Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[Nunz]

For waterblocks, WaterCool is going to release the HeatKiller V for AM5/LGA17xx apparently soon.

As for the IHS .. I called it. That thickness results in the thermal transfer being significantly reduced. I'm wondering if we'll see custom IHS for Zen4/AM5 going forward.. the direct-die results from Derbauer were very, very impressive, but it also means that AMD did not do a good job from the factory. 20c differentials between cores means the stock IHS mount is making poor contact with the die.. that's not really acceptable on a chip that is hitting 95c in 8 seconds of a workload, while also throttling purely based off temperature of the hottest core.

Glad to see de-lidding making a comeback for AMD, and direct-die solutions becoming more common. I think any user that is moderately comfortable with PC hardware should be looking into a direct-die mount; there will be worthwhile performance gain just off the gained thermal headroom even at stock conditions, not to mention that lower heat is better for the chip, especially when it's pushing 225w+. Heat, Current, Wattage are the three killers.

I'm really shocked AMD completely gave up on efficiency this generation. The gains over the 5000 series are there, but it cost them every inch of efficiency they had.

I think Raptor Lake has potential to take back a lot of ground for Intel in the efficiency department. Intel has been hammered for high power usage for years, but AMD is now hand-to-hand with Intel in this aspect.

[Riptide]

They say you can set the thermal limit to 75C with a negligible performance loss.

Read that myself and I guess the MSI boards have a feature in there that makes it super easy to set it and forget it. You can notch it down to 85c or 75c iirc.

Congrats thats 4

UPS has mine for tomorow

CPU and motherboard here today on my end too. I might stay up tonight since I have Friday off. We'll see. I was up at 4AM today and apparently kept the wife up with snoring last night.

Might be pretty wiped out after work lol

Corsair H170i Elite in a 7000X case.

Looks great. I have a 360AIO too but unfortunately with this bequiet 500dx I can't mount it up top and so it has to go up front. In that spot I have to run the cooling lines oriented up top on the radiator which is not the recommended position. Seems to work OK though.

This guy on reddit ran a bunch of coolers and apparently air works better than we would expect... tho he recommends good aio's for the bigger chips.

Was reading that same thing last night. Interesting results. It seems you could put a 7950x on a wraith prism and still get reasonably good results. If you want the best performance you need better cooling but you could easily get by on something less robust and not pay a huge penalty in performance. Seems pretty flexible to me really.

[pax]

https://videocardz.com/newz/sixteen-...ve-been-leaked

Sixteen AMD B650E/B650 motherboards for Ryzen 7000 CPUs have been leaked

Says prices should start at 125$ but that might be the low end a620's

[acroig]

When is cheaper DDR5 with EXPO coming in?

[0091/2]

For waterblocks, WaterCool is going to release the HeatKiller V for AM5/LGA17xx apparently soon.

As for the IHS .. I called it. That thickness results in the thermal transfer being significantly reduced. I'm wondering if we'll see custom IHS for Zen4/AM5 going forward.. the direct-die results from Derbauer were very, very impressive, but it also means that AMD did not do a good job from the factory. 20c differentials between cores means the stock IHS mount is making poor contact with the die.. that's not really acceptable on a chip that is hitting 95c in 8 seconds of a workload, while also throttling purely based off temperature of the hottest core.

Glad to see de-lidding making a comeback for AMD, and direct-die solutions becoming more common. I think any user that is moderately comfortable with PC hardware should be looking into a direct-die mount; there will be worthwhile performance gain just off the gained thermal headroom even at stock conditions, not to mention that lower heat is better for the chip, especially when it's pushing 225w+. Heat, Current, Wattage are the three killers.

I'm really shocked AMD completely gave up on efficiency this generation. The gains over the 5000 series are there, but it cost them every inch of efficiency they had.

I think Raptor Lake has potential to take back a lot of ground for Intel in the efficiency department. Intel has been hammered for high power usage for years, but AMD is now hand-to-hand with Intel in this aspect.

why did AMD make it so thick? Does AMD not test these things?

