Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[Nunz]

Depends what kind of WHEA error it is. The most stable system on the planet will still log some sort of WHEA error, but some of them are directly related to unstable overclocks. Are you using HWInfo to track the WHEA errors? If so, then those are the critical ones that are symptoms of instability.

They can be related to CPU or memory instability, though.

[caveman-jim]

If you get WHEA errors at stock, look for a bios update. What OCing are you doing?

[Riptide]

It's definite instability because the machine crashes and the shell re-loads. I'm seeing the evidence in event viewer.

Little disappointed that this issue is cropping up, especially with the release BIOS from october loaded. Unlikely to be the CPU, but possible. I would tend to blame the motherboard first.

I installed the new modules tonight and I noticed there is a new release BIOS that came out yesterday. I'll load that this weekend and test, starting with keeping it clocked to 3200mhz for now, then move up from there.

[pax]

Because I got a good deal and did not expect this kind of delay. Technically I sold it after buying all the components. Everything arrived as expected with only this anomaly. My wait would’ve been at most 3-4 days without PC.

NY eh?

https://www.trucknews.com/transportation/mob-rules-italian-mafia-leading-source-of-cargo-theft/1003109477/

Todd Moore was playing hockey in Hamilton, Ont., when some guys came forward with 10 cases of Moosehead beer that had “fallen off a truck”. He knew exactly where it had come from, though. Everyone knew. The theft of two loads of beer in New Brunswick had been all over the news, complete with jokes about Moose being on the loose.

It was no joke to the career police officer, now president of Canadian Armed Robbery Training Associates.

All too many people turn a blind eye to the cost of cargo thefts, he said during a presentation to the Private Motor Truck Council of Canada. Contractors might see a cheap load of lumber as a way to cut costs, just like a chef who’s offered a deal on a load of beef that’s too good to be true. “People don’t see the significance. They say it’s ‘insurance’,” he admitted. “But everybody is paying.”

The Greater Toronto Area now has the highest rate of cargo theft in Canada, rivaling major U.S. centers. Research by the Canadian Trucking Alliance and insurers suggests the crime across Canada costs about $5 billion a year.

Replace beers in that story with something slightly more valuable and Toronto with NY cuz they have lots more mafia in NY.

So.... yea.

[KAC]

Picked up a 5600X. Couldn’t take the wait any more. lol.

[Nascar24]

Hmmm, just changed to my latest ASRock BIOS and the temp changed significantly for Idle, use to Idle at about 51C now it Idles at 61C but the top end doesn't seem to be any higher. Need to throw a game on and see. Has the new PBO2 in it. Just thought it was odd it idles so much higher all of a sudden.

[Megaman]

Power management issues? 61 C idle sounds very odd. That's load temps during winter for my 8700k

[Nascar24]

So after the BIOS upgrade it appears that the EPIC launcher keeps a couple of cores active raising the temps, This BIOS definitely acts different, with more spikes then the previous ones. Close down EPIC and it settles closer to what it was before the BIOS upgrade.

[Mangler]

Sounds like the issues that the Rx3XXX series suffered from at launch where a bunch of random apps broke the power management features.

[Nunz]

Dude.. even 50c idle temps are atrocious lol.

[NWR_Midnight]

So after the BIOS upgrade it appears that the EPIC launcher keeps a couple of cores active raising the temps, This BIOS definitely acts different, with more spikes then the previous ones. Close down EPIC and it settles closer to what it was before the BIOS upgrade.

check your power settings in windows. change your minimum processor state to 20%, specially if you have it set to the Ryzen High performance, as it tends to set it to 99 or 100. However not sure why a bios update would change this, but who knows since windows and the UEFI bios work hand in hand now days.


Also, some monitoring and cooling software causes it as well.

edit: my brain didn't even comprehend the EPIC launcher in you response.. Until I went and read it again after my post. That's what I get for jumping in here before I finish my first cup of coffee.

[Nascar24]

Dude.. even 50c idle temps are atrocious lol.

That's perfectly normal for Zen 3.

[acroig]

So after the BIOS upgrade it appears that the EPIC launcher keeps a couple of cores active raising the temps, This BIOS definitely acts different, with more spikes then the previous ones. Close down EPIC and it settles closer to what it was before the BIOS upgrade.

That's just weird.

[Meteor_of_War]

That's perfectly normal for Zen 3.

Really? Maybe with the stock cooler. Or maybe there's some processes running in the background that are spiking temps a little. Or, maybe your ambient temps are higher than mine.

