Intel 12x00 series Alder lake

[demo]

Yeh in HWinfo. Practically the only app or game at all core turbo is cinebench or prime.

[Nunz]

Interesting.

I should try Turbo Ratio OCing now that I'm on Win11. Maybe it's scheduling more efficiently, or Rocket Lake is simply assigning itself better than Comet Lake does through SpeedStep.

[Megaman]

1st gen woes. Will need to wait for second gen me thinks.

There’s reports that older AIO coolers don’t do the best job of cooling these CPUs. Mint have to upgrade the cooler.

[pax]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-12th-gen-core-alder-lake-s-final-specifications-and-pricing-leaks-ahead-of-launch

Prices not bad especially on the 12600k that is the new gaming champ:

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-12th-gen-core-alder-lake-s-final-specifications-and-pricing-leaks-ahead-of-launch

[Nunz]

12900K and KF are very competitively priced .. not awful at all.

The motherboards are looking insane, though. ASUS APEX is looking to be over $600.. not really Intel's fault, since ASUS has jacked prices up on every product over the past year.

I'm still considering going ADL but I don't know yet. I need to see if we can de-lid and run direct-die as well as what DDR5 sticks will be decent overclockers.

[KAC]

Will bone 12900K possibly.

[pax]

Looking forward to more benches. I especially wonder if the ecores can be used in games alongside the pcores or if its just something that they switch to for low level stuff like desktop... Id think they would at least perform as well as a hyperthread.

Its the first time since celeron 300a, the last time I had an intel system, that Im considering switching...

[badsykes]

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In november 2021 only the 12900k will be available for at least 600 euros in retail.Z690 will be around 200 euros the cheapest one....

https://wccftech.com/heres-where-you-can-pre-order-intels-12th-gen-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-z690-motherboards-ddr5-memory-kits-lga-1700-coolers/

[pax]

Wow skylake level perf from the ecores... Thats not shabby at all and he says they can be addressed while running pcores under some apps/games.

[demo]

Those ROG boards certainly are expensive but geez they look great.

12700k looks like a good chip, I'm sure 4 e-cores is plenty for a gaming rig. Don't see the point in shelling out more money just for e-cores on the 12900k.

[Nunz]

Those ROG boards certainly are expensive but geez they look great.

12700k looks like a good chip, I'm sure 4 e-cores is plenty for a gaming rig. Don't see the point in shelling out more money just for e-cores on the 12900k.

Better binned P cores will be on the 12900K.

[Nagorak]

12900K seems like an odd SKU to me. 8 E-cores just seems like a waste all around. If you're doing heavily threaded workloads you'd really want more P-cores rather than more E-cores. Gaming you'd want more P-cores. It seems like something like 12P-4E would have made more sense. I don't know if it's architecture limits, power limits, or what?

Pricing tells me the leaks where this beat the 5950X in multi-threaded scenarios were probably not accurate. Also 20% IPC on the 8 P-cores compare to Rocket Lake, but the 8 E-cores only at Skylake level and clocked at 4GHz with no SMT doesn't seem to add up to matching the 5950X when all 16 cores/32 threads are working.

In any case after that last upgrade debacle where I had to RMA a bunch of boards I'm not touching the inside of my computer again for a while! So I think I'll let this one pass.

[acroig]

https://www.pcgamer.com/intels-alder-lake-could-actually-be-a-better-overclocker-than-prior-cpu-generations/

[Nagorak]

Another thing that occurred to me is if the benchmarks Intel ran are using DDR5, and they're only using DDR4 3200 on the other platforms, then that is going to exaggerate the difference in performance. With high quality DDR4 you can already run in excess of 4000 MHz on Intel, and Ryzen benefits a lot from running tightened subtimings even if memory maxes out around 3733 or 3800.

Anyway, the point being you can already run pretty high speeds with tight timings on DDR4 and that would potentially cut into the advantage offered by DDR5. Of course, you might be able to overclock the memory on DDR5 too, but DDR4 is much more mature so I'd expect you can push it farther compared to base specs.

[Greasy]

So if you're buying this. You going DDR4 or DDR5? Thoughts?

I'm thinking DDR4 since Intel always ****s you over with a new board every gen. Might as well use what you have before DDR5 catches up like always.

[KAC]

I am definitely waiting 3 months or more for dust to settle. No urgency even though my 5900X is an outdated chip.

