Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[Nunz]

I mean, after the last time, you'd think that AMD would have learned.

Nah. Everyone will just blame MS for it, even though it's AMD's responsibility.

[pax]

Kind of used to seeing MS not address issues for years I mean its not hard to cast blame. You'd think they would give us a smidgen of flexibility to customize the UI to remove dumb **** like slider menus on left click. Stuff meant for touchscreens slapped on desktops. After years of people asking they havent.

[pax]

If that's true then wouldn't the 7700X fly past every other current CPUs in gaming?

Well if they have a power limit on 7700x of 125w vs 230w on the 7950x it might play into it.

[Nunz]

Kind of used to seeing MS not address issues for years I mean its not hard to cast blame. You'd think they would give us a smidgen of flexibility to customize the UI to remove dumb **** like slider menus on left click. Stuff meant for touchscreens slapped on desktops. After years of people asking they havent.

What does MS not giving you enough customization functions have to do with AMD working with MS to make sure the scheduler acknowledges the cores+SMT properly?

[pax]

What does MS not giving you enough customization functions have to do with AMD working with MS to make sure the scheduler acknowledges the cores+SMT properly?

Well we dont know either way who is more responsible for the bad scheduler but my money is not on the one that has more to lose. MS OS is now virtually free and one can feel they dont want to put that much work into it before releasing a version. Might explain the click through problem that I saw for a short time last winter. An old problem that krept out of the attic for a short while until a new patch stamped it out again. MS Win is near free, they make more off their office software but need their os to be ubiquitous to help sell it. But AMD sells its cpus at a premium.

Unless someone knows that AMD is the one that wrote the scheduler I think MS is more likely the lazy culprit that didnt put the engineering resources behind it.

[andino]

I thought it was up to the hardware vendors to give MS the changes that they need.

It's not MS responsibility to build the drivers for other companies' parts, is it?

[Nunz]

I thought it was up to the hardware vendors to give MS the changes that they need.

It's not MS responsibility to build the drivers for other companies' parts, is it?

Exactly.

AMD doesn't write the scheduler, but it's their responsibility to go to MS and say "hey, we noticed this is an issue, we have XYZ as a solution" or act as advisors/consultants. I don't know why anyone would assume it's MS job to fix the scheduler for AMD.

Especially after Intel invested resources into working with MS to get the scheduler to work properly with their hybrid core designs.. the precedent just isn't there.

[pax]

Could be wrong but pretty sure last time the problem came up it wasnt a driver issue. It was just the scheduler.

[andino]

Could be wrong but pretty sure last time the problem came up it wasnt a driver issue. It was just the scheduler.

What tells the scheduler to work with the hardware?

[Napoleonic]

Exactly.



AMD doesn't write the scheduler, but it's their responsibility to go to MS and say "hey, we noticed this is an issue, we have XYZ as a solution" or act as advisors/consultants. I don't know why anyone would assume it's MS job to fix the scheduler for AMD.



Especially after Intel invested resources into working with MS to get the scheduler to work properly with their hybrid core designs.. the precedent just isn't there.

I can't agree, software issue is for the software maker to solve it, like when games doesn't support ultrawide resolutions, can't expect monitor makers to tell game developers to support their display, it's the game developers that have to make sure that their customers (gamers who bought the game) get equal treatment when they're using the software.

[pax]

I remembered the 2017 issue as I bought into ryzen at the start and I think the confusion was that amd issued a temp fix in their chipset driver while MS fixed the scheduler. Gave the impression amd was at fault but the chipset fix was a temp one.

Is it possible amd forgot to tell MS something? Sure but highly unlikely. MS has a 1001 issues to program for, the scheduler for a small percentage of the cpu market for a small bit of perf in some games is probably not top of mind when you want your OS out in time for market. Which is to sell pre builts for business to run new business/productivity software ASAP. PC Games are not a priority in that market for MS. They are for AMD tho whose main biz in PC for a long time was DIY which is a lot if not mainly gamers.

Things should change now what all ryzens have small gpus in them so they can start to sell into that huge oem biz that intel had locked up for so long. Also intel also had some scheduler issues back then and also recently. Affecting I imagine its top end not its mainstream offerings.

Intel first link:

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/win-11...r-issues.3470/

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-an....569990.0.html

Kind of crazy since this issue was resolved in win 10. To have it crop up in old cpus again in Win 11 was obviously a MS issue.

