So i may have to spend additional money for cooling.Originally posted by Nascar24 View Post"There is no beggining, and there is no end.There is no alpha, and there is no omega.You never began, and you will never end."Comment
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And you were plying Doom in B&W @ 720p on it!Originally posted by badsykes View PostThe Benq Sw240 was 1200p
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