Intel 12x00 series Alder lake

[acroig]

After spending a lot of time reading reviews and comparing stated performance vs my performance from a 5900X I have decided to not move to Alder Lake. It’s just not worth the money and also is a power hungry mofo.

Good for you, just wait for the 4080 next year.

[badsykes]

Not accurate. Just because the board on the spec sheet only says 6400, doesn't mean that's the max it can run. People have Hynix chips at 6600, and I've seen one guy with 7000 (though at suicide voltages).

I do agree that DDR4 is doing well in games but you're comparing extremely mature DDR4 to baby DDR5, and it's impressive that the DDR5 can already surpass the DDR4 when properly tweaked - that was not the case with DDR3 to DDR4.

The latest crop of ddr4 mainboards for ADL qvl says 5133 mhz ... I remember the very basic first ddr4 was 2133mhz i bought from crucial.If the ddr4 trend of frequencies is keept then DDR5 suppose to bring 10000mhz with lower latencies..I am curious if this boards will support ddr5 10000 when they apear.

[badsykes]

Gigabyte to offer price competitive Z690 mobo that lacks PCIe 5.0

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gigabyte-to-offer-price-competitive-z690-mobo-that-lacks-pcie-5.html

[badsykes]

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[Megaman]

Are there known PSU compatibility issues with Alder Lake and potentially Meteor Lake?

I'm looking to grab a Corsair HX1000 PSU and hoping it would be compatible with Meteor Lake even though it may be too early to tell.

Perhaps the RM1000x might be a better choice



EDIT: Looking at this again, if I were to go to a 600 series board, I just need to make sure I can connect an additional 8 pin connector to the PSU for the CPU. This would mean regardless of PSU it will work fine.

[acroig]

Considering the next gen vid cards might need 600w maybe you should wait on this upgrade?

[Megaman]

Yeah probably.

[Greasy]

Remember when we could upgrade our entire system at the same time? I member.

[pax]

Wonder how much the next gen after alder lake will cost:

https://twitter.com/chiakokhua/status/1470936377856389123

ChinaTimes: TSMC's "aggressive" response to Intel's request for dedicated 3nm lines: "pay in advance"

LOL

[Arrowhead]

I've finally scored some good ddr5 from a somewhat more reasonable local scalper on ebay. 2x16 g.skill Z5 ddr5 6000 cl36. I'm sick of waiting and doesn't look like any end in sight with this shortage.
Only twice msrp, no taxes and import fees since he's in Ontario.
Should I keep them, or turn around and sell them for $3k like other listings I've seen? lol, I'm kidding...

[demo]

Let us know how they OC. Was thinking about jumping to ADL but only if I can get 6400+, hoping for 6600-6800.

The reason I ask is because they are available for pre-order here.

[Megaman]

Let us know how they OC. Was thinking about jumping to ADL but only if I can get 6400+, hoping for 6600-6800.

The reason I ask is because they are available for pre-order here.

Let us know how this build goes next week

[demo]

Nah I want to see what AMD offers with v-cache, and by then more DDR5 options should be available so can swing either way.

Very happy with current system anyway, and would like to get at least 12 months out of it. 3 to go.

[12Bass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udoh78dkoe0

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[acroig]

I'm so tempted

https://www.microcenter.com/product/641917/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-36ghz-twelve-core-lga-1700-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included?sku=326652&hero&utm_source=20211216_eNews_Bestsellers_R6371&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=R6371&MccGuid=910F7319-B126-4EBA-BD4A-34E98A2628EE

Mobos are way too expensive still.

[KAC]

Wow. 300 bucks is a killer price. If I can find it at that price, I would jump on it in a second. Hot damn!

[acroig]

Wow. 300 bucks is a killer price. If I can find it at that price, I would jump on it in a second. Hot damn!

At our res it would make so little FPS difference though.

[Megaman]

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/corsair-dominator-platinum-rgb-ddr5-memory-reaches-6400-mhz.html

[Megaman]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-12900ks-pre-binned-cpu-with-5-2-ghz-all-core-frequency-allegedly-in-the-works

[Nunz]

Nice.