The old 2017 issue:

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-perfo...scheduler-bug/

Not that it matters that much lets just hope it doesnt take months again...

[Riptide]

Regardless of who we need to burn at the stake for it the problem will be resolved sooner or later.

I kinda wonder how much this hurts them on the initial reviews and also when tested against the 13th gen intel stuff.

Timing could be better lol

[andino]

Which is why AMD should have worked with MS to make sure that their flagship CPU was working correctly.

[the_sextein]

Got my 4090 today. Finished my build finally.

[pax]

Is it sagging a bit or a lens effect? Id brace it just to be on the safe side.

[the_sextein]

If it is, then it's not by very much. I just installed it. I can't use the support bracket because my motherboard that defies all standards won't allow it. The screw hole is too close to the RAM slots so the bracket won't fit. The card is actually very light considering it's size it looks much more heavy than it is. I think my 3090 is more heavy. I don't move the system around so it will have to do.

[Riptide]

Looks great.

Is that a windforce OC or a regular windforce? Other than RGB and 15mhz core clock I can't find any other differences between the two.

[Android1]

AMD Ryzen 7000 X3D "Zen 4" 3D V-Cache CPUs to Be Unveiled at CES 2023

That’s not too long from now!

AMD is planning to unveil its next-generation 3D V-Cache CPUs based on the Zen 4 architecture, the Ryzen 7000 X3D, at CES 2023.

Currently, AMD's Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" CPUs trade blows with Intel's 12th Gen Alder Lake CPUs and sometimes get ahead of them. AMD is also facing competition with its own AM4 parts such as the 5800X3D and has lowered production of its Zen 4 CPUs amidst lower demand. But the chip maker will be utilizing this capacity to manufacture the X3D parts which they are hoping will attract lots of new gamers on the AM5 platform.

Currently, there are no confirmed SKUs but we are hearing there might be two SKUs this time around instead of one on the AM4 platform. One SKU will be targeted at enthusiasts while the other will be targeted as a mainstream gaming option. These are yet to be finalized but we will keep you updated.

Source: Wccftech

[the_sextein]

Looks great.

Is that a windforce OC or a regular windforce? Other than RGB and 15mhz core clock I can't find any other differences between the two.

It's the OC. It's got dual bios but otherwise I don't see much value in the ridiculous OC and I can't use the support bracket. I will say it's very quiet in quiet mode and only runs 5C more hot than my 3090 in normal operating conditions while being noticeably more quiet. Temps vary from 65C to 70C depending on the game. Can't complain though, I'm just happy I got one at all.

[pax]

If it is, then it's not by very much. I just installed it. I can't use the support bracket because my motherboard that defies all standards won't allow it. The screw hole is too close to the RAM slots so the bracket won't fit. The card is actually very light considering it's size it looks much more heavy than it is. I think my 3090 is more heavy. I don't move the system around so it will have to do.

Funny you say that air coolers do see to have become super light. The one I just got the DC Assassin 3 surprised me for that. Huge but light and performs well. Way lighter than others Ive had in the past.

Id still 3d print or jerry rig something just on the corner to the ps cover. I bet theres aftermarket for that mode. Im thinking of preempting a buy on that if I buy the 7900xt which is supposed to get the same aib coolers as the 4090s.

But damn they are big... Itll cover most spare pcie slots.

[the_sextein]

Or I could go outside and snap a twig off a tree and prop it under there. It would really add that natural flavor of nature to the build you know Most of the cooler is air and thin aluminum heat spreader fins. The 3090 is actually much more heavy but it is an inch or two shorter. I'll probably cut a quarter inch thick piece of black Delrin that is about 2 inches long and push it under there when I get the time.

[Riptide]

Can you prop it up with one of pax's barbie dolls?

[pax]

I do have couple GI Joe dolls in the basement somewhere from the 70's but the plastic ight be a bit dried out. Fire hazard? Course my sister never forgave me what I did with her barbie dolls and Joe... I could ask her lol.

[Riptide]

A transformer would maybe make a cool prop. Wish I still had mine.

[bill dennison]

EK just delayed my waterblock a full month


.................


get a little forklift to prop that thing up

[andino]

EK just delayed my waterblock a full month

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-P...dp/B0B842ZKPH/

To hold you over.

[Mangler]

EK just delayed my waterblock a full month


.................


get a little forklift to prop that thing up

Can't you just use that old supremacy?

It's not like a fancy, new WB will perform any better than that ancient thing.

[andino]

Can't you just use that old supremacy?