I usually see between 30C - 42C idle. I am in my cool basement though, ambient temp is usually 65F down here. Either way, as long as your temps under load are good and not throttling that's what is important.

One thing though that was unsettling to me when I first switched to Ryzen was how temps and voltages bounce around so much. Back when using Intel temps were always very stable and hardly moved unless I put a heavy load on it. But Ryzen naturally spikes a lot. Or, monitoring programs have trouble accurately reporting data.

[NWR_Midnight]

Some motherboards set the core voltage to high when set to auto. You may want to check into that for your motherboard. Even .1 volts can raise the temperature substantially.

[Nascar24]

I've checked, Zen 3 runs hot, I posted an article about it somewhere in this thread which absolutely no one payed attention too, checked what others are at on idle as well, I also have way to many tray apps running but that probably only accounts for 5c if that. Its the sudden jump with the EPIC launcher after the latest BIOS is what drew my attention. It wasn't doing that on the BIOS before. Although this is the first BIOS that I noticed that has the new PBO2 in it and I notice it acting differently compared to the others. Not bothered at all by the 51c Idle based on what I have read and seen about Zen 3.

[Nascar24]

Really? Maybe with the stock cooler. Or maybe there's some processes running in the background that are spiking temps a little. Or, maybe your ambient temps are higher than mine.

I usually see between 30C - 42C idle. I am in my cool basement though, ambient temp is usually 65F down here. Either way, as long as your temps under load are good and not throttling that's what is important.

One thing though that was unsettling to me when I first switched to Ryzen was how temps and voltages bounce around so much. Back when using Intel temps were always very stable and hardly moved unless I put a heavy load on it. But Ryzen naturally spikes a lot. Or, monitoring programs have trouble accurately reporting data.

Your on Zen 2 though, Zen 3 runs hot. There is an article I posted in this thread probably pages and pages back now.

[Meteor_of_War]

Your on Zen 2 though, Zen 3 runs hot. There is an article I posted in this thread probably pages and pages back now.

You know what, it totally did not dawn on me that you are on Zen 3 now lol. I thought you still had the same proc as me.

[Mangler]

Swapped my 3900 with dat 5900, couldn't get it to boost higher than 4.2ghz in cinebench, temps where below 60C.

Enabled PBO, bam 4.4xghz, my score was inline with the reviews.

Did amd change how the boost clocks behaves with ryzen 5000, or is it just my board that is weird?

With the 3900 pbo on or off didn't really matter, it went as high as it could automagically.

I guess it could be explained by gigabyte not really following the TDP on the 3xxx series and for some reason obeying it on a 5xxx series cpu.

[KAC]

What are you idle and load temps? Cinebench R20 score? Also can you run Real Bench and post a score. What is max boost you are seeing with PBO? Volts? Thanks.

[Mangler]

Idle, 30-something C with spikes when one core decides to boost to 4.9ghz.

Load, 75-79c when running the realbench stress test for a couple of hours.

My all core clock seems to be 4.375ghz during tasks like running the realbench stress test for 4-ish hours, 4.4xghz during shorter tasks.

R20 score, 8655 and 629.

Image Editing: 221159
Time: 24.0912

Encoding: 355026
Time: 15.0073

OpenCL: 471705
KSamples/sec: 86810

Heavy Multitasking: 325396
Time: 23.4544


System Score: 343321

All of this is just with PBO on and my not so great memory using their xmp profile@3600mhz, no real memory tuning.


Oh, and the voltage can be anywhere from 1.44 to 1.49x during loads, seems to depend on what it is doing.

[KAC]

Thanks. Fresh windows?
Your scores are consistently higher than mine. Are you running water cooling or AIO?

Here is my real bench:

Image Editing
210,888
Time:25.2645

Encoding
359,782
Time:14.8089

OpenCL
420,537
KSamples/sec: 77401

Heavy Multitasking
308,700
Time:24.723

System Score
324,976

Your 3090 might be helping the score. Also scored 610 in SC CR20 and 8523 in MC CR20.

[Nagorak]

I've checked, Zen 3 runs hot, I posted an article about it somewhere in this thread which absolutely no one payed attention too, checked what others are at on idle as well, I also have way to many tray apps running but that probably only accounts for 5c if that. Its the sudden jump with the EPIC launcher after the latest BIOS is what drew my attention. It wasn't doing that on the BIOS before. Although this is the first BIOS that I noticed that has the new PBO2 in it and I notice it acting differently compared to the others. Not bothered at all by the 51c Idle based on what I have read and seen about Zen 3.

