Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

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I have a 5800x3D. I don’t think anyone is blowing anyone out of the water. It is about the platform not the price. Intel 13900K seems like the most well rounded CPU without having to worry about schedulers and other crap. Just plug in and play all day. When it’s time to do some productivity work, it also smashes that. I really should’ve listened to my gut and bought the 13900K when it came out.

And yes, it is a pain to get it working. Btw if the game is not "detected" both CCDs will be running and it will diminish the experience in the game a bit.

On topic of price, I think HU said you can build an Intel for 1 G and an AMD for 1.2 G. 20% price increase for similar performance and compatibility issues down the line. No thanks please.

Is that your experience with the 5800x3d? I thought it only has 1 ccd.

[pax]

Is that your experience with the 5800x3d? I thought it only has 1 ccd.

I think he means the 7950x3d. The 5800x3d has only one ccd. But sure if we compare the 7950x3d platform costs vs 13900ks then yea theres a 20% premium unless a sale. But for a pure gaming rig a 7800x3d will match the platform price and beat the 13900ks in many key games. Most times matching it.

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I think he means the 7950x3d. The 5800x3d has only one ccd. But sure if we compare the 7950x3d platform costs vs 13900ks then yea theres a 20% premium unless a sale. But for a pure gaming rig a 7800x3d will match the platform price and beat the 13900ks in many key games. Most times matching it.

Oh, OK. I'm sure the drivers will improve. I pretty sure all popular aaa games are supported. While it's not ideal you can force the scheduler to run on the ccd with v-cache.

[pax]

Oh, OK. I'm sure the drivers will improve. I pretty sure all popular aaa games are supported. While it's not ideal you can force the scheduler to run on the ccd with v-cache.

Yea I just put in new chipset drivers few mins ago that cover both am4 and am5... seem fine so far... they include an AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...t-5-02-19-2221

[KAC]

So any nub buying this crap?

[0091/2]

So any nub buying this crap?

I might but not at current asking price.

[demo]

So any nub buying this crap?

Maybe, but I just want to see users experiences with it for a bit before deciding on 7950x3d or 7800x3d.

Scheduling looks like it could be a pain in the ass, so 7800x3d is the obvious choice. My only gripe with the 7800x3d is that it will be slower than my 7700x at times, which runs at 5.6-5.7 in most games. 7950x3d has the best of both worlds, but might be too much of a PITA to deal with..

[KAC]

Isn’t 13900K best of both worlds?

[KAC]

I have decided to skip this whole fiasco. Unless 7800X3D is best thing since sliced bread I am not paying 1200 smokes for 5 (4K) - 10% (1440P) perf delta over 5800X3D.
Also given I have an AMD rig I won't get even $350 bucks for my current system.

[Nagorak]

Yeah, if you already have a 5800X3D there's a strong argument for just sticking with it and waiting for the next gen or the one after. There's not that big of an increase going up from it in most games, especially if you are playing at higher resolutions.

[demo]

Isn’t 13900K best of both worlds?

13900k is a great CPU but it's a dead end platform and I already have an AM5 board, so not going to switch. And, in the most CPU heavy titles I have like MSFS2020, the X3D is 35% faster than the 13900k.

I have decided to skip this whole fiasco. Unless 7800X3D is best thing since sliced bread I am not paying 1200 smokes for 5 (4K) - 10% (1440P) perf delta over 5800X3D.
Also given I have an AMD rig I won't get even $350 bucks for my current system.

It's a lot more than '5 to 10%' over the 5800X3D if you're CPU limited. If you're not CPU limited in anything, why upgrade CPU at all?

[KAC]

Yeah, I am pumping 150-200 fps in most games these days. Think I will just make this putter last another 1-2 years.

[PreservedSwine]

I'm just trying to find one (9750X3D). No luck so far, they're out of stock everywhere on-line, and no brick or mortar near me has any. Building my first computer since the early 2000's. Things have changed a little. Thank God for youtube.

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I'm just trying to find one (9750X3D). No luck so far, they're out of stock everywhere on-line, and no brick or mortar near me has any. Building my first computer since the early 2000's. Things have changed a little. Thank God for youtube.

