Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[Shapeshifter]

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gotta love rumor season.

[pax]

https://www.techpowerup.com/281289/d...gen3-nvme-ssds

Microsoft on Tuesday, in a developer presentation, confirmed that the DirectStorage API, designed to speed up the storage sub-system, is compatible even with NVMe SSDs that use the PCI-Express Gen 3 host interface. It also confirmed that all GPUs compatible with DirectX 12 support the feature. A feature making its way to the PC from consoles, DirectStorage enables the GPU to directly access an NVMe storage device, paving the way for GPU-accelerated decompression of game assets.

This works to reduce latencies at the storage sub-system level, and offload the CPU. Any DirectX 12-compatible GPU technically supports DirectStorage, according to Microsoft. The company however recommends DirectX 12 Ultimate GPUs "for the best experience." The GPU-accelerated game asset decompression is handled via compute shaders. In addition to reducing latencies; DirectStorage is said to accelerate the Sampler Feedback feature in DirectX 12 Ultimate.

Now if they could just put out some bioses... 5800x just hit MSRP up here and Im getting antsy.

[badsykes]

https://www.techpowerup.com/281289/d...gen3-nvme-ssds



Now if they could just put out some bioses... 5800x just hit MSRP up here and Im getting antsy.

By requesting a bios and seeing the rig in signature i assume you have the r7 1700 with vega64 and 1440p monitor
Now that i got myself in the herd with 1440p i analyzed the situation and there is zero reason NOW to buy a new CPU with the current gpu market condition if you have 400$ old gpu.
THe new CPU will be useless in gaming with vega64 in 1440p.The vega64 is way slow.I am talking 1440p ultra quality or high.So unless you are planning to buy a very fast gpu at current prices i am not sure why you would want to invest now in a new platform.A move would be to wait until the GPU prices return to a more ok price and buy then an entire new platform.There will a different CPU landscape too.
The only big reason i would switch now from Ryzen 1700 is frametime.The 1700 had a higher latency/frametime overall.Is it worth throwing money only for this ?

[pax]

Well cpu prices dropped a ton and Im even seeing 5950s available now so kind of hoping gpus arent too far behind...

[badsykes]

Well cpu prices dropped a ton and Im even seeing 5950s available now so kind of hoping gpus arent too far behind...

I won't deny what you said.I did contemplated myself but the current situations with gpu's may take 1 year or 2 or more to sort out.Are you willing to block the money 500$+ cpu and mainboard price and see no benefit ?

[pax]

I won't deny what you said.I did contemplated myself but the current situations with gpu's may take 1 year or 2 or more to sort out.Are you willing to block the money 500$+ cpu and mainboard price and see no benefit ?

Hmm not so sure about that mind you he has a 2080 super here but its not that much better from a vega 64:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...0x_to_a_5800x/

[badsykes]

Hmm not so sure about that mind you he has a 2080 super here but its not that much better from a vega 64:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...0x_to_a_5800x/

Pax that's a freaking 2080ti that he uses for benchmark.I know that one sees a big jump in performance from upgrading the CPU but we are talking about Vega here.

I know that vega56 and 5600xt are the same in performance.So looking at ryzen 5 1600 performance at 1440p ultra quality.

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[pax]

Meh its not meant to be just a cpu upgrade for sure. Running the Vega on it wouldnt be for the long term. I was kind of encouraged after Nagorak got his 6800xt at msrp the other day.

And for sure if they dont put out the bios for the mobo its not worth it to me. Not gonna shell for a mobo when I have a perfectly good one here that can run SAM and windows direct storage.

https://www.techradar.com/sg/news/mi...ou-might-think

[badsykes]

Meh its not meant to be just a cpu upgrade for sure. Running the Vega on it wouldnt be for the long term. I was kind of encouraged after Nagorak got his 6800xt at msrp the other day.

And for sure if they dont put out the bios for the mobo its not worth it to me. Not gonna shell for a mobo when I have a perfectly good one here that can run SAM and windows direct storage.

https://www.techradar.com/sg/news/mi...ou-might-think

Well if you want to go on hunt for GPU at msrp good luck.For me is not so motivating to lose so much time on this matter.I may actually wait for rtx4000 or 7000 series as they have better RTX.I am thinking to actually go directly to the new cards when they will apear unless i find a very good deal on a second hand RTX3090.I have a feeling that the prices on second hand gpu's will crash big time at some point.

[Nascar24]

Your dreaming there, 2nd hand GPU’s have yet to ever crash.

[badsykes]

Your dreaming there, 2nd hand GPU’s have yet to ever crash.

