Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[KAC]

Of course I know its a different architecture. I meant scam in the sense that they locked 5800X3D without a real reason and now have this chip that is so close to the 5800X3D that it doesn't make sense.

On the 17% claim, honestly I haven't seen it. The 7000 series is getting its 15-17% gain because it also clocks about 0.6-0.7 GHz higher on single core and about 0.5-0.8 GHz on all core. I doubt, clock for clock it is really gaining that 17%.

Also given AMD numbers lately, I would trust their comments about performance as much as I would trust a Dutch pedo telling me there is candy in the orange van.

[0091/2]

Of course I know its a different architecture. I meant scam in the sense that they locked 5800X3D without a real reason and now have this chip that is so close to the 5800X3D that it doesn't make sense.

On the 17% claim, honestly I haven't seen it. The 7000 series is getting its 15-17% gain because it also clocks about 0.6-0.7 GHz higher on single core and about 0.5-0.8 GHz on all core. I doubt, clock for clock it is really gaining that 17%.

Also given AMD numbers lately, I would trust their comments about performance as much as I would trust a Dutch pedo telling me there is candy in the orange van.

I thought AMD locked because of the v-cache can't handle over 1.35v so they didn't want to risk the returns.
Kitguru review shows clock for clock gains vs zen 3.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/c...n-4-review/20/

[KAC]

Gaming dude. Don't care about productivity. Also those are handpicked benches already showing differences depending on app.

[demo]

Of course I know its a different architecture. I meant scam in the sense that they locked 5800X3D without a real reason and now have this chip that is so close to the 5800X3D that it doesn't make sense.

On the 17% claim, honestly I haven't seen it. The 7000 series is getting its 15-17% gain because it also clocks about 0.6-0.7 GHz higher on single core and about 0.5-0.8 GHz on all core. I doubt, clock for clock it is really gaining that 17%.

Also given AMD numbers lately, I would trust their comments about performance as much as I would trust a Dutch pedo telling me there is candy in the orange van.

It's not close. They are claiming it's 20-30% faster than 5800X3D.

As for Zen4 uplift, 7700X vs 5800X is 22% faster in gaming here. Likely ~17% from IPC as claimed, and another ~5% from higher clocks.

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[KAC]

Hmm, this is not the kind of results that I saw at launch time. I am waiting for X3D procs and will pickup the one that makes the most sense.

[demo]

Hrmm you might be right KAC. There's something odd about this announcement.. they might be duds.

[pax]

Id just wait for reviews. 5800X3D was anywhere from no improvement to a couple slight losses vs the 5800x vanilla to 40% increase in a couple games. Averaging about 15% uplift so it depends what games you care for to spend the extra $.

[KAC]

I am waiting for reviews. Otherwise will throw a 13900K system together.

[Nagorak]

Hrmm you might be right KAC. There's something odd about this announcement.. they might be duds.

I don't fully agree with the guy's reasoning. He has a fair point about some of the benchmarks that are picked out (they're comparing Zen 3 vs Zen 4 vs really comparing the effect of vcache). But even if the 7800X3D were to only tie the 5800X3D in games that vcache benefits (which seems unrealistic, it should be at least 10% faster from clock speed alone, plus you'd think a little from IPC), yet run at Zen 4 speeds in games that don't benefit, that would still be a really fast gaming CPU.

I'd guess it would be enough for the CPU to take the gaming crown, considering the 5800X3D is only about 10% down on average from the 13900K, and the 7700X is like 5% down from it.

You also have to consider how relevant the performance is in some of the games that the 5800X3D does poorly in. If you're already getting 400+ fps in CS:GO then I'd argue it makes no difference whether one CPU is faster in that game or not. I also doubt a seriously dated game like that will serve as a solid reference point for how future games will perform.

Either way wait for third party reviews, but I am hopeful about the 7800X3D.

[Tyr-Sog]

I just moved from a i5 6600k to a ryzen 5 5600x Yay me! Still working on the setup. Hoping to see some improvements.

[Tyr-Sog]

I just moved from a i5 6600k to a ryzen 5 5600x Yay me! Still working on the setup. Hoping to see some improvements.

Returned the 5600x and bought the 5800x3d instead.

[Nagorak]

Returned the 5600x and bought the 5800x3d instead.

Probably a good choice if you're going to be using it for many years.

[Nagorak]

What are your guys' thoughts on paying up for an Extreme board for PCI-e 5 for the GPU? Obviously it's not worth anything now, but if AM5 has the same longevity as AM4 do you think it would be worth it 4 or 5 years out? Will it be a decent difference at that point, or still not really relevant?