What CPU cooler will you use it with?

[PreservedSwine]

IIRC, the cpu cooler is Hydro-X series 8 rgb. I’m building it with my son, I’m here for guidance and a CC number

[pax]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-clai...n-1080p-gaming

According to the slides shared by Tom’s Hardware, AMD has now confirmed official performance for its upcoming 8-core Ryzen 7 CPU with 3D V-Cache. Only a few benchmarks were shared from handpicked titles, so this is definitely too early to draw final conclusions.

The 7800X3D has 8 cores, L3 cache of 96MB, TDP rated at 120W and boost clock up to 5.0 GHz. That’s 15W higher TDP than 8-Core Ryzen 7 7700X and 400 MHz lower boost clock compared to non-X3D SKU. This CPU was compared to 24-core Core i9-13900K processor, the second-best Raptor Lake desktop CPU from Intel. What may be important to note is that both the 7800X3D and 13900K systems were equipped with the same DDR5-6000 memory kit.

Today AMD is sharing 1080p gaming performance in competitive titles, such as Rainbow Six Siege, Total War: Three Kingdoms, Red Dead Redemption 2 and Horizon Zero Dawn. Given AMD numbers, the 7800X3D would be 13% to 24% faster than the Core i9-13900K. On average, we are looking at 19.5% better performance, but one should remember those are vendor-provided benchmarks so final performance may vary.

Not enough of an uplift over the 5800X3D for me to bother but I will be looking at the 8000 X3D's next year...

[KAC]

Meh

[AdamK47]

Bought mine on Feb 28th, release day.

New vs old



t's alright I guess.

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Bought mine on Feb 28th, release day.

New vs old



t's alright I guess.

What cooler do you use it with?

[AdamK47]

Corsair H170i

[Sasquach]

I just started thinking about this....I can put a 5000 series chip in my PC as the final upgrade before having to get a new mobo. Anyone knows when these are gonna get phased out? I'd probably pick one up once its near its end of life. Yes im still plugging away with a Ryzen 5 2600X

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Corsair H170i

NIce! I'm consider that cooler with the LCD for a 7950x3d build. I was wondering if there's any benefits getting an AIO that large. The chip runs 140~160watts max. I'm thinking it might be overkill. What fan speed does it run at when you game?

[KAC]

I just started thinking about this....I can put a 5000 series chip in my PC as the final upgrade before having to get a new mobo. Anyone knows when these are gonna get phased out? I'd probably pick one up once its near its end of life. Yes im still plugging away with a Ryzen 5 2600X

Get a 5800X3D and let your panties fly...

[KAC]

This website doesn't get enough credit. Every ****ing number they post matches my system's performance. Whereas, I am always confused af with testing done by Tech Jesus, HWU, or plethora of other websites.

Look for yourself and if you are pumping a 5800X3D, just forget both Intel and AMD for now FOR GAMING!

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2023/02...ce-cpu-review/

[pax]

This website doesn't get enough credit. Every ****ing number they post matches my system's performance. Whereas, I am always confused af with testing done by Tech Jesus, HWU, or plethora of other websites.

Look for yourself and if you are pumping a 5800X3D, just forget both Intel and AMD for now FOR GAMING!

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2023/02...ce-cpu-review/

For 4k gaming to be specific sure. And also the ryzen 8000's early info is that it'll be a bigger jump in perf over the 7000's than the 7000's were over the 5000's.

[KAC]

Yes, I either play 4K or 1440P and thefpsreview 7800X3D review is not convincing enough. I used to like TPU but I am unable to match his numbers on my system. He turns down some settings and I am like wtf why is your FPS higher than mine.

thefpsreview is the only website where I can compare my numbers and they are spot on!

[Megaman]

I think you and Pax are the only people on this site.

[KAC]

It is quite unfortunate. The upgrade completely killed this site.

[pax]

Yea its now between fast and timeouts... fluctuates like mad. Reddit is so much more stable. Even Twitter under Musk after firing of 90% of his staff runs ok. Too bad... before its too late they should sell to someone who can fix it.