I said at some point :P

[KAC]

Is the yearly refresh also on AM4 socket? I am wondering if I should get the 5950X or stay on 5900X and wait for a refresh.

[badsykes]

Is the yearly refresh also on AM4 socket? I am wondering if I should get the 5950X or stay on 5900X and wait for a refresh.

Imo getting more ipc increase with the refresh may be more relevant than more cores in your case.

[Nascar24]

Is the yearly refresh also on AM4 socket? I am wondering if I should get the 5950X or stay on 5900X and wait for a refresh.

WTF! 5950X does zero for gamming over a 5900X.

[acroig]

WTF! 5950X does zero for gamming over a 5900X.

$ to burn.....

[Shapeshifter]

now the new rumor is warhol may be canned.

[pax]

Sounds like Alder Lake is more potent so they are moving up the am5/pcie5/ddr5 Zen 4 release instead.

[KAC]

So you are saying no AMD procs this year? What’s the latest news and not a rumor.

[Nunz]

now the new rumor is warhol may be canned.

Man, I remember when a couple special individuals here told me I was crazy for saying Warhol likely won't happen.

Weeeee

[Shapeshifter]

Man, I remember when a couple special individuals here told me I was crazy for saying Warhol likely won't happen.

Weeeee

https://twitter.com/Bullsh1t_buster/...07700895031299

Bullsh1t_Buster
@Bullsh1t_buster
AMD Warhol is cancelled.
Yes there's no more Warhol to be launched this year.
Zen3 XT Refresh eta is here but not soon.

Now twitter and chiphell are saying it's canned for sure, but an XT type "refresh" sounds like it will be coming for the 5000 series parts.

and then a new cpu for the second half of the year I can't imagine what it would be, still on AM4 apparently and not an APU. Since warhol (zen3+) is dead and it can't be zen4... perhaps something like Intel taking a 4790k and adding 128mb of L4 cache on it
and out pops broadwell.

That leaves say a zen 3 design with a very large cache at the cost of some cores perhaps limited to 8 cores and down.

Or it's a monolith design like their APU's are with the zen 3 core, but instead of an IGPU being in it it's all extra cache.

Also possible they are finally going to try something with 3d stacked cpu designs they have been talking about for years. Zen 3 cores with cache stacked on it perhaps even the I/O die if they go above 2 stack layers. This way they get to test it out on a mature "stable" platform (AM4) before it becomes prime time on AM5 for future cpu designs.

[Nunz]

They're not going to release a refresh with major changes. It'll be the same useless release that the 3000 "XT" series was; the one where they claimed major clock speed increases and that turned out to be false.

AMD has no reason to releaae Warhol (which is why they canned it), and they don't really need a refresh either. They can easily just focus on AM5 and ride out their current line-up. AMD would be stupid to drop down to 8-core and try to challenge Intel where they are superior. AMD's largest advantage is the core count, they would be making a mistake to throw that away.

[pax]

They might refresh the IO die dropping a node from 12nm to 7nm with more cache but theres no way they will drop the core counts. They've been talking about doing it for some time after apple leaves a lot more 7nm capacity to amd when they goto 5nm. They could also up the euv 7nm on the current cpus for better clocks which probably largely matched what warhol would do on 6nm.


AM5 was maybe 6-8 months after Warhol so made little sense to do it.

[Gandalfthewhite]

I think its more likely AMD saw rocket lake performance and the fab line shortage that they already have and said yeah we are good lets just focus on Zen 4 + AM5.

Also AMD still hasn't done zen3 based threadripper yet.

As for IO die I dont see it happening before AM5 but I do agree once AMD steps down on the CPU node it will bring the IO die to 7nm. I am really hoping we start seeing a push to give 4+ USB-C ports on mobos start taking away some of the 10+ USB-A ports we see.

[bill dennison]

I think its more likely AMD saw rocket lake performance and the fab line shortage that they already have and said yeah we are good lets just focus on Zen 4 + AM5.

Also AMD still hasn't done zen3 based threadripper yet.

As for IO die I dont see it happening before AM5 but I do agree once AMD steps down on the CPU node it will bring the IO die to 7nm. I am really hoping we start seeing a push to give 4+ USB-C ports on mobos start taking away some of the 10+ USB-A ports we see.

me to

can't buy a 5900 or 5950 at MSRP so i will wait for Zen 4 + AM5 and get a much bigger upgrade for about the same money
and my 3800x is doing good with a 2080 ti
and i just don't have the time or patience to get a GPU or CPU in this market, i could pay Ebay prices on both but as a rule i won't go more than 5% over MSRP


and being 5nm they won't have to compete with PS5 and Xbox X for chips

[Nascar24]

me to

can't buy a 5900 or 5950 at MSRP so i will wait for Zen 4 + AM5 and get a much bigger upgrade for about the same money
and my 3800x is doing good with a 2080 ti
and i just don't have the time or patience to get a GPU or CPU in this market, i could pay Ebay prices on both but as a rule i won't go more than 5% over MSRP


and being 5nm they won't have to compete with PS5 and Xbox X for chips

You got a long wait there Billy! And that's if it releases on schedule!