[demo]

Better binned P cores will be on the 12900K.

Yeh for sure, and a little more cache. Even so I think the i7 looks good. It'll be an interesting launch, I expect there will be scheduling issues at first.

[Mangler]

The e-cores are probably going to be a good fit for all of those apps that causes the cpu to momentarily hit max boost speeds.

Perfect for EGS!

[Nunz]

The e-cores are probably going to be a good fit for all of those apps that causes the cpu to momentarily hit max boost speeds.

Perfect for EGS!

Momentarily??

EVGA will have the Z690 DARK out on time this generation. I do have fond memories of my Z390 DARK..

[Nascar24]

I am definitely waiting 3 months or more for dust to settle. No urgency even though my 5900X is an outdated chip.

Yea ok.

[acroig]

Yea ok.

3 weeks even....

[Nascar24]

3 weeks even....

Day 1 if he wants to get his hands on one.

[acroig]

Day 1 if he wants to get his hands on one.

tru.dat

[Greasy]

Day 1 if he wants to get his hands on one.

Seriously. They need to release reviews well in advance of them going on sale. That way people have time to look over various reviews and board reviews.

[andino]

Anyone else think that the reason Intel is pushing the 'gaming scores' so hard is because AMD will still beat them in pure computational power with their last gen cpus?

[demo]

Yeh I think in productivity tasks AMD will still have the edge.

[acroig]

Well good thing we're all gamers here, right?

[Nunz]

Anyone else think that the reason Intel is pushing the 'gaming scores' so hard is because AMD will still beat them in pure computational power with their last gen cpus?

Only in tasks that utilize more than 16 threads. I think Intel should continue to focus on gaming. They're pricing competitively and targeting the gaming market as well as the overclocker/tuning market. It's a great idea, imo. AMD can keep all those useless cores that don't do **** and are a waste of power, space, and thermal density. The Big-Little design is a really smart way of trying to compensate for the rapidly increasing thermal density.

If the 12900K had 16 P-cores it would slap a 5950X around. We'll likely see that with the HEDT chips for a first iteration of 10nm desktop, ADL looks to be a great success so far.

[KAC]

Which motherboard are you guys getting?
Ram at 6000 MHz w/ C36 or stick with DDR4 4400 w/ C18 or some such?
Will you be getting a new 360 AIO?

Tell me.

[demo]

I'd wait for reviews. I have no idea of memory sweet spot, what timings can be achieved, what level of power delivery/phases is adequate etc.

[metroidfox]

I would definitely wait. The lower tiers of DDR5 have been shown to be slower than a lot of half decent DDR4.

[Nagorak]

Historically switching on the first gen of a new memory type hasn't been that advantageous. In a year or two as DDR5 matures it should be better, but right now it's basically brand new base spec DDR5 vs highly mature and highly overclocked DDR4.

[Megaman]

I might grab a 12900K but a little shitty that my H150i may not work well with it.

[KAC]

I might grab a 12900K but a little shitty that my H150i may not work well with it.

You can get a bracket sent out.

[Megaman]

From who?

[KAC]

The manufacturers are supporting in sending brackets - either free or for a small fee. Contact Corsair. Jayztwocents mentioned in his video.

Other option is to get a board with two holes like Rog Strix.

Most mfg are putting up pages like: https://noctua.at/en/intel-lga1700-all-you-need-to-know

Or https://www.corsair.com/us/en/compan...ake-processors

Too bad I am SOL because I am still on H150i pro.

[KAC]

Historically switching on the first gen of a new memory type hasn't been that advantageous. In a year or two as DDR5 matures it should be better, but right now it's basically brand new base spec DDR5 vs highly mature and highly overclocked DDR4.

This time DDR5 is relatively mature compared to DDR4.

[Megaman]

Thanks. I’ll need one from Corsair. I’ll have a look around if I can source one from Aus.

[KAC]

Just contact them. They will send you. I love Corsair support.

[badsykes]

The true performance of the 12900k will be realized on the next gen very high end gpu that will be released in 2022 or 2023.In my opionion there is not point in spending 1000$ at least on this config at the end of 2021.I mean for the RTX3090 owners.Of course if you are bored go ahead.Until then AMD may release something too and the ALder lake platform will also be more mature or even cheaper...I do feel is kinda pointless investment even for very high end gpu owners.