[Mangler]

why did AMD make it so thick? Does AMD not test these things?

To make it compatible with am4 heatsinks.

[AllexxisF1]

I wonder if they're gonna need that headroom for the 3XD versions that are coming, which explains the thicker IHS.

[Nunz]

How does a thicker IHS result in more headroom? It's not creating any headroom.. if anything, it's reducing the ability of the IHS to transfer heat.

[metroidfox]

I wonder if they're gonna need that headroom for the 3XD versions that are coming, which explains the thicker IHS.

How does a thicker IHS result in more headroom? It's not creating any headroom.. if anything, it's reducing the ability of the IHS to transfer heat.

Think Allexxiss means that there is literal, physical headroom for the cache.

[Riptide]

Motherboard is here sitting at my desk. No CPU yet, not out for delivery even though it showed as arrived at the facility before 8PM last night.

If I get the CPU today then I'm going to start working on this tonight and finish it up tomorrow.

[acroig]

Motherboard is here sitting at my desk. No CPU yet, not out for delivery even though it showed as arrived at the facility before 8PM last night.

If I get the CPU today then I'm going to start working on this tonight and finish it up tomorrow.

What RAM you using on your build?

[bill dennison]

Think Allexxiss means that there is literal, physical headroom for the cache.

if the 3XD version chip is taller they cam make the IHS thiner

but i don't think it will be that much if they make it

they got the 5800x3d in the same thiner IHS

[Nunz]

Think Allexxiss means that there is literal, physical headroom for the cache.

I don't know why that would be; 5800X3D used the exact same IHS design. As far as I can tell, AMD opted for compatibility over raw performance; not sure I agree with that route, but hey. This is why coolers with LGA12xx mounting required new brackets to bring the cooler down, as LGA1700 was a thinner IHS. Those who tried using LGA12xx mounting on ASUS boards had poor temps because the mounting pressure was all out-of-whack.

[bill dennison]

I don't know why that would be; 5800X3D used the exact same IHS design. As far as I can tell, AMD opted for compatibility over raw performance; not sure I agree with that route, but hey. This is why coolers with LGA12xx mounting required new brackets to bring the cooler down, as LGA1700 was a thinner IHS. Those who tried using LGA12xx mounting on ASUS boards had poor temps because the mounting pressure was all out-of-whack.

i don't know why for most full waterblocks you would just have to add 4 washers under the top springs

and the cooler makers would love to make all new coolers or adpters

[Nunz]

I don't know either. Maybe it has something to do with the fact they put the capacitors on the top of the chip resulting in the weird claw design

[bill dennison]

oh well just waiting on Amazon with the drive now



whats the best place to get a windows 11 pro license key ?

[Riptide]

^^

Bill get to work man. You can start that install before the drive shows up.

What RAM you using on your build?

Hynix-M. AKA Kingston Renegade CL32 6400 M/T. 2x16GB. It's on the compatibility list.

Regarding the IHS on these chips. Are you supposed to put paste on the clawed edges or just the main flat part of it? Spreading that stuff on there is going to take longer if you need to cover those weird edges on the thing.

[Nunz]

Get my Win11 keys from G2A for $30. Never failed me.

Thermal Paste only goes on surfaces making contact. The edges don't touch your cooler; only put it on the flat surface.

[Riptide]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/no...recommendation

So a 4mm dot in the middle is all they recommend now. Oh well easy peasy.

The clawed edges I was talking about are level with the IHS AFAIK btw. The IHS isn't a simple four sided square this time around.

[bill dennison]

^^

Bill get to work man. You can start that install before the drive shows up.


Hynix-M. AKA Kingston Renegade CL32 6400 M/T. 2x16GB. It's on the compatibility list.

Regarding the IHS on these chips. Are you supposed to put paste on the clawed edges or just the main flat part of it? Spreading that stuff on there is going to take longer if you need to cover those weird edges on the thing.

there

not a lot


need the drive now before i put that big ass tower cooler on
that is a big ass NVMe drive heatsink
they should have put a water passage in it


i got to pull my bike trainer system apart now

[Riptide]

Excellent.