Release Date: mid/late 2022
"In Design" as of Nov 2018
"On Track" for 2021 launch as of Dec 9, 2019, possibly not true anymore
5 nm TSMC process
DDR5 memory support
Improves IPC by up to 29%
Server platform codenamed "Genoa", 320 W TDP, up to 400 W
Server socket: SP5, 6096-pin LGA
PCI-Express Gen 5
More cores per chiplet
Support for AVX512 instructions, also BFloat16 and "other ISA extensions."
Uses 3rd generation Infinity Fabric, which adds cache-coherent unified memory
Desktop changes socket to AM5
Uses Socket SP5 for EPYC
Nov 2020 statement from AMD: "Zen 4 is going to have a similar long list of things, where you look at everything from the caches, to the branch prediction, [to] the number of gates in the execution pipeline. Everything is scrutinized to squeeze more performance out."
Adds support for USB 4.0

[bill dennison]

You got a long wait there Billy! And that's if it releases on schedule!

Release Date: mid/late 2022
"In Design" as of Nov 2018
"On Track" for 2021 launch as of Dec 9, 2019, possibly not true anymore
5 nm TSMC process
DDR5 memory support
Improves IPC by up to 29%
Server platform codenamed "Genoa", 320 W TDP, up to 400 W
Server socket: SP5, 6096-pin LGA
PCI-Express Gen 5
More cores per chiplet
Support for AVX512 instructions, also BFloat16 and "other ISA extensions."
Uses 3rd generation Infinity Fabric, which adds cache-coherent unified memory
Desktop changes socket to AM5
Uses Socket SP5 for EPYC
Nov 2020 statement from AMD: "Zen 4 is going to have a similar long list of things, where you look at everything from the caches, to the branch prediction, [to] the number of gates in the execution pipeline. Everything is scrutinized to squeeze more performance out."
Adds support for USB 4.0

one it isn't that big of deal going from a 3800x to the 5900x i wanted at 4k


and so that is only a year i have been waiting a year and a half to go to a movie theater

[Nascar24]

Oh Billy! Looks like your the new.......

[bill dennison]

Oh Billy! Looks like your the new.......

sure shadow002

[Nagorak]

What is the major advantage of bringing the IO die to 7 nm? As far as I can tell most of the memory speed issues Ryzen 3000/5000 have is related to the cores or IF not being able to do it, the IO die will work fine at really high memory speeds in asynchronous mode. It seems like going to 7nm might result in a small amount of power savings, but the IO die doesn't really pull that much now when it is idle.

[pax]

Ive not seen a breakdown as to what there actually is on the IO die but what if it had a layer of cache? Moreso on 7nm than 12 nm?

[pax]

https://wccftech.com/amd-warns-mothe...t-on-am4-x370/

The issue isn't that motherboard makers don't want to release the BIOS, in fact, they have been trying hard to release BETA BIOS support for all boards but AMD is actively preventing them from releasing support on older X370 motherboards.

Following is the email posted by a forum member over at Hardwareluxx:

Hi Jörg,

Unfortunately, we received AMD's warning that X370 shouldn't support Vermeer CPU.
Obviously, some customer didn't operate it under table, AMD noticed it and said ASRock shouldn't do this anymore.

The attached file is BIOS and it is the last BIOS which I can provide for you in this case, please pass it to user under table.

Thanks,

Damnit...

[bill dennison]

https://wccftech.com/amd-warns-mothe...t-on-am4-x370/



Damnit...

AMD originally stated that the AM4 socket will be supported until 2020 and considering that Zen 3 based Ryzen 5000 CPUs are a 2020 release, they should also fall in the same category but it looks like AMD has stopped motherboard makers from doing so.

and it was

until 2020 not thru 2020
that stopped January 1st 2020

[Nagorak]

and it was

until 2020 not thru 2020
that stopped January 1st 2020

I don't feel like what they promised is really the issue. If the boards are physically capable of supporting the CPU, which they are, then it's a crappy move to not allow the motherboard makers to support them.

I also think it does hurt their sales since the barrier to upgrading is higher. Granted, right now it doesn't matter since they're selling as many CPUs as they can make, but in general it provides a competitive advantage if you can upgrade without getting a new board.