I don't think V-cache will be much of a threat, though. Intel is solidified as the gaming king right now

[acroig]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purported-Alder-Lake-Core-i9-12900KS-could-hit-5-GHz-on-all-cores-but-5-percent-clockspeed-boost-may-not-be-enough-to-tackle-AMD-s-3D-V-Cache-Ryzens.586573.0.html

[pax]

Alder lake is a good improvement but it probably wont take much for AMD to match it or even pass it slightly. Considering the platform AL is on, 40% increased pinout on the cpu, ddr5, pcie5... it should have an unbeatable lead but R5k gives it a run for its money at times.

Then we get AM5 where the AMD platform catches up. If AM5 only notches things up 10-15% it'll be a big disappointment.

[KAC]

Frickin hate people posting links without context or short description. Same with YouTube videos.

[Megaman]

A performance test for 41 games using 12900K DDR5 6000 CL 36 over DDR 4 3600 CL14

Averaging:


3% perf increase at 1080p for DDR 5

2% at 1440p for DDR 5

1% at 4K for DDR 5

A few games netted 20% increase but mostly they were identical and also some were in the negatives.

Them prices are worth it for DDR5

Also hope KAC is happy with the run down plus link to video.


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[badsykes]

[KAC]

Thanks Megagay!

[acroig]

Frickin hate people posting links without context or short description. Same with YouTube videos.

Cry me a river. When I post you're supposed to click it.

[badsykes]

[KAC]

Cry me a river. When I post you're supposed to click it.

No

[acroig]

No

[ElBerryKM13]

What's with all these post just posting a link with no title or desciption? Do you really want me to click on it? Geez talk about being lazy posters.

[Megaman]

Whilst I’m at work trying to sneak in new gossip,using a phone, in the hot Aussie glaring sun for you guys, the least you can do is say thanks instead of bitching cos you gotta click a link by reputable Rage3d members with over 9k posts.

[acroig]

What's with all these post just posting a link with no title or desciption? Do you really want me to click on it? Geez talk about being lazy posters.

You don't have to click on it if you don't want to. Best I wanna do when I see something interesting on my phone.

[Megaman]

Any ideas what temps the 12700k typically gets in gaming/CPU stress testing? I hit 83 degrees on one core playing Control, Cinbebench test for 5 minutes I get high 70s across all cores with the exception of core 5 hitting 83.

[Nunz]

You need to list the power and voltage you're running to know what is and isn't good. Are you using an LGA1700 mounting kit? Ambient temp? Too many factors to judge off of just the temps alone.

[Megaman]

I'm running stock everything. Ambient temp, around the low 20 degrees but I can't be accurate. Core volts are at 1.163 with core speed at 4.5 Ghz. Temps are consistently hovering around mid 70s, high 60s right now during testing but peak temps manage to hit low 80s.

Only the retro fit stands are in use. No LGA1700 bracket. Trying to get a rough idea where this setup is at.

Looking at others responses they too appear to be running low to mid 80s in Cinebench R23 everything stock. Just found a post now so perhaps that's about ball park.

[Nunz]

What are you using to read temps/voltage? Use HWINFO64 if you aren't.

Temps seem ok. Still pretty high for 1.163v but it depends on the wattage as I said. You can see all of that in hwinfo.

I hit mid 70s at 1.3v under load in CB23 pulling around 230watts if I remember correctly, but that's on a custom loop with a HKIV w/ 1200 mounting kit. Once I get the 1700 kit installed it'll likely be mid-high 60s.

[Megaman]

I’m using core temp.

Watching HWinfo, max temps so far are in the low to high 70s. I’m averaging 69 across 6 core, averaging 72 on core 5. Seems Core Temp is showing slightly higher temps on some cores. I think I might just bin that app.


What wattage setting shall I look at for wattage info? CPU package power is peaking at 150w

[Megaman]

Core 5 on core temp shows 86 degrees peak. HWinfo shows 79. All others are low/mid 70s in HWinfo. These numbers look better.

Im not looking at E cores.

I’m now seeing Vcore at 1.305 and 4.9 boost. Temps have not hit 80s. Looks like the H150i is doing well.


My results this 5 minute run

[Megaman]

Whoops....looks like these results also factor in Control running in the background as I forgot I ALT tabbed