It's not like a fancy, new WB will perform any better than that ancient thing.

The mounting is different from AM4 to AM5.

The height size is the same but the way that they mount the water blocks is different.

So if you have a AM4 water block you can still use it but you need to have the mounting adapter. The problem is that all the water block companies have said that they'll provide the adapters but they haven't started making them yet.

So, maybe a month for the new adapters.

Or you can buy their new water blocks and get them here in a few days.

[Mangler]

The mounting is different from AM4 to AM5.

The height size is the same but the way that they mount the water blocks is different.

So if you have a AM4 water block you can still use it but you need to have the mounting adapter. The problem is that all the water block companies have said that they'll provide the adapters but they haven't started making them yet.

So, maybe a month for the new adapters.

Or you can buy their new water blocks and get them here in a few days.

The supremacy works with am5, it screws directly into the stock backplate.

It's kind of funny that the block that is EOL is the only block from EK that works with am5 out of the box.

[andino]

The supremacy works with am5, it screws directly into the stock backplate.

It's kind of funny that the block that is EOL is the only block from EK that works with am5 out of the box.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EKWB/commen...ity_ekquantum/

Sorry, I was going off of this thread.

[bill dennison]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EKWB/commen...ity_ekquantum/

Sorry, I was going off of this thread.

that is the newer Quantum Velocity

my supremacy would work

but it is very old for AZ with things like gaskets and o rings

and a little over 5 years since my 1800x of running 24/7 i will be very surprised if the fins have not lost some metal from erosion

[demo]

So I have joined the dark side, or good side, I can't remember anymore.

It was an extremely difficult decision given pricing and intel is firmly in the lead for now, but in the end X3D upgrade path and beyond pushed me towards AMD. The intel platform is a dead end.

Incoming:

7700x as place holder until X3D
x670e Crosshair Hero
6000Mts CL30 Gskill

[bill dennison]

So I have joined the dark side, or good side, I can't remember anymore.

It was an extremely difficult decision given pricing and intel is firmly in the lead for now, but in the end X3D upgrade path and beyond pushed me towards AMD. The intel platform is a dead end.

Incoming:

7700x as place holder until X3D
x670e Crosshair Hero
6000Mts CL30 Gskill

nice have fon with it

.........

what you didn't want a CPU that used more watts than you 4090
next Intel CPU's will need 2- 8 pin pcie power plugs

[the_sextein]

Did some monitoring with HW info while I played RDR 2 for an hour. All 16 cores boosted to 6Ghz at some point. CPU temps never exceeded 58C. My corsair AIO is currently set on balanced mode.

DD5 gets a bit toasty though. Almost 55C which is about 10C more hot than my DDR 4 kits that I owned in the past.



BTW demo, welcome aboard. I'm very pleased with stability and efficiency so far. Multicore is awesome and gaming remains GPU bound. Can't complain.

[demo]

Cheers. I'm just hoping my AIO will fit until I get water blocks.

I took a chance and ordered one of these retention kits, it only states AM4.. Will it work?

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/...SABEgIwt_D_BwE

[bill dennison]

Cheers. I'm just hoping my AIO will fit until I get water blocks.

I took a chance and ordered one of these retention kits, it only states AM4.. Will it work?

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/...SABEgIwt_D_BwE

i think so

as long as it does not need a new back plate a AM4 kit should work

[the_sextein]

Cheers. I'm just hoping my AIO will fit until I get water blocks.

I took a chance and ordered one of these retention kits, it only states AM4.. Will it work?

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/...SABEgIwt_D_BwE

Yes it will work. It's the same as my Corsair AIO and it works without a hitch.

[demo]

Excellent, thanks.

[andino]

So I have joined the dark side, or good side, I can't remember anymore.

It was an extremely difficult decision given pricing and intel is firmly in the lead for now, but in the end X3D upgrade path and beyond pushed me towards AMD. The intel platform is a dead end.

Incoming:

7700x as place holder until X3D
x670e Crosshair Hero
6000Mts CL30 Gskill

I did the same.

7950x came in today.
2TB 980 came in today.
Ram tomorrow.
Asus Hero comes on Tuesday.

Water block - ????

[Mangler]

I went with a strix and a 7700x, I could not justify paying more for my MB than my CPU.

I'm not sure if I want to wait for the am5 kit for my old velocity block or just use the corsair block that I bought on a sale.

The XC7 will probably perform better than my old ek block, but it just feels so cheap and flimsy.