[badsykes]

https://wccftech.com/amd-warns-mothe...t-on-am4-x370/



Damnit...

Well .. thanks for posting this.
At least it's clear now that this road with X370 / B350 is closed for upgrading to 5000 series.

[pax]

and it was

until 2020 not thru 2020
that stopped January 1st 2020

As a casual gamer I can justify upgrading from a 1700x to a 5800x if its cpu alone which boggles my mind here. AMD would gain sales. It probably doesnt gain much selling mobo components. Telling us suporting till end of 2019 or 3 generations would have been more honest than saying 2020.

But not upgrading this round means I might upgrade first gen am5... tho I feel burned by grabbing first gen am4 so and really wanted to wait for 2nd gen am5 to clear out bugs and maybe grab a couple more features like really high speed ddr5 and PCIE6...

I still feel that makes more sense even if I have to keep the 1700x till then.

[pax]

I don't feel like what they promised is really the issue. If the boards are physically capable of supporting the CPU, which they are, then it's a crappy move to not allow the motherboard makers to support them.

I also think it does hurt their sales since the barrier to upgrading is higher. Granted, right now it doesn't matter since they're selling as many CPUs as they can make, but in general it provides a competitive advantage if you can upgrade without getting a new board.

Im seeing the 5800x at msrp consistently now even slightly on sale sometimes... so cpu supply seems to being fine now unlike gpus. Id grab one stat if I had the bios.

[DeathKnight]

I just got a 5800X from Newegg (US) the other day. They had a coupon for $15 off. It's still in stock and there's a $10 off promo code currently.

[bill dennison]

As a casual gamer I can justify upgrading from a 1700x to a 5800x if its cpu alone which boggles my mind here. AMD would gain sales. It probably doesnt gain much selling mobo components. Telling us suporting till end of 2019 or 3 generations would have been more honest than saying 2020.

But not upgrading this round means I might upgrade first gen am5... tho I feel burned by grabbing first gen am4 so and really wanted to wait for 2nd gen am5 to clear out bugs and maybe grab a couple more features like really high speed ddr5 and PCIE6...

I still feel that makes more sense even if I have to keep the 1700x till then.

i don't think i ever upgraded a CPU on Intel without a new MB in 30 years

i have a x570 motherboard and a 3800x and was going to get a 5900x but i will wait till AM5 and buy a new MB for it as getting a 5900x now is nuts

i can get a 5800x but it isn't that big a deal over the 3800x at 4k

if i were you i would grab a 3800x new or used and wait for AM5 if you need a upgrade

[Nagorak]

As a casual gamer I can justify upgrading from a 1700x to a 5800x if its cpu alone which boggles my mind here. AMD would gain sales. It probably doesnt gain much selling mobo components. Telling us suporting till end of 2019 or 3 generations would have been more honest than saying 2020.

But not upgrading this round means I might upgrade first gen am5... tho I feel burned by grabbing first gen am4 so and really wanted to wait for 2nd gen am5 to clear out bugs and maybe grab a couple more features like really high speed ddr5 and PCIE6...

I still feel that makes more sense even if I have to keep the 1700x till then.

Pax, I have read that it's possible to crossflash the Gigabyte X370 boards with a bios from the X470 boards. You may want to look into that if you really want to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 series. In theory with the dual bios on the boards, it should be safe to try and then simply revert to the secondary bios if it doesn't work out. Just be sure to set the jumpers on the bottom of the board so that they are set to manually select the BIOS chip, rather than letting it do it automatically (that way you always know which bios chip is being flashed, and it's also less of a hassle to switch between then manually rather then letting it fail over).

I still have a Gigabyte X370 around here which I would try it on, except that the second bios chip went bad, so I don't actually have a backup bios anymore. It happened while still under warranty, but I didn't feel like it was worth the hassle ripping the entire system apart and paying $12 shipping to RMA it when the other chip was still working. Kind of regret it now. Oh well.

[pax]

I read a bit about that but the latest bioses have chipset detection worked in by amd. So Id have to use an older bios without the fixes... I guess amd is really worried that too many people might bork and rma their cpus on the old x370 boards for them to go that far because they arent making much money on mobo sales AFAICT. Might be something we dont know...

Some guys usign asrock def did get their bioses for the x300 line and it seems fine but GB would be a crapshoot. GB forums are pretty quiet about it.

Looking for a job next fall as Im retiring from the current one this summer as Im grabbing the pension out of it. Once Im settled from that transition Ill know what kind of tech budget Ill have. While its currenlty not worth buying mobo to run new cpu and then get a pricey gpu I might not care this fall and just go for it as Ill have both a pension and hopefully job income coming in so be much better off.

Its all about disposable income...