I'm debating whether I want to remove my sabrent cooler from my NVME drive or leave it on there when I go to put it all together. It's not butt ugly or anything and it is pretty functional. But the motherboard included spreader looks like it belongs there more.

Aesthetics are important these days you know.

[acroig]

Hynix-M. AKA Kingston Renegade CL32 6400 M/T. 2x16GB. It's on the compatibility list.

Thanks!

[bill dennison]

seems i need 2 new power plugs now


needs 2 CPU plugs now


and i think a 6 pin VGA/PCIe cable next to ATX PWR





......

we are sure losing PCIE slots


better hope they don't do SLI/CFX again


now to dig up cables out in the shed

[Mangler]

I think mustard and ketchup psu cable has been outlawed, you better address that before the fashion police shows up at your door.

[OverclockN']

I think mustard and ketchup psu cable has been outlawed, you better address that before the fashion police shows up at your door.

[bill dennison]

I think mustard and ketchup psu cable has been outlawed, you better address that before the fashion police shows up at your door.

let them come

and say hello to my little friend


........
and some of them are hard wired to the PSU
and id NV with the 4000's keep burning up plugs into the PSU's they will go back to hard wireing

[Riptide]

Looks like the CPU that was scanned in at the carrier depot (UPS) last night before 8PM may not get here today. The estimated delivery still shows today by 7PM but there is no scan showing out for delivery.

09/28/2022
7:42 P.M. On the Way
Arrived at Facility
Sparks, NV, United States

So either they missed the scan on the truck or somebody messed up and it didn't get loaded this morning.

I was told by chat to be "rest assured" it would be delivered today.

lol color me skeptical.

[bill dennison]

far as i can go till the drive





and death to fashion police with just one look of my little friend




since i am replacing that MB when i'm done .... i may clean it

[Riptide]

Needs more RGB.

What kinda PSU is that anyway is it even modular?

[bill dennison]

Needs more RGB.

What kinda PSU is that anyway is it even modular?

corsair hx1050 and mostly two PCIE and one CPU and the 24 pin motherboard connector are not



.......

i do think modular days are numbered with the power draw of coming cards

[bill dennison]

and in bios

i need to check for updates and load windows


that is a long first boot

[acroig]

Nice!!

[bill dennison]

only 3 Beta bios Versions think i'll wait

[bill dennison]

[Riptide]

Wow I didn't know the FLIR on your attack heli could see that far into your house.

UPS is out for delivery with the CPU as of 2PM this afternoon which is crazy IMO. Odds are they will be here - after we close the warehouse to receiving. Which is bloody fantastic timing. 2 day delivery to a non-residential address and they don't even get it on the truck until 2PM.

[bill dennison]

couldn't get windows to load till i remembered to set bios to load windows uefi

and had to run setup on wifi ethernet connector too new for windows setup

[Riptide]

UPS screwed me so I probably won't be able to get mine together until late next week. I had taken tomorrow off to do this and am out of town for a while after that. They didn't deliver the CPU today and by the time I can catch up with it tomorrow most likely won't have enough time.

[Nunz]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/no...recommendation

So a 4mm dot in the middle is all they recommend now. Oh well easy peasy.

The clawed edges I was talking about are level with the IHS AFAIK btw. The IHS isn't a simple four sided square this time around.

Thought you were talking about the drop down portion. Like I said, any surface making contact with the cooler should have thermal paste on it.

[bill dennison]

i just did what a always do

a small dot in the middle and then spread it around with my finger with a glove on very thin but not much on the clawed edges

then another small dot in the middle and put the heatsink on


all i had was the TIM that Noctua shipped with the heatsink everything else i had was dryed up

what is the best TIM now - non conductive

[Nunz]

I use KingpinX. Best performing paste I've used.. and it lasts a while. My 3080TI performs perfect over a year after application.