Extreme boards also tend to cost a fair bit more than a non-extreme, so I suppose you could also just save the money and buy a new board down the road probably for lower prices than currently.

[demo]

May as well as you also get pcie5 for storage.

[KAC]

What’s a good board? I am confused af about AM5. Seems all boards start at 300 smokes. I would like a X670E board but any known brand is 400+. I used to pay 400 for a CPU ffs.

Can someone link me. Most likely I might go 7950X3D.

[demo]

Go for an MSI Carbon or ASUS Strix if you don't want to stretch for an ACE or Hero.

[KAC]

Those are like 500$ boards. Wtf?
Is the ASUS TUF X670E not enough? What about Prime Strix or whatever the ASUS X670E-A board is like?

[demo]

I'm sure those will do just fine. Most X670E boards seem over engineered.

[KAC]

Yeah, it's not like the damn thing is going to overclock worth anything. At this point I only need a board that can get 4 M2 slots at full speeds and doesn't mess up the PCI e lanes. Apparently that alone seems like a hurdle on stupid AMD platform in the past. Can you tell me which CPU and motherboard combo will allow for this (PCI e 5.0 16 X for gfx, PCI e 5.0 for 1 M2, PCI e 4.0 for remaining M2 slots X 3).

[pax]

Price and release dates of X3D chips:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...d_cpu_release/

Release dates and prices (from the images):

7800x3D: $449 4/6/2023

7900x3D: $599 2/28/2023

7950x3D: $699 2/28/2023

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[QUOTE=pax;n11059497]Price and release dates of X3D chips:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...d_cpu_release/


A whole month after (April) for the one that most people would like to buy. I`m not super happy with this decision. That being said, with all the back tracking that has been happening recently on the AMD web site concerning these CPUs, not sure I`ll believe anything until these are actually out.

[pax]

Only reason I can figure the 7800X3D is a month later is that they need to build up inventory for that part...or they want us to buy the pricier models...

[demo]

I believe they want to sell the higher models first knowing damn well the 7800x3d will have almost identical gaming performance and would cannibalise their sales.. X3D chips are after all gaming focused chips, no one is buying the 7950x3d for productivity.

[KAC]

Guess am waiting till April. 699$ 7950X3D. F that.

[pax]

No big surprise...

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/90209...ign=newsletter

AMD confirms it has been 'under shipping' CPUs and GPUs to keep prices stable

AMD confirms it's 'under shipping' and closely managing inventory as PC sales decline, and inventory management technique that has also kept prices high.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/90209...=newsletter

[Nagorak]

Kind of annoying that they are holding the 7800X3D back, but I will likely wait for it. For a gaming system more than 8 cores rarely matters, and I already have other 16 core systems for productivity tasks. I feel a single CCD is also more reliable for gaming. Although two CCDs works fine most of the time there is still the odd game that migrates threads between the CPUs resulting in lost or inconsistent performance, and that would be especially bad with the X3D versions. But we'll see what the reviews show. Maybe it won't be an issue.

With that being said the 7900X3D is kind of iffy for me because you only have six X3D cores. Six cores is generally enough for gaming now, but four cores (with not SMT) was also enough for gaming for a long time up until it suddenly wasn't. My i5 2500K was a great buy, but my i5 7600K definitely was not.

[pax]

This reminded me of the thick IHS on the 7000's but maybe its the weay to go in the futur. Where the IHS *is* the heatsink.


https://twitter.com/FanlessTech/stat...28393286811648

This i9 is passively cooled using a single block of copper, and results are surprisingly good (35°C idle, 80°C max) https://reddit.com/r/hardwaregore/comments/10mrrp5/passive_cooling_an_i9_with_a_8lb_block_of_copper/

https://i.redd.it/9u3hisu25oea1.jpg

[pax]

https://wccftech.com/simulated-amd-r...50x3d-7900x3d/

Lots of reviews at the link... They even simulated the 7800X3D that only comes out later by disabling one ccd on the 7950X3D. Overall cache trumps core speed in games.

[the_sextein]

Game performance isn't mind blowing but I'm still impressed. Its pretty much the same multi core and gaming performance as Intel with half the power draw. Runs games at 15C lower temps and production work at 20C lower temps. Requires a less powerful cooler and comes with a platform that has more PCIE 5.0 lanes and longer support. Pretty great chip. I'd buy one if I were looking to build a PC right now. Pretty cool how the CCD without cache allows it to pretty much keep up with the 7950X while using the 8 cores with cache to give it a 14% uplift in gaming.