[pax]

For 4k gaming to be specific sure. And also the ryzen 8000's early info is that it'll be a bigger jump in perf over the 7000's than the 7000's were over the 5000's.

Speaking of which!

Jim Keller predicts Zen5's perf:

https://twitter.com/tomshardware/sta...636995/photo/1


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ji...ign=socialflow

The predictions put Tenstorrent's upcoming CPU core comfortably ahead of Intel's Sapphire Rapids (7.45 points), Nvidia's Grace (7.44 points), and AMD's Zen 4 (6.80 points). Yet, AMD's Zen 5 is projected to hit 8.84 points, making it the absolute integer performance champion in 2024 – 2025.

[KAC]

So decision time…

13900K
7800X3D
Wait for next gen

Tell me how it is…

[Nagorak]

I would say just wait. Going up to anything requires a platform change and memory change. With 5800X3D still competitive you may as well push that further into the future.

I did hand my 5800X3D system down to a family member and went up to 7800X3D but I half regret it just based on the overall hassle.

[KAC]

Do you see material gains in games?

[KAC]

Still asking the question on this dead forum.

[the_sextein]

So decision time…

13900K
7800X3D
Wait for next gen

Tell me how it is…

If I were in your shoes I'd wait for next gen. The 7950X3D, 13900K, and 7800X3D all play games at similar performance levels which amounts to about a 10% performance advantage over the 5800X3D at 1080P and less than 5% more performance at 4K. Most likely you wouldn't notice any difference at all without an FPS counter.

If I had to buy one now, I would buy the 7950X3D since it has similar gaming performance and multi tasking performance to the 13900K while using half the power and on a platform that has a future. Upgrading to a 13900K would mean buying a new platform and then being forced to replace it again when the next big thing comes along plus it consumes 300 Watts of power and runs over 100C. The 7800X3D is pretty much just a 7950X3D without the extra cores for multi tasking which keeps it from being direct competition with the 13900K and since games are not all that power hungry, I wouldn't consider it's power efficiency all that important though it is impressive. Power efficiency matters for productive workloads that use 16 cores or more but otherwise I wouldn't consider it all that important.

You could save some money going with the 7800X3D if gaming is all you do but I doubt money is really a concern for someone who upgrades as often as you do. Personally, I bought a 7950X and I figure I will remain GPU bound until 2025. At that point, I will probably buy the last supported and most powerful X3D chip I can get and then use that for another 4 years. I might abandon that idea if my system RAM starts to become a bottleneck but with 3D Vcache it doesn't seem to be all that important anymore so I'm hoping I will be able to get by. The difference between DDR 6000Mhz and DDR5 8000Mhz is only a couple percent and not worth worrying about in my opinion. Don't know if Bios updates for my board might allow it to run faster RAM in the future but I plan to buy one motherboard and 2 CPU's over the course of 7 years. I figure I will be GPU bound the entire time. Probably buy 3 or 4 GPU's during that time. Your 5800X3D is about as fast as my 7950X when it comes to gaming, you are not going to gain much of anything in real world for performance from any CPU for a few years. Most of my games are limited by my refresh rate or GPU.

[KAC]

Thanks man. That makes a ton of sense. Also I am not getting a good price for my setup. Will probably get 450 for it and end up spending 1 G for a 7800X3D to get that 5%. Which I can achieve by just clocking my 4090. Since I started playing 4K things do get a bit hairy when you crank everything to 11 but doesn’t seem CPU does much at that point. Some peeps are talking about better minimums with a 7800X3D but not sure I have games that will benefit from those. Plus when you have frame gen on, things just work fine for the most part.

[KAC]

Getting ~600 for my setup now. New one would be ~1050.

[KAC]

Seems now it’s about 500 for my setup and 1000 for new one.

[KAC]

X3D chips dying due to over voltage. Upgrade your mobo bioses.

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X3D chips dying due to over voltage. Upgrade your mobo bioses.

Did they have BIOSes that fixes it? I heard the work around is manually set the timing instead of using EXPO. Is this affecting MOBOs other than ASUS and Gigabyte?