Zen 2 had a problem about the cores being too aggressive to clock up for very minor load, and it sounds to me like it is still the case for Zen 3.

Assuming that is the issue, one thing you can do is change to Power Saver power plan, which makes it so the CPU is less aggressive about clocking up, and then you can swap back to balanced when you actually need more performance. If you use Power Plan Switcher, it's easy to change when needed.

At least for me, the vast majority of time I am using my computer, I simply don't need performance (browsing the web, watching videos, office work, e-mail, etc.), so that was my solution.

Also having an Intel system, I will say that Intel does seem to offer better idle power management than AMD does, despite having poorer efficiency under load.

[KAC]

Intel seems to offer everything better (software, heat, power plan, voltage, auto boost algorithm etc.) than AMD except for these recent hardware wins with MC processing (3000 and 5000 series) and single core processing on 5000 series.

[badsykes]

Intel seems to offer everything better (software, heat, power plan, voltage, auto boost algorithm etc.) than AMD except for these recent hardware wins with MC processing (3000 and 5000 series) and single core processing on 5000 series.

Intel skylake 14++ node is old and matured.RKL looks to me the limit physically of the 14nm.They had to cut 2 cores to get better performance and still keep the tdp.Ryzen is 3 years old only even if there are a couple of generations out..They are still learning and polishing even for 5000 series.

Enjoy your rig !

[demo]

Intel skylake 14++ node is old and matured.RKL looks to me the limit physically of the 14nm.They had to cut 2 cores to get better performance and still keep the tdp.Ryzen is 3 years old only even if there are a couple of generations out..They are still learning and polishing even for 5000 series.

Enjoy your rig !

RKL leaked benchmarks and specs today. 5.3GHz and approx 10% faster than 5950x in ashes

[KAC]

Was great while it lasted. Not falling for these stupid benches again. Fool me twice and all that.

[demo]

Sure, you say that now...

[KAC]

Sure, you say that now...

You know, you are a pain!

[acroig]

You know, you are a pain!

We know you too well bud. Next bonus you get I see a new Intel chip in your rig.

[KAC]

We know you too well bud. Next bonus you get I see a new Intel chip in your rig.

Hey I survived 9000 and 10000 series so give me some credit.

[acroig]

Hey I survived 9000 and 10000 series so give me some credit.

Ok, second bonus check then.

[pax]

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1339921701241536513

Resizable BAR on AMD Rzen 2700X with RX 6800 graphics card.

4G Decoding + Re-Size BAR support off vs. 4G Decoding + Re-Size BAR support auto.

~14.6% difference in performance

Not bad! Now give us some 5000 luvin on x370 and lets do some SAM fun there too.

[KAC]

Will they launch a 5900XT or some such?

[pax]

Zen 3+ rumor:

https://twitter.com/davideneco25320/status/1340736533637296129

Van gogh death rumor come from the chinese guy zoo

And warhol 5.5 Ghz = 760+ on CPUZ

Not bad... Looks like RKL comeback wont last that long.

I just hope its still on am4.

[Gandalfthewhite]

AM4 is dead it needs to die please just let it die. They supported it for 4 years and 4 cpus generations it was a great run but let us please move on.

DDR5 + PCIe5 + USB4.0 are coming and AM4 does not have the pincount to handle the bandwidth of them.

[Nunz]

Sounds like AM5 will be late

[pax]

AM4 is dead it needs to die please just let it die. They supported it for 4 years and 4 cpus generations it was a great run but let us please move on.

DDR5 + PCIe5 + USB4.0 are coming and AM4 does not have the pincount to handle the bandwidth of them.

I just hope this extension might help with one cpu upgrade past ryzen 3k for my x370. But yeah the next full rig is am5 for me as well.

[badsykes]

AM4 is dead it needs to die please just let it die. They supported it for 4 years and 4 cpus generations it was a great run but let us please move on.

DDR5 + PCIe5 + USB4.0 are coming and AM4 does not have the pincount to handle the bandwidth of them.

Let the beta testing begin again ... year 2017 revisitted ...

[MangaSpawn64]

Jesus Christ ! Local shop received ONE 5600 since they launched... I ordered my comp early so I could get it before the Christmas holiday. Looks like I'm **** out of luck Salesman said he doesn't expect them to drop for a long while

First world problem !!!