[KAC]

Should’ve bought 13900K when I wanted to. What a waste of my time.

[pax]

Really depends on the game but some games get a massive uplift. Kind of hoping the ryzen 8000's ups the core count per ccd to 12 to 16 and get the X3D of that in a couple years. Id still probably only get the 8 core of that as its plenty for games and upgrade the platform later with the ryzen 9000's tho that might be the end of the road for am5 at that point.

[Nagorak]

I think the HUB review is the best since it simulates the 7800X3D. Although in a couple of cases the dual CCD part comes out ahead, in others it falls quite a bit behind, suggesting the whole CPU selection thing isn't working 100%. For just a gaming build I think the 7800X3D makes the most sense, and I will likely wait to get it.

[Megaman]

Game performance isn't mind blowing but I'm still impressed. Its pretty much the same multi core and gaming performance as Intel with half the power draw. Runs games at 15C lower temps and production work at 20C lower temps. Requires a less powerful cooler and comes with a platform that has more PCIE 5.0 lanes and longer support. Pretty great chip. I'd buy one if I were looking to build a PC right now. Pretty cool how the CCD without cache allows it to pretty much keep up with the 7950X while using the 8 cores with cache to give it a 14% uplift in gaming.

Haven’t seen reviews yet. Seems like the CPU like dope?

[KAC]

No its not dope. It is utter garbage for the price point.
Power draw nonsense at least I don't care about.

[demo]

Initial pricing aside, I think it's a great looking CPU.

[pax]

No its not dope. It is utter garbage for the price point.
Power draw nonsense at least I don't care about.

Yea but the 7800X3D will be way less than the 13900ks and blow it out of the water at least in some key games... If price is the only issue just wait another month.

[demo]

Geez all the hoops one needs to jump through concerning drivers, bios, gamebar, and other settings and updates just to get it working right is a bit much..

[KAC]

I have a 5800x3D. I don’t think anyone is blowing anyone out of the water. It is about the platform not the price. Intel 13900K seems like the most well rounded CPU without having to worry about schedulers and other crap. Just plug in and play all day. When it’s time to do some productivity work, it also smashes that. I really should’ve listened to my gut and bought the 13900K when it came out.

And yes, it is a pain to get it working. Btw if the game is not "detected" both CCDs will be running and it will diminish the experience in the game a bit.

On topic of price, I think HU said you can build an Intel for 1 G and an AMD for 1.2 G. 20% price increase for similar performance and compatibility issues down the line. No thanks please.

[0091/2]

Can you manually select on the fly the scheduler to Prefer Cache or Frequency for a particular app? Techpowerup has benchmark results for both of those. I don't understand how they're doing it.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...950x3d/21.html

[the_sextein]

KAC, If you are actually using your CPU for productivity then I don't know how using half the power and running 20C lower temp wouldn't matter. My runs half the day which is why the 7950X was a no brainer over the13900K. Either way the AMD platform has more PICE 5 lanes so your NVME drive doesn't crimp your GPU and the socket will be supported into the future while Intels isn't.

Intel's CPU isn't faster at anything and is an inferior design. The 5800X3D is about the speed of the 13900K when it comes to games so I don't know why you would even care to upgrade for gaming purposes as there is no difference between 80FPS at 180FPS. If you think it matters than I would suggest you curb your OCD, cause it's clearly a mental thing that is allowing you to be taken advantage of by dumb companies.

The 5800X3D will be good to go for 2 more years at least before any game becomes CPU bound at 4k. That's why I didn't care about a couple percent slower performance in games when I bought my 7950X. Everything is GPU bound at 4k and I will always push to 6K DLDSR if I have the power to do so. I'll be GPU bound for a long time. Buying a faster chip means it will provide no difference until it's end of life where it's CPU bind will be less and allow you to use it longer. If you replace your CPU's before they become a bottleneck then there is no reason to even care how fast they are. Buy a midrange CPU and replace it next year if you can't refrain from constantly buying stuff. It will save you alot more than $200.

BTW, I'm not saying this to talk down to you or disrespect you, I'm giving you my honest opinion. The upgrade from the 5900 to a 5800X3D was a bad decision and upgrading again from the 5800X3D to the 13900K is a waste as well. Unless you are doing heavy rendering or video editing. If that is the case then AMD is the far better choice as they offer the best performance with the lowest temps